Using "Gay" as Humor/Sarcasm -- Am I just too sensitive or should I be offended (especially in athletics)?

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    Apr 30, 2010 11:49 AM GMT
    So I was browsing my tumblr, and checked out this post by Gorilla Pit Strength Sports. I followed them for shits n giggles, but I was slightly urked by their first item on that list.
    Taken from "Why we squat and why you should too!"Here are all the reasons you need to get under the bar.
    1. If you don't squat, clearly you're gay
    2. Chicks dig big squatters
    3. The bigger your squat, the bigger your penis
    4. Squatting can cure cancer
    5. Your legs won’t look so pathetic anymore
    6. Raw squatting is the true test of strength
    7. Squatting makes you stronger in all other lifts
    8. The more you squat, the more beer you can drink
    9. Your performance on the squat equates to your performance in the sac
    10. Big squats clear out all the posers
    Now, I'm gay and I enjoy squatting and deadlifting. Actually, leg day is my favorite day. Back day comes in a close second. I completely loathe chest day, unlike most guys.

    Anyhow, I digress.

    At this point I'm learning to be more conscious of things that hurt & offend me, understanding & conveying those feelings, and working through them. I knew that they possessed a gritty sense of humor when I followed their tumblr. However -- friend or stranger, joke or not -- it's insulting to be considered weak and incompetent by default. There's always this general assumption that gay guys live on treadmills and fear anything heavier than 10 lbs (and I know plenty a gay that validate that belief). Essentially, if you're gay, then you're weak. It's as if it's always an uphill battle with general society, especially in athletics.

    Am I overreacting -- being too uptight, rigid, and sensitive by being offended when people use gay as a replacement term for something weak, negative or undesirable? Should I just take it in stride; not take it so personally; not let it get to me? OR Is my response understandable and reasonable?
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    Apr 30, 2010 12:24 PM GMT
    it's the whole idea that if your gay, your not masculine, if your gay, your a pansy, a sissy, you aren't a man...

    Yes, you should be offended, but, who cares, let them have there little stupid ideas, I can deadlift more then most guys in the gym I'm currently going to, squating is rarely done and the other person who matches my dead lift is a freakin women, How's that for teaching the boys hehehe..

    I am the same, I love leg days, squats, lunges, dead lifts, calf raises, skipping, what ever.

    Although it's funny when I start doing cleans with little weights and everyone starts watching me and lookin impressed hehehe and it's only 60 kilos and all the little gym junkies with massive upper bodies that rival my own and little legs the size of kiddies ankles..

    Screw'em, go in there, have a blast, come out feeling completely done, go home, feel awesome icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 30, 2010 12:32 PM GMT
    When someone uses 'gay' as a insult in that way, I usually will politely challenge them and ask "In what way is that gay?" It usually confuses them until they realize what they have said is offensive.
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    Apr 30, 2010 12:40 PM GMT
    SineOfChange said
    Here are all the reasons you need to get under the bar.

    1. If you don't squat, clearly you're gay


    this is just kind of a cheap shot, IMHO. there are times i call something "gay" as meaning "over the top," or "waaaaaay too much," and i don't usually mean it in a flattering way. it isn't anything personal, it's like an adjective that has found its way into general use that takes the place of flamboyant, but with a slight spin on it.

    for instance, i'm a big nebraska football fan. i have a husker wallet, hat, shirt, hoodie, and license plate thingy. there are times, when the planets align, and i have on a lot of that stuff...you know, just throwing on whatever is closest...and when i realize that i have a wallet, a shirt, a hoodie, a cap, and things on my car all at once, i say, "OMG, that's so gay!" (which is kind of gay in and of itself).

    i'm okay with that. but the quote from the OP is different. it seems personal. for instance, somehow it would be different to me if there was a WAY to do squats that was gay. like in p90X when you stand on a wall and lift a leg up in the air, then switch every ten seconds. hard as hell, but just a little "gay."

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    Apr 30, 2010 12:44 PM GMT
    My blood pressure always goes up a little when I see/hear the word "gay" used in general to equal something negative. even people who aren't particularly homophobic use expressions like "that's so gay" or "he's such a fag", because it's become common language and a reflex (unfortunately). I always call friends or aquaintances out on it if they accidetally slip up now and then, like saying "Hey! fag present here!". usually they're sorry and embarassed, which they should be.

    also confronting people w. "you make it sound like gay is a bad thing? why is that?" can often shut them up.
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    Apr 30, 2010 12:51 PM GMT
    judoguy saidMy blood pressure always goes up a little when I see/hear the word "gay" used in general to equal something negative. even people who aren't particularly homophobic use expressions like "that's so gay" or "he's such a fag", because it's become common language and a reflex (unfortunately). I always call friends or aquaintances out on it if they accidetally slip up now and then, like saying "Hey! fag present here!". usually they're sorry and embarassed, which they should be.

    also confronting people w. "you make it sound like gay is a bad thing? why is that?" can often shut them up.


