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  • Artesin

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    May 08, 2010 5:56 PM GMT
    Went to go see a trainer a few months back and he assigned to me a plan that goes a little something like this

    chest/tricep
    wide lat
    lateral lo row, close seated rows, partial deadlift, military press, wide bar shrugs, incline rear laterals. close bench press, tri press down, overhead tri extend

    Back/bicep
    incline press machine, incline DB press, decline bench, push up, wide straight bar curl, preacher curls,prone concentration curls


    He was a big guy, won body building champs and everything but it just seems strange to me to put lat pulls, rows,shoulder shrugs/press on a tricep rather than back/biceps days and only include 3 tricep workouts, only one of which is combination and doesn't come first in the cycle.

    Can anyone comment on this? Dont feel like the routine is working for me and I'm trying to find ways to alter it.

    If Im trying to build on 7-12 reps (he was having me do 20 for exhaustion by 17) how many exercises should be included? Whats the guideline for max amount of sets on splits?
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    May 08, 2010 10:20 PM GMT
    Are you eating enough (whole grains/vegetables/water) (~3000 cal/daily)?
    Do you have a sufficient protein intake (~250 g/daily)?
    Do you get enough sleep every night?
    Do you drink alcohol (which prevents muscle growth)?
  • Artesin

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    May 09, 2010 6:12 PM GMT
    Thats not exactly relevant to what I was getting at. The problem with it is that I dont feel any soreness after or the next day from the trainers workout and it's confusing as to why he would put back workouts on a tricep day.
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    May 09, 2010 7:32 PM GMT
    Artesin saidWent to go see a trainer a few months back and he assigned to me a plan that goes a little something like this

    [...]

    Can anyone comment on this? Dont feel like the routine is working for me and I'm trying to find ways to alter it.

    If Im trying to build on 7-12 reps (he was having me do 20 for exhaustion by 17) how many exercises should be included? Whats the guideline for max amount of sets on splits?



    Artesin saidArtesin said[/cite]Thats not exactly relevant to what I was getting at. The problem with it is that I dont feel any soreness after or the next day from the trainers workout and it's confusing as to why he would put back workouts on a tricep day.



    My response is quite relevant to your first post. This time I quote you on your posts. In the first one you asked:
    "Can anyone comment on this? Dont feel like the routine is working for me and I'm trying to find ways to alter it."

    I commented (as you asked!) since you feel that the routine isn't working.
    You apparently assume that it has to do with something that your trainer told (or didn't tell) you to do. Teachers (e.g. trainers) are human and they can make mistakes. At the same time your first post mentioned nothing about the things I brought up. Therefore those possibilities were conspicuously present so I decided to respond to you.

    From varied readings and my personal experiences my response to your post is very much to the point.

    When a routine isn't working it can always be due to various variables. I presented you with what is very basic but also too often neglected. If you don't fuel a fire it won't burn. The same goes for neglecting post workout living.

    As for the addition in your second post:

    "The problem with it is that I dont feel any soreness after or the next day from the trainers workout and it's confusing as to why he would put back workouts on a tricep day."

    I choose to bow out and wish you good luck in your training.
  • NYCguy74

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    May 09, 2010 7:39 PM GMT
    Artesin saidWent to go see a trainer a few months back...


    have you been doing the exact same thing for months? you need to switch it up every few weeks at the least. Your body will get used to a certain workout and limit your gains.

    My old trainer would do various things, to break it up, and keep the body guessing.

    back/biceps
    chest/triceps

    or

    front side - chest / bis
    back side - back / tris

    so it's not that unusual the breakdown you were given

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    May 09, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    WTF?
    So... he split the upper body into two days: Chest/Triceps and Back/Biceps- common- but why is he making you do chest exercises on a back day?
    Did you copy it down correctly? icon_smile.gif

    Trainers are either a hit or miss... but mostly a miss. I say it's time you part ways and find a new trainer! When searching for one don't choose one solely on the appearance of their physique... try to find one that won't talk to you about the weather and one that will focus on your goals and your needs. ...and second opinions never hurt.
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    May 09, 2010 8:53 PM GMT
    A1EX saidWTF?
    So... he split the upper body into two days: Chest/Triceps and Back/Biceps- common- but why is he making you do chest exercises on a back day?
    Did you copy it down correctly? icon_smile.gif


    My trainer has me supersetting alternating body parts. And it seems to be working well.

    1. Chest / Back
    2. Legs / Shoulders
    3. Biceps / Triceps

    its more complicated than listed, however, the results are great!
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    May 09, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    Agonist / antagonist, it's called.

    The number one thing with trying to get bigger is CALORIES. Period.

    If you want to get stronger, it's about form and technique, and getting in and out of the gym, and allowing for recovery.

    Strength and size are different form of hypertrophy.

    Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is best accomplished by higher reps and calories.

    It sounds like he knows what he's doing. Right now, he has you working on your basic stuff. Heavier stuff can come later. This is the fastest way to put on size. He may well have you lift slightly fewer reps in a few weeks, but, what he's doing sounds like he knows what he's up to.

    Many folks respond very well with higher rep stuff on the lower body, and medium to high stuff on the lower body. Size is about getting enough to eat and having recovery and not so much how much power you generate in one rep. That's a function of form and your nervous system, and your body's ability to do the chemical reactions necessary to do the pull / push.

    Different things work for different folks. Number one thing for gains, for ANYONE, is calories. Number two thing is RECOVERY.

    If you don't like the routine you're on, talk to the guy helping you now, or find another trainer, or go at it on your own.

    Without knowing a lot more about you in particular...much more, it's hard to guess what's up. Your trainer sounds like he's on the right path, though.

    Do what he says for a while. Chances are he didn't get big by being an idiot.

    You did a poor job of explaining your routine. It's hard to tell just quite what it is. Explain it like so:
    Day 1: Back bis
    Day 2: Chest tris
    Day 3: Quads
    Day 4: Shoulders
    Day 5: Hamstrings
    Day 6: Arms
    Day 7: off
    repeat...

    Try to be make your writing coherent. You did poorly here. It looks like he might be trying to get your chest up, but, it's hard to tell, the way you explained it. You have two alternating workouts? Your clarity is awful.
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    May 09, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
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    A1EX saidWTF?
    So... he split the upper body into two days: Chest/Triceps and Back/Biceps- common- but why is he making you do chest exercises on a back day?
    Did you copy it down correctly? icon_smile.gif


    My trainer has me supersetting alternating body parts. And it seems to be working well.

    1. Chest / Back
    2. Legs / Shoulders
    3. Biceps / Triceps

    its more complicated than listed, however, the results are great!


    The problem I have is with his example... On days designated for Back/Biceps he is doing chest and biceps and then some more chest and back on days for Chest/Triceps.
    I think he just mixed up the two...
    It seems more like a Chest/Biceps and Back/Triceps split.

    Edit:
    Also change the title of your topic to something like: "I have a hot sexy muscular 'bonerific' trainer but..."
    The more sexually suggestive the title... the more views you will get.