Where is God in an earthquake?

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    May 03, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
    In the Haiti earthquake on January 12th, over 220,000 people were killed and over 1 million people displaced. It measured 7.0 on the Richter scale. On February 27th an even more powerful earthquake devastated Chile – 8.8. “Where is God in an earthquake?” is a common question. Pat Robertson announced that the Haiti people brought it on themselves because of a voodoo pact with the devil. He is also quoted as saying, “God is even angrier at Chile.”

    Many don’t ask the question at all. And if asked where God is in an earthquake, they may point to the devastations as proof that there is no God or that he doesn’t care about us. Some Americans think we are virtually untouchable. We build our structures much stronger. Have we forgotten about 9/11? How about Katrina? That’s not so far down the path of history.

    Are these punishments from God? Is it God’s judgment or do we tend to think we are untouchable? Jesus has an answer. You can find it in Luke 13:1-5. Tragedies happened in Bible times too. Some Galileans were slaughtered by Pontius Pilate, the governor. Jesus assessed the damages, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?” Then Jesus pointed to another catastrophe. ”Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them – do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?” Then he gives his divine evaluation. “I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” A tragedy is God’s billboard announcing for us to fess up to our sins, and trust in the cross of Jesus Christ for forgiveness. Earthquakes are mentioned by Jesus as being a sign of the end (Matthew 24:7; Hebrews 12:26,27). Christians understand God’s message in earthquakes. They are to prepare his people for the final catastrophe that will end this world and usher in “the new heaven and the new earth” (2 Peter 3:10-13; Revelation 16:1icon_cool.gif.

    There is another truth that helps to answer the question. God is intimately involved in every life (Acts 17:26). He was involved in the personal lives of each earthquake victim and survivor. Those who died did so precisely when God determined it. Perhaps one man was in danger of losing his faith. Another woman may have died in faith as a witness to her living relatives. Someone else’s life was taken because he was determined to do evil. Those who were injured perhaps are thinking more seriously about life and death. Those who escaped have the opportunity to witness their faith in Jesus as Savior. Why some and not others? God alone knows. He has his reasons for each individual.

    Where is God in earthquakes? Through earthquakes he is shaping the faith of his people in preparation for Judgment Day. At the same time he is perfectly involved in every life among the casualties and survivors.

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    May 03, 2010 10:54 PM GMT
    you are missing the other 10 earthquakes, including the one in my city.
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    May 03, 2010 11:39 PM GMT
    There is no god.
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    May 04, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    viveutvivas saidThere is no god.

    Correct. There are earthquakes, which are a natural seismic occurrence. God is an imaginary human construct, which has no relationship to earthquakes.
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    May 04, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    The ineffable, transcendent, formless source of all forms is just as happy to manifest an earthquake or a holocaust as a beautiful sunrise or a fluffy kitten.
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    May 05, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI don't know why this forum is attracting a bunch of atheists. I suggest you guys create an Atheist column and leave the Spirituality one to those that don't want to come here simply to discredit.


    I believe there is some higher power. I don't understand it all. But on a scientific level, the earth is made up of tectonic plates which move. It's been going on since the beginning of time. Just because we decide to inhabit an area and it falls to the ground, taking with it so much life, doesn't mean there is no God. It's nature, and it's tragic and I'm very saddened that so many people have suffered horribly or died.

    Nature has been going about its business, with volcanic activity, earthquakes, tsunamis long before we were here....I think we as humans just happen to get in the way.

    It's natural for humans to think that we are the most important thing on this planet. It's actually very arrogant. Not many people realize that if we were not here that the Earth would still exist, but if the Earth wasn't here we'd have no place to call home and therefore could not exist.


    Think about it.


    Some good thoughts. The earth was here first before humans. The earth had to be created first for us to have a home. Although our home here was once perfect, it isn't any more. Ever since sin came into the world, all of creation and nature was affected by it, so that nothing functions perfectly anymore in our universe. All of the disruptions we see in nature are a result of the curse sin brought upon all of creation and nature. All of creation is out of sync and we see this every day. But creation and believers are waiting patiently for everything to be made new and perfect again in the new heaven and new earth, where sin will not exist ever again. After our present universe is destroyed, God will recreate a new heaven and a new earth for all believers to occupy where they will reign together with Christ for all eternity. There will be no earthquakes anymore, nor will there be any more mourning, crying, pain, or death because these things will only be a faint memory of our former life. The increasing movements of the earth are described by Jesus like contractions, which a pregnant woman experiences when she is about to give birth. The birth that will occur on the last day is not a new baby, but a new heaven and a new earth, which will be a perfect place of eternal joy for all believers in Christ to experience for all eternity.

    Matthew 24:4-28 (New International Reader's Version)

    4 Jesus answered, "Keep watch! Be careful that no one fools you. 5 Many will come in my name. They will claim, 'I am the Christ!' They will fool many people.