    "that's so gay" is, to me, different than "he's such a fag." some thing can embody the stereotype of over the top queen-ness, but calling a person a "fag" generally is meant as a slam. i think it is a good thing to laugh at ourselves a little, to not take it all that seriously. queen's "killer queen" is a good example of presenting the idea of gay-ness tongue in cheek. now just imagine THINGS or SITUATIONS being that same way...

    until, of course, the queer calls himself a fag...

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    Apr 30, 2010 12:56 PM GMT
    I don't really understand why people are sensitive about 'gay' being used in this sort of jokey way. My mates sometimes refer to things as 'gay' when using it in a semi or weakly negative sense. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. I use it too. They all know and are totally supportive about me being gay and I would have a much bigger problem if they thought they had to change who they are, how they behave or the jokes they make because I'm around. None of them have a problem with gay guys - they say it as a joke. They slag me off about it and I give it back to them as good as I get it. I think there are few stronger signs of acceptance than if people can make a joke about it.
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    Apr 30, 2010 1:14 PM GMT
    my friends can make the most horrible gay jokes around me or make fun of me as much as they want, I don't mind that.

    I just hate the fact that somehow it became ok to use gay as a general term for everything negative, and that we accept this.
    most people who say "that's so gay" or "you're so gay" usually don't say it as a joke they use it as a general derogatory adjective. I just don't see the humour in that.

    it's only funny when it's done on purpose in a joking way around people you know are gay, but for the most part people don't say it in that context, and they don't care and give conscious thought to what it actually means.

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    Apr 30, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidWhen someone uses 'gay' as a insult in that way, I usually will politely challenge them and ask "In what way is that gay?" It usually confuses them until they realize what they have said is offensive.
    I've started asking them "what makes gay so bad?"
    That tends to shut them up, too. icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 30, 2010 1:59 PM GMT
    scotsguy saidI don't really understand why people are sensitive about 'gay' being used in this sort of jokey way. My mates sometimes refer to things as 'gay' when using it in a semi or weakly negative sense. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. I use it too. They all know and are totally supportive about me being gay and I would have a much bigger problem if they thought they had to change who they are, how they behave or the jokes they make because I'm around. None of them have a problem with gay guys - they say it as a joke. They slag me off about it and I give it back to them as good as I get it. I think there are few stronger signs of acceptance than if people can make a joke about it.


    You and your friends have a shtick going. That is good for you guys.

    If I saw a random black guy working in a restaurant and said "you must be the house nigger" I would rightfully get punched in the face. If I had a shtick with a friend and said that to him, he might laugh and say back "and you must be the cum soaked fag whore". We would all laugh at our little inside joke and it would be great. But we are friends, and I am not friends with Gorilla Pit.

    Generally, calling strangers gay or niggers of kikes makes you an ignorant asshole. And like a fag, I am going to fist ignorant assholes.
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    Apr 30, 2010 2:06 PM GMT
    actually squatting gives you a great ass and legs, key attributes for gays

    This guy certainly squats.... so hetro looking.

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    Apr 30, 2010 2:38 PM GMT
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    Apr 30, 2010 2:39 PM GMT
    I have all the bitches icon_smile.gif

    http://jackoffmaterial2.blogspot.com/2009/11/they-must-do-lot-of-squats.html?zx=fc05cba6fd2cdf64

    The prize may go to this guy

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    Apr 30, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidI have all the bitches icon_smile.gif

    http://jackoffmaterial2.blogspot.com/2009/11/they-must-do-lot-of-squats.html?zx=fc05cba6fd2cdf64

    The prize may go to this guy

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    hmm... i'm tempted to unlock for you and show you my jockstrap ass pic and see how you think it compares...
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    hmm... i'm tempted to unlock for you and show you my jockstrap ass pic and see how you think it compares...


