Each to his own. I am grossed out.

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    May 01, 2010 4:42 AM GMT
    http://nz.lifestyle.yahoo.com/new-idea/real-life/article/-/7124792/im-in-love-with-my-grandson-were-having-a-baby/
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    May 01, 2010 5:19 AM GMT
    Just hope they don't make a sex tape.
    Wait, actually that might be a goldmine for both of them. icon_lol.gif
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    May 01, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew.
    Ick. Ack. Ick.
    *death rattle*
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    May 01, 2010 5:33 AM GMT
    Wow that is disgusting. It would suck if that happened to you though. "You can't choose who you fall for".

    BTW is this a joke?
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    May 01, 2010 11:19 AM GMT
    Well, I'm not going to judge them but it does gross me out a bit. icon_eek.gif
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    May 01, 2010 11:30 AM GMT
    Unless I missed something, did this happen in US?
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    May 01, 2010 11:31 AM GMT
    Well I will judge them, assuming this is not just a bad joke. They are sick, incestuous freaks. They are either too stupid to live to too mental to be allowed outside an institution. Any baby they produce should be taken away from them. Sick fuckers.
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    May 01, 2010 11:50 AM GMT
    Although others and I may share very disturbing and uncomfortable feelings about Phil and Pearl's relationship, I am forced to play "devil's advocate" and ask the questions, "What is the harm to anyone?", and "Is their relationship and the soon to be born child a product of one or more criminal acts?

    Could not the same condemnation be leveled against homosexuals? Homosexuals are considered by many to commit abomination in the way we love.

    In Phil and Pearl's case...

    The child will not be the biological combination of genes from Pearl and Phil.

    Pearl and Phil did not know each other and did not have emotional familial bonds before meeting.

    There is a high potential for stigma for the family, but isn't stigma really just a sociological pathology which allows stigmatizers to feel superior so that the stigmatized fell inferior? Don't opponents of LGBT adoptions of children use a similar argument that the adopted children of LGBT parents may become stigmatized?

    When we begin to judge "right and wrong" based off of our traditional cultural norms and feelings, and not upon egalitarian application of law as supported by scientific evidence, we head down a slippery slope in the devaluation and degradation of our civil rights.

    I urge all to consider carefully the temptation to judge and cast out those who may actually be advocating for perhaps the very same rights for which we may be advocating.

    Arguing for what is right must be consistently applied even when what is "right" feels so very "wrong".

    Otherwise, we become just like the hypocrites whom we condemn.
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    May 01, 2010 12:02 PM GMT
    While I'd agree with some of what was said above and that it occurred to me
    initially, we aren't in their shoes.. the grandmother never knew her grandson growing up, she met him as an adult.

    While very dissimilar situations, imagine years ago a story about two men
    in love, getting married and how the inflexible public reacted when reading
    a similar story about that event.......

    We should be the first group to be tolerant.
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    May 01, 2010 12:03 PM GMT
    It still squicks me out, but this does put in it some perspective for me:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction
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    May 01, 2010 12:04 PM GMT
    The story that the OP posted prompted me to look up "genetic sexual attraction" by search engine and then Wikipedia. I'm just sitting with this new information and letting it marinade for a bit. I'm trying to figure out how to make sense of this at the moment.
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    May 01, 2010 12:07 PM GMT


    She's a selfish bitch. He's young and clearly in-need of love and direction. Disturbing that as a adult she has no respect for her dead daughter who is probably rolling over in her grave. Shame.
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    May 01, 2010 12:12 PM GMT
    I don't see what people are finding gross. There's no harm to anyone and there's no exploitation (they're both consenting adults who have no mental illness). Really guys, many of you need to grow up.
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    May 01, 2010 12:13 PM GMT
    it's a big wide world out there.
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    May 01, 2010 12:30 PM GMT
    Sparkycat saidWell I will judge them, assuming this is not just a bad joke. They are sick, incestuous freaks. They are either too stupid to live to too mental to be allowed outside an institution. Any baby they produce should be taken away from them. Sick fuckers.


    And, unfortunately, that's exactly type of thinking many conservatives use on us homos - that we're sick and belong in an institution. Perhaps these two are "mental," as you say, maybe even a little stupid, maybe a lot stupid, but I don't see how you could have ascertained any of that from this one little article.

