Leviticus Loses: The Inevitability Of Equal Rights For Homosexuals - by Rabbi Kula

  • metta

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    May 04, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
    Leviticus Loses: The Inevitability Of Equal Rights For Homosexuals - by Rabbi Kula


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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-irwin-kula/leviticus-loses-the-inevi_b_557976.html
  • tazzari

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    May 04, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
    Very good - thanks for posting! This is one I'll pass along.
  • JayDT

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    May 05, 2010 12:49 AM GMT
    I love my people! Leave it to a Rabbi to say sure yeah this is what I am taught but I am also taught compassion!!!

    I attend and am a member of an Orthodox Shul here in LA. When I came out to my Rabbi I said is that a problem. He said "Eh some people drive on Shabbos some people are gay. I do what is right for me, you do what is right for you." And on that I drove home and watched tv.

    If you are in the LA area and you want a cool place to go to Shul, the 7th Street Habad in downtown LA is awesome. I advocate it to anyone interested.
  • calibro

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    May 05, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    psst... there's two "b"s in "rabbi"
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    May 05, 2010 7:25 AM GMT
    It seems to me the real problem behind the homosexual rights is that many religious persons simply cannot put their scriptural and theological commitments to the side while they engage in actually listening to the other side. These people aren't merely hiding behind their biblical interpretations as the Rabbi suggests--their self identity is so wrapped up in their belief system that even beginning to envisage a world where perhaps they are wrong about homosexuality causes them unbearable confusion, uncertainty, and doubt.
    Many religious persons use their beliefs to justify their way of life, to alleviate the uncertainty of their lives, and to make them feel, although perhaps naively, that their live's tragedies and successes are not in vain.
    Religion is a crutch which helps people through the muck and mire of life, and when we begin to question even the most tangential aspects of religion, such as homosexuality, these people feel their very lives are in question.


    In some ways asking some religious persons to but their beliefs on the back burner while they listen to actual people is like asking an alcoholic to put down his bottle for the good of his loved ones... they can do it, but not without tremendous restraint and pain... and unfortunately often they wont do it.

    The biggest obstacle that must be overcome is learning how, if at all possible, we can get these types of people to listen.
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    May 05, 2010 7:47 AM GMT
    rug12ds, ehhh...well Jews are VERY pro-gay compared to other religions. If Jews can change their religion to fit culture, then so can other religions. Well that and Jews don't take the Torah literally. In religious school I remember sitting reading in some random Torah English text, "if a woman touches a man's balls while in the middle of a fight with another man her hand must be cut off." After laughing our asses off at this me and my peers brought it to the attention of a superior and she frowned and was like, "that's....not....that doesn't happen in reality don't worry." I'm sure if this were any other religion then there'd be at least a handful of women with missing hands hahahaah.
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    May 05, 2010 8:18 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidrug12ds, ehhh...well Jews are VERY pro-gay compared to other religions. If Jews can change their religion to fit culture, then so can other religions. Well that and Jews don't take the Torah literally. In religious school I remember sitting reading in some random Torah English text, "if a woman touches a man's balls while in the middle of a fight with another man her hand must be cut off." After laughing our asses off at this me and my peers brought it to the attention of a superior and she frowned and was like, "that's....not....that doesn't happen in reality don't worry." I'm sure if this were any other religion then there'd be at least a handful of women with missing hands hahahaah.


    yes, i suppose you're right about jews being pro-gay... Jews actually understand proper exegesis and hermeneutics

    In my response I was referring mostly to evangelical Christians, who seem to be the driving force behind the anti gay movement.
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    May 05, 2010 8:37 AM GMT
    Here's a little something somehow connected with the topic. Enjoy icon_smile.gif

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk
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    May 05, 2010 8:41 AM GMT
    rug12ds said
    JakeBenson saidrug12ds, ehhh...well Jews are VERY pro-gay compared to other religions. If Jews can change their religion to fit culture, then so can other religions. Well that and Jews don't take the Torah literally. In religious school I remember sitting reading in some random Torah English text, "if a woman touches a man's balls while in the middle of a fight with another man her hand must be cut off." After laughing our asses off at this me and my peers brought it to the attention of a superior and she frowned and was like, "that's....not....that doesn't happen in reality don't worry." I'm sure if this were any other religion then there'd be at least a handful of women with missing hands hahahaah.


    yes, i suppose you're right about jews being pro-gay... Jews actually understand proper exegesis and hermeneutics

    In my response I was referring mostly to evangelical Christians, who seem to be the driving force behind the anti gay movement.


    ahhhh, NOW you clarify....
  • metta

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    May 05, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    calibro saidpsst... there's two "b"s in "rabbi"


    hehe...sorry....i'm always in a rush doing too many things at once.





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    May 05, 2010 7:44 PM GMT
    We're told we're going to hell. If that's the case, why would a compassionate person want to make like on earth hell for us?
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    May 05, 2010 7:47 PM GMT
    It's always refreshing to see a religious person who hasn't totally lost their mind and is able to think freely.
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    May 05, 2010 7:47 PM GMT
    McGay saidWe're told we're going to hell. If that's the case, why would a compassionate person want to make like on earth hell for us?
    That's the argument I use on my mom every time she gets onto me for spending too much money on something (lots of expensive hobbies). I tell her if I'm going to hell when I die (because she thinks I am), I'm gonna have heaven on earth before dying. icon_lol.gif
  • Delivis

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    May 05, 2010 7:52 PM GMT
    Jews do seem to have a lot of sexular and atheistic genes* thankfully.

    *do not take literally
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    May 05, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    rabbis is an incurable disease, resulting in death.