    It would be a public service. icon_wink.gif
  • JayDT

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    Apr 30, 2010 4:44 PM GMT
    Look it takes a real man to take a nine inch cock up the ass and like it, we all know that. It's word just like any other word. I'm not offended. Hell one of my favourite words is Fag. I use it all the time. It's just a word. Take the meaning away from it, you take the power away from it.
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    calibro saidhmm... i'm tempted to unlock for you and show you my jockstrap ass pic and see how you think it compares...


    Well, there is no way I am going to be productive today at all now.
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    Apr 30, 2010 7:18 PM GMT
    Pardon me for getting a little academic... but....


    Homosocial environments (such as fraternities, military, sports teams) rely on competition. According to Eve Sedgwick, competition in all aspects for higher degrees of percieved masculinity is the primary factor in male bonding in these groups. Degrading others by feminizing (or labeling them as homosexual, which is seen as the same thing) them is an example of this.

    Really it's an attempt to furthur the bonding between males by producing an "other" (gay) that they can be superior to.

    Offensive? Yes. Natural? Yes.

    It sucks... but it's hard to escape without rationalizing the meaning of it to each person involved.
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    Apr 30, 2010 8:02 PM GMT
    mcwclewis said
    It sucks... but it's hard to escape without rationalizing the meaning of it to each person involved.


    or until a drag queen kicks the sh!t out of them.

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    Apr 30, 2010 8:07 PM GMT
    SineOfChange saidSo I was browsing my tumblr, and checked out this post by Gorilla Pit Strength Sports. I followed them for shits n giggles, but I was slightly urked by their first item on that list.Taken from "Why we squat and why you should too!"Here are all the reasons you need to get under the bar.
    1. If you don't squat, clearly you're gay

    Funny, I think my guy squats on my cock in a most gay way! ... icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 30, 2010 8:08 PM GMT
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    or until a drag queen kicks the sh!t out of them.

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    Foolish all who mess with a drag queen's gloriously strengthened and toned legs.
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    Apr 30, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
    I may be missing a point here but I believe they got something wrong. Clearly no one loves squats more than gay men.

    I think they just worded it wrong.
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    Apr 30, 2010 10:21 PM GMT
    SineOfChange said
    Taken from "Why we squat and why you should too!"Here are all the reasons you need to get under the bar.
    1. If you don't squat, clearly you're gay
    2. Chicks dig big squatters
    3. The bigger your squat, the bigger your penis
    4. Squatting can cure cancer
    5. Your legs won’t look so pathetic anymore
    6. Raw squatting is the true test of strength
    7. Squatting makes you stronger in all other lifts
    8. The more you squat, the more beer you can drink
    9. Your performance on the squat equates to your performance in the sac
    10. Big squats clear out all the posers

    well now that there is more context from your last update to your post, I would have just laughed, squatting can cure cancer? the more you squat the more beer you can drink?

    Although I do like "Your legs won't look so pathetic anymore" that is sooooo true, although you really need to do deadlifts too *nods*
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    Apr 30, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidit's the whole idea that if your gay, your not masculine, if your gay, your a pansy, a sissy, you aren't a man...

    Yes, you should be offended, but, who cares, let them have there little stupid ideas, I can deadlift more then most guys in the gym I'm currently going to, squating is rarely done and the other person who matches my dead lift is a freakin women, How's that for teaching the boys hehehe..

    I am the same, I love leg days, squats, lunges, dead lifts, calf raises, skipping, what ever.

    Although it's funny when I start doing cleans with little weights and everyone starts watching me and lookin impressed hehehe and it's only 60 kilos and all the little gym junkies with massive upper bodies that rival my own and little legs the size of kiddies ankles..

    Screw'em, go in there, have a blast, come out feeling completely done, go home, feel awesome icon_smile.gif


    Have you noy in the past bagged homosexuals for being masculine, and not being into fem guys? Did you not put them masculine guys down? Whats diffrent now they are still the same guys gay or straight!

    I being blessed with natural big calves and big legs in general that support my tight round arse too., even as a skinny little wed of a k,id I had big calves. But I still do me dead lifts for my lower back, and squats too. But I do mine for strength and not to gain size as I already have that.
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    Apr 30, 2010 11:04 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidwell now that there is more context from your last update to your post, I would have just laughed, squatting can cure cancer? the more you squat the more beer you can drink?

    Although I do like "Your legs won't look so pathetic anymore" that is sooooo true, although you really need to do deadlifts too *nods*

    Well... technically, I included a link to the actual post on tumblr. I assumed that anyone who wanted to see the full list would click on the link. Apparently not... lol. So I just decided to include the entire list instead. Maybe the context would help.