Arizona passes new law barring ethnic studies that promote hate and intolerance.

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    May 12, 2010 9:58 PM GMT
    From CNN:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/12/arizona.ethnic.studies/index.html?hpt=T2

    The new law forbids elementary or secondary schools to teach classes that are "designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group" and advocate "the overthrow of the United States government" or "resentment toward a race or class of people."

    The bill was pushed by state school Superintendent Tom Horne, who has spent two years trying to get Tucson schools to drop a Mexican-American studies program he said teaches Latino students they are an oppressed minority. There was no immediate response from the Tucson Unified School District, the law's main target.
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    May 13, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    im just in..awe..
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    May 13, 2010 12:18 AM GMT
    Seems like Arizona is spinning off into deep space. What has happened there? southbeach1500 supports all of these Republican initiatives, maybe he can provide some answers why Arizona is becoming the new face of US bigotry. I thought the States of the Old South held that distinction.
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    May 13, 2010 12:20 AM GMT
    no children let us not look at the truth but at this pretty wool as I place it before your face.. keep watching now.. see that wool, isn't it pretty wool, how soft and comforting that wool is..
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    May 13, 2010 12:27 AM GMT


    Not surprised since AZ was the last state to recognize Martin Luther king as a national holiday.
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    May 13, 2010 12:28 AM GMT
    I can't belive we were considering moving there.
    ugh.



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    May 13, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
    AWESOME!!!!!!!! I love how libs just jump on this and say this is bigotry. If you actually read the new law it prohibits any teaching that puts any race in a negative light. This is because Tucson school's Mexican-American studies program has been teaching students that the white man is to blame for all their problems. Tucson's program resembles the bigotry and hatred that was taught to whites in the south about blacks.
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    1974Warrior saidAWESOME!!!!!!!! I love how libs just jump on this and say this is bigotry. If you actually read the new law it prohibits any teaching that puts any race in a negative light. This is because Tucson school's Mexican-American studies program has been teaching students that the white man is to blame for all their problems. Tucson's program resembles the bigotry and hatred that was taught to whites in the south about blacks.

    You just keep telling yourself that. What a good little right-wing bigot you are. And pathetic. icon_razz.gif
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    May 13, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    Following this topic on another forum with some input about the textbook used in the "Hispanic studies" (my term) classes in Tucson and elsewhere in Arizone. Comment from the reader who supplied the link.


    "Here's the textbook people. Instead of sitting around barking about how insensitive the governor is, or isn't, take a stroll though the book itself. If you're not shocked at the table of contents alone, I question your reading comprehension."
    http://www.amazon.com/Occupied...os-4th/dp/0321044851

    Click the "look inside this book" link and read some of the reviews.


    The legislation is pretty much a backlash from the illegal immigrant/inflammatory hispanic vs. anglo situation in Arizona over the past 30 years, according to some opinions. Allegedly, the Superintendent is hispanic and opposes these ethnic studies as divisive, mostly "get whitey" attitudes being fomented, and on and on. Has been against the studies programs for several years.

    You can decide.

    Here's the article about the Governor's signing the bill:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/ap_on_re_us/us_arizona_ethnic_studies


    NOTE: I have no dog in this fight in Arizona
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    May 13, 2010 12:43 AM GMT
    1974Warrior saidAWESOME!!!!!!!! I love how libs just jump on this and say this is bigotry. If you actually read the new law it prohibits any teaching that puts any race in a negative light. This is because Tucson school's Mexican-American studies program has been teaching students that the white man is to blame for all their problems. Tucson's program resembles the bigotry and hatred that was taught to whites in the south about blacks.


    The negative light in which you speak is based on your own personal interpretation. Clearly since two individuals can read the same sentence and get two completely different meanings should we not teach the part of American history to blk children where their ancestors were slaves for the purpose of it might promote resentment?
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    May 13, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    1974Warrior saidAWESOME!!!!!!!! I love how libs just jump on this and say this is bigotry. If you actually read the new law it prohibits any teaching that puts any race in a negative light. This is because Tucson school's Mexican-American studies program has been teaching students that the white man is to blame for all their problems. Tucson's program resembles the bigotry and hatred that was taught to whites in the south about blacks.

    You just keep telling yourself that. What a good little right-wing bigot you are. And pathetic. icon_razz.gif


    wow vespa im not right winged or a bigot i'm stating fact..but one thing i kno about u is ur a miserable old fag hag. get a life old bitch.
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    May 13, 2010 12:58 AM GMT
    Hillie said
    1974Warrior saidAWESOME!!!!!!!! I love how libs just jump on this and say this is bigotry. If you actually read the new law it prohibits any teaching that puts any race in a negative light. This is because Tucson school's Mexican-American studies program has been teaching students that the white man is to blame for all their problems. Tucson's program resembles the bigotry and hatred that was taught to whites in the south about blacks.


    The negative light in which you speak is based on your own personal interpretation. Clearly since two individuals can read the same sentence and get two completely different meanings should we not teach the part of American history to blk children where their ancestors were slaves for the purpose of it might promote resentment?