    6 "You will hear about wars. You will also hear people talking about future wars. Don't be alarmed. Those things must happen. But the end still isn't here. 7 Nation will fight against nation. Kingdom will fight against kingdom. People will go hungry. There will be earthquakes in many places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

    9 "Then people will hand you over to be treated badly and killed. All nations will hate you because of me. 10 At that time, many will turn away from their faith. They will hate each other. They will hand each other over to their enemies. 11 Many false prophets will appear. They will fool many people. 12 Because evil will grow, most people's love will grow cold. 13 But the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 This good news of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world. It will be a witness to all nations. Then the end will come.

    15 "The prophet Daniel spoke about 'the hated thing that destroys.'—(Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11) Someday you will see it standing in the holy place. The reader should understand this. 16 Then those who are in Judea should escape to the mountains. 17 No one on the roof should go down into his house to take anything out. 18 No one in the field should go back to get his coat. 19 How awful it will be in those days for pregnant women! How awful for nursing mothers! 20 Pray that you will not have to escape in winter or on the Sabbath day. 21 There will be terrible suffering in those days. It will be worse than any other from the beginning of the world until now. And there will never be anything like it again. 22 If the time had not been cut short, no one would live. But because of God's chosen people, it will be shortened.

    23 "At that time someone may say to you, 'Look! Here is the Christ!' Or, 'There he is!' Do not believe it. 24 False Christs and false prophets will appear. They will do great signs and miracles. They will try to fool God's chosen people if possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

    26 "So if anyone tells you, 'He is far out in the desert,' do not go out there. Or if anyone says, 'He is deep inside the house,' do not believe it. 27 Lightning that comes from the east can be seen in the west. It will be the same when the Son of Man comes. 28 The vultures will gather wherever there is a dead body.

    Romans 8:18-25 (New International Version)

    Future Glory
    18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that[a] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

    22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

    Revelation 21:1-8 (New International Version - UK)

    Revelation 21
    The New Jerusalem
    1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
    2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

    3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

    4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

    5 He who was seated on the throne said, I am making everything new! Then he said, Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.

    6 He said to me: It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.

    7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

    8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practise magic arts, the idolaters and all liars— their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death.



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    May 05, 2010 1:43 PM GMT
    barefootdude saidWhere is God in an earthquake?
    In his science lab. Duh!
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    May 05, 2010 2:46 PM GMT
    Well
    (1) according the bible, he caused it, and often did so to smite or harm sinful people who annoyed him by doing things he forbids. He´s kinda grouchy an vindictive (cf Amos 4:6-12),

    (2) more likely if s/he exists then s/he is on holiday somewhere else with better weather.

    (3) in reality, the god/des is in the same place in an earthquake as s/he is at other times: in your minds.
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    May 05, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
    "(1) according the bible, he caused it, and often did so to smite or harm sinful people who annoyed him by doing things he forbids. He´s kinda grouchy an vindictive (cf Amos 4:6-12),"

    No, Jesus says in the Bible this is not true. The Pharisees and the religious leaders thought that such disasters were punishments from God, but Jesus corrected them by telling them this is not true.

    Tragedies happened in Bible times too. Some Galileans were slaughtered by Pontius Pilate, the governor. Jesus assessed the damages, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?” Then Jesus pointed to another catastrophe. ”Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them – do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?” Then he gives his divine evaluation. “I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” A tragedy is God’s billboard announcing for us to fess up to our sins, and trust in the cross of Jesus Christ for forgiveness. Earthquakes are mentioned by Jesus as being a sign of the end (Matthew 24:7; Hebrews 12:26,27). Christians understand God’s message in earthquakes. They are to prepare his people for the final catastrophe that will end this world and usher in “the new heaven and the new earth” (2 Peter 3:10-13; Revelation 16:1.


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    May 05, 2010 4:14 PM GMT
    "No, Jesus says in the Bible this is not true."

    Your ability to misread texts is truly awe inspiring. The CLEAR implication of the LUke text is that the OT teaches that natural disasters ARE caused by god. Your "billboard" is a terribly vague concept. What you are saying is that god is going to destroy EVERYONE unless they telepathically tell a dead jew that they trust him.


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    May 05, 2010 4:29 PM GMT
    paradox saidThe ineffable, transcendent, formless source of all forms is just as happy to manifest an earthquake or a holocaust as a beautiful sunrise or a fluffy kitten.

    Fluffy kittens cause earthquakes? Who woulda thunk... icon_eek.gif
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    paradox saidThe ineffable, transcendent, formless source of all forms is just as happy to manifest an earthquake or a holocaust as a beautiful sunrise or a fluffy kitten.