    For the record, I'm thinking this one has to be a joke, I mean if it wasn't these two would have made CNN or Oprah by now. At the very least we would have seen some indignant fist banging on Fox News. That the story is probably fake doesn't much matter to me though. As gay men we are used to being judged quickly and unfairly. It always makes me shake my head when people who've been on the receiving end of cruel and ill-deserved flash judgments are so quick to switch places and become judger (not a word, I know.) I mean have your opinion, we're all entitled to an opinion, but try having a little humility too. Sick fuckers? Easy to throw hateful stuff like that around but remember this important point: calling people names, especially nasty ones, doesn't help us understand each other any better and it doesn't help fix what you see as a problem. Quite the contrary; it just heats up the dialogue and inspires others to judge and be nasty, particularly the opposing side. Really not productive, in other words. Perhaps more poignant than all that though, is that you've no doubt been judged a "sick fucker!" Again, have your opinion, but try to have some humility too. And if humility's too difficult, just a little common sense should have prevented you from making that particularly hateful flash judgment.
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    May 01, 2010 12:36 PM GMT
    it doesn't matter how you try and and spin this around its wrong in every way and disgusting. I WILL judge them lol. Im open minded, but this is beyond most issues. I feel really bad for the baby, when its old enough to understand who its parents are
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    May 01, 2010 12:39 PM GMT
    It's really shameful how many people have no rational justification for their opinions and are just running around emoting like bratty children... but hurting others while doing so, making them worse than the couple they're criticizing.
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    May 01, 2010 12:46 PM GMT
    Satyricon331 saidIt's really shameful how many people have no rational justification for their opinions and are just running around emoting like bratty children... but hurting others while doing so, making them worse than the couple they're criticizing.



    This is the kind of person Im talking about. Its fucked up PERIOD. You're shameful if you even consider trying to rationalise this situation. Besides its not just about a couple, theres a baby involved now who is now destined to have a less than normal life
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    May 01, 2010 12:51 PM GMT
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    This is the kind of person Im talking about. Its fucked up PERIOD. You're shameful if you even consider trying to rationalise this situation. Besides its not just about a couple, theres a baby involved now who is now destined to have a less than normal life


    this post could just as easily been made on a religious board somewhere making the case against gay adoption.

    i think satyr's point is well taken. hey, it's not right for you...so leave it at that. gay marriage isn't for everyone either, but we're not asking straight people to turn gay. and in turn, no one's asking you to marry your grandmum. the life of the child will be what it is and that child won't know any differently. if they love each other and provide a happy, healthy home, she will be able to weather the criticism. hey, having two gay dads isn't exactly accepted on the average playground these days...

    i would be less than honest if i said that i would never in a million years (billion, even) let my child consider marrying my mother...just for the record.

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    May 01, 2010 12:52 PM GMT
    :O



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    May 01, 2010 12:52 PM GMT
    naivenewbie said
    Satyricon331 saidIt's really shameful how many people have no rational justification for their opinions and are just running around emoting like bratty children... but hurting others while doing so, making them worse than the couple they're criticizing.



    This is the kind of person Im talking about. Its fucked up PERIOD. You're shameful if you even consider trying to rationalise this situation. Besides its not just about a couple, theres a baby involved now who is now destined to have a less than normal life


    Oh please. You're not even attempting to think rationally. I can pick an ethic out of a hat and conclude they're not doing anything immoral. You're spewing irrational histrionic vitriol like, Its fucked up PERIOD no need to think about it at all, man!!1! If the only standard by which I'm "shameful" is your warped, unintelligent, hateful, and frankly hypocritical emotions (you are gay, aren't you?), then I'm doing pretty well.
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    May 01, 2010 12:59 PM GMT
    how very neo-con of you. icon_biggrin.gif

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    May 01, 2010 1:03 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said

    We should be the first group to be tolerant.



    LMFAO...oh that is too much! After reading many, many posts (not from Hndsm, though!) on this website....that's really funny. icon_rolleyes.gif

    EDIT: BTW, I agree with HndsmK!!
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    May 01, 2010 1:04 PM GMT
    naivenewbie said
    Satyricon331 saidIt's really shameful how many people have no rational justification for their opinions and are just running around emoting like bratty children... but hurting others while doing so, making them worse than the couple they're criticizing.



    This is the kind of person Im talking about. Its fucked up PERIOD. You're shameful if you even consider trying to rationalise this situation. Besides its not just about a couple, theres a baby involved now who is now destined to have a less than normal life


    Yeah the poor baby. Gonna be judged and humiliated, right? By people like you!

    That's what's so disturbing about that argument; you're no just pointing out that this child might be stigmatized, you're practically guaranteeing it by starting the process of stigmatization.
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    May 01, 2010 1:10 PM GMT
    An interesting paper from Stanford University in PDF format titled "Should Consensual Incest Between Consanguine Adults
    Be Restricted?" by Clare Kasemset, Stanford University

    In addition to presentation of recent case law, arguments for and against restrictions are provided.

    http://www.stanford.edu/group/publicknowledge/cgi-bin/ojs/sts-journal/index.php?journal=intersect&page=article&op=download&path%5B%5D=137&path%5B%5D=35

    FULL DISCLOSURE: I have never had incest. I do not have any family members with whom I am sexually attracted. I do not personally know any one who has engaged in incest who has disclosed to me their involvement in this practice.