    I believe in teaching facts. Yes people have always put groups down throughout history, but we dont correct the problem by teaching new generations to hate. Every generation needs to know their history and cultures and in order to progress learn from past mistakes. Its time to stop this blame everyone else for my problems attitude that society has These laws Arizona is passing isnt because of a dictator in office with her own agenda, they are bills voted on and passed by the state legislature and she then signs them into law. This is a democracy so people need to stop blaming one person.
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    May 13, 2010 1:01 AM GMT
    AbFab1 saidFollowing this topic on another forum with some input about the textbook used in the "Hispanic studies" (my term) classes in Tucson and elsewhere in Arizone. Comment from the reader who supplied the link.


    "Here's the textbook people. Instead of sitting around barking about how insensitive the governor is, or isn't, take a stroll though the book itself. If you're not shocked at the table of contents alone, I question your reading comprehension."
    http://www.amazon.com/Occupied...os-4th/dp/0321044851

    Click the "look inside this book" link and read some of the reviews.


    The legislation is pretty much a backlash from the illegal immigrant/inflammatory hispanic vs. anglo situation in Arizona over the past 30 years, according to some opinions. Allegedly, the Superintendent is hispanic and opposes these ethnic studies as divisive, mostly "get whitey" attitudes being fomented, and on and on. Has been against the studies programs for several years.

    You can decide.

    Here's the article about the Governor's signing the bill:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/ap_on_re_us/us_arizona_ethnic_studies


    NOTE: I have no dog in this fight in Arizona


    Thank you for showing others the facts.
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    May 13, 2010 1:09 AM GMT

    Well, I guess now they'll have more time in Arizona for Master Race Studies.
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    May 13, 2010 1:30 AM GMT
    It's interesting how The West tends to lead the nation so many times. In this case, they're saying "We are The United States" and we shouldn't have folks stirring up hatred, anger, and intolerance. I think the facts should be presented, just that sensorship is wrong. There's a fine line.

    I lived in Arizona for five years. Many Hispanics there are militant about Arizona still being part of Mexico. It hasn't been for many years now. They refuse to speak English, sometimes even when they know it, and they work to stratify the environment there. Clearly, some of that will go on as a result of various cultures, but, they shouldn't be allowed to be here illegally, making themselves exploited, driving down wages, and skewing states' costs in the border states. That's just not fair. Poverty does NOT give an exemption from following the law of the land.

    We aren't the melting pot of yesteryear. In large urban areas, we have sub-cultures, where folks don't have to learn English, and don't have to interact with mainstream culture. In some states, as in Idaho, they were giving the driver's test in 13 languages. That goes beyond absurd. Not everyone can get special treatment and that's what some of the illegals, and their buddies, want. It's not about prejudice, nor discrimination, but, rather, getting everyone on the same page, and TOGETHER.

    Our public schools shouldn't serve as vehicles for segregation and divisiveness. They should not serve as propaganda machines in any way. Period.

    Is it fair to say that cultures of poverty come here because they're poor and VOLUNTEER to be exploited? Yes, of course. Is is wrong to say that they are victims? Yes. They volunteered.

    I think most agree slavery was a bad thing, along with all the terrible racism that went with it, but, actively using public funds to generate resentment within a community that should instead be united is WRONG.
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    May 13, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    1974Warrior saidwow vespa im not right winged or a bigot i'm stating fact..but one thing i kno about u is ur a miserable old fag hag. get a life old bitch.

    Once again I see this pattern, that I mentioned in another thread, about slamming me for my age. You mention "old" twice in your short post. And how is my age relevant to what I wrote? Is this your ad hominem approach to an issue? Attack the person on some level, but sidestep the issues?

    BTW, a fag hag, in case no one has told you, is a straight woman who hangs around with gay guys. I am a gay man, and cannot fit that description. And I happen to hate that term, just on the basis of its own ugliness & prejudice.

    So OK, you erroneously call me a fag hag. Now what should we deduce from that? That you are not a gay man, who would otherwise know better than to apply that term to another gay man? I think that may be the case.

    We've been experiencing some homophobe agents here lately, and I wonder if you've just outed yourself. So do please explain who you really are, and how you can call me a fag hag?
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    May 13, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
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    Hillie said
    1974Warrior saidAWESOME!!!!!!!! I love how libs just jump on this and say this is bigotry. If you actually read the new law it prohibits any teaching that puts any race in a negative light. This is because Tucson school's Mexican-American studies program has been teaching students that the white man is to blame for all their problems. Tucson's program resembles the bigotry and hatred that was taught to whites in the south about blacks.


    The negative light in which you speak is based on your own personal interpretation. Clearly since two individuals can read the same sentence and get two completely different meanings should we not teach the part of American history to blk children where their ancestors were slaves for the purpose of it might promote resentment?


    I believe in teaching facts. Yes people have always put groups down throughout history, but we don't correct the problem by teaching new generations to hate. Every generation needs to know their history and cultures and