    Fluffy kittens cause earthquakes? Who woulda thunk... icon_eek.gif


    I'm sorry, but you've got your theology all wrong. Get with the program, dude:

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    May 05, 2010 6:04 PM GMT
    Lostboy said"No, Jesus says in the Bible this is not true."

    Your ability to misread texts is truly awe inspiring. The CLEAR implication of the LUke text is that the OT teaches that natural disasters ARE caused by god. Your "billboard" is a terribly vague concept. What you are saying is that god is going to destroy EVERYONE unless they telepathically tell a dead jew that they trust him.




    No, Jesus directly says that people who suffer tragedies are not more evil or wicked than anybody else. He directly says that in clear plain words. Read it again. Without faith in him ALL are equally under the wrath of God and even believers do and will suffer many tragedies no different than anybody else. In the OT, Job's friends tried to claim that the reason Job was sick and suffering from so many tragedies, including the death of his entire family, was because he must have done something to really piss God off and God was punishing him. But God told Job's friends to shut up because they were assuming wrong things and that actually these tragedies that came to Job were caused by Satan, not him, in order to try and get Job to curse God. God ALLOWED Satan to test Job in order to STRENGTHEN Job's faith, which these tragedies did. Even though a skin disease was eating away at Job's flesh, Job confessed faith in the coming Savior of Jesus Christ and he knew and believed that his Savior would not remain dead and therefore neither would his body either remain dead.

    Job 19:25-27 (New International Version)

    25 I know that my Redeemer [a] lives,
    and that in the end he will stand upon the earth. [b]

    26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
    yet [c] in [d] my flesh I will see God;

    27 I myself will see him
    with my own eyes—I, and not another.
    How my heart yearns within me!

    When believers die in a tragedy, it's not really a tragedy at all for them, but a day of rejoicing and victory because their soul is safe and sound in heaven with God for all eternity and no longer can Satan tempt them or harm them in any way. They are safe for all eternity in the almighty and loving arms of Jesus. And on the last day Jesus will stand upon the earth just as he promised he will and as Job confessed and believed and the decayed body of Job and ALL PEOPLE from Adam to the last person who dies will be raised and will see Jesus with their very own eyes. At that time EVERY knee will bow before him.

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    May 05, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    Check out this link:

    http://www.foundationsforfreedom.net/References/NT/Pauline/Romans/Romans08/Romans08_28-30_All-things.html

    It is really a great link and helps show how God is intimately involved in every detail of our lives and that NOTHING happens apart from his will and EVERYTHING that happens in our lives, even the most horrible and worst tragedy you can imagine here in earth, is allowed to happen to strengthen our faith and for our ultimate and eternal good.
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    May 05, 2010 7:01 PM GMT
    Let me get this clear: instead of just killing some people with earthquakes, God is going to kill everyone who does not telepathically tell a dead Jewish guy that they trust him. Sounds great.

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    May 05, 2010 7:58 PM GMT
    barefootdude saidCheck out this link:

    http://www.foundationsforfreedom.net/References/NT/Pauline/Romans/Romans08/Romans08_28-30_All-things.html


    And this one too:

    http://www.foundationsforfreedom.net/References/NT/Pauline/1Corinthians/1Corinthians_06.12-20.html
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    May 06, 2010 9:14 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidLet me get this clear: instead of just killing some people with earthquakes, God is going to kill everyone who does not telepathically tell a dead Jewish guy that they trust him. Sounds great.

    jesus+loves+you+but+i+think+you+are+a+cu




    "The soul who sins is the one who will die," God says. But the Bible says that Jesus kept the law perfectly in our place and also suffered death and the wrath of God in our place. And the Bible says that because of God's mercy and grace (undeserved love) God credits what Jesus did to every single human being without exception as a free pardon (gift) of his love.
    "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Cor. 5:21) This is called the "Great Exchange." God took our sins and gave them to Jesus, and Jesus' righteousness (holiness, perfection) was given to us. That is "Amazing Grace."

    But, if anyone refuses to accept his grace and forgiveness which Jesus earned for all, then without that forgiveness, they will have to pay for the guilt of their sins themselves. If God is going to remain just and true to his Word, sin must be paid. And so God says in the Bible if anyone does not want to accept Jesus' death as payment for their sins, then they will have to pay for their sins themselves. That's the only other option left. God can't force anyone to accept his love, grace, and forgiveness against their will. The Bible says everyone has been forgiven without exception for their sins. But if in unrepentance and unbelief, they don't want his grace and forgiveness, what can he do? He can't force anyone to accept his love and forgiveness.
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    May 06, 2010 9:38 PM GMT
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    Red_Vespa said
    paradox saidThe ineffable, transcendent, formless source of all forms is just as happy to manifest an earthquake or a holocaust as a beautiful sunrise or a fluffy kitten.

    Fluffy kittens cause earthquakes? Who woulda thunk... icon_eek.gif


    I'm sorry, but you've got your theology all wrong. Get with the program, dude:

    God-kills-kitten.jpg


    The theology comes directly from God in the Bible as I have quoted, but many people refuse to believe it and are not even sorry for their sins, but want to keep doing whatever they please. This is because they don't even believe there is such a thing as sin because they don't believe there is a God. They don't believe there is a God to whom they are accountable to for their sins . They want to be free from all authority, so they can live any way they want, whether it is against what God wants or not or whether it hurts other people or not.
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    May 07, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    Paradox, AMEN, Brother

    Barefood dude, what causes you to believe what others tell you some father figure, imaginary friend says/does/controls?
    Seriously, you are trying to use scripture in a book written long ago by people with a strong personal agenda to hold onto wealth and control for themselves to "prove" your points?

    If you want to convince others please use logic or proven facts to back up your statements. The bible does not prove anything
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    May 07, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    TallGWMvballer saidParadox, AMEN, Brother

    Barefood dude, what causes you to believe what others tell you some father figure, imaginary friend says/does/controls?
    Seriously, you are trying to use scripture in a book written long ago by people with a strong personal agenda to hold onto wealth and control for themselves to "prove" your points?

    If you want to convince others please use logic or proven facts to back up your statements. The bible does not prove anything


    I disagree with you. I have read and studied the entire text of the Bible very carefully in the original langages of Hebrew and Greek and I discovered that these writings are very credible. The theory of fradulent manuscripts can not possibly be true. This theory requires much more faith than faith in the Scriptures. The Dead Sea Scrolls are on exhibit at the Milwaukee Public Museum and they also have actual artificats that are dated by archeologists to the time of Jesus and also from the time of Isaiah, about 700 years before the birth of Christ. I saw with my own eyes actual carvings of the names of people from the Bible that were unearthed by archeologists. And the Dead Sea Scrolls are on exhibt there. These definitely are real historical people and I am convinced that they sincerely wrote these scrolls. You have to reserve special tickets and they give you a time to enter the exhibit because only so many people are allowed in at one time. Then you get these audio players that explain a lot of stuff about each exhibt. The exhibt is truly awesome for the City of Milwaukee to have and it will be there until June. But you have to get there in the morning because by noon the tickets are all sold out for the day.
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    May 07, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
    To barefootdude,

    How does seeing that people actually wrote some of the scrolls make what they say true?

    What about the chapters that are NOT in the current version of the bible?
    Where is the logical thinking and proof to back up the theory of the myths you say you believe in ?
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    May 07, 2010 9:27 PM GMT
    TallGWMvballer saidTo barefootdude,

    How does seeing that people actually wrote some of the scrolls make what they say true?

    What about the chapters that are NOT in the current version of the bible?
    Where is the logical thinking and proof to back up the theory of the myths you say you believe in ?


    There are literally 1000's of manuscripts, including the Dead Sea Scrolls that date very ancient and come from various time periods and various places all over the world where people could not compare notes with one another because they are separated by thousands of generations and yet these copies agree word for word. Don't let anyone tell you that there are so many variants in the Bible. The variants are less than 1% and I saw this with my own eyes. And the less than 1% variants can only be attributed to a total miracle of God and not a single one of these variants changes any teaching in Scripture. They are minor copying errors by the scribes who meticulously copied each letter of the Bible BY HAND. No body can fool me because I've studied the Bible carefully and compared manuscripts in the original languages of the Bible.

    Simon's name who carried Jesus cross could be legibly read on stones I saw. These are NOT mythological people. Satan is really trying to deceive people because he knows his time is coming to an end when Christ returns.
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    May 08, 2010 1:29 AM GMT
    If God's grand goal was to inspire others to "witness their faith". . . don't you think there's a simpler, more productive, less evil way to do it? You're saying he ripped an entire country to pieces and obliterated nearly a quarter-of-a-million people just to inspire some surviving idiot to start yammering about his faith?
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    May 08, 2010 2:45 AM GMT
    LittleDudeWithMuscles saidIf God's grand goal was to inspire others to "witness their faith". . . don't you think there's a simpler, more productive, less evil way to do it? You're saying he ripped an entire country to pieces and obliterated nearly a quarter-of-a-million people just to inspire some surviving idiot to start yammering about his faith?


    You obviously have no understanding of the Bible at all, if that's what you think it is about. I can tell by the way you talk that you have not even read the Bible in its entirity even once. You listen to all the propaganda and false bible teachers without looking at the Bible yourself with an open mind. I have come to my beliefs, not by what other people say or the way I was brought up, but my study of these books themselves has led me to see them as truth. History just keeps fulfilling every single page of every prophecy. That's all the proof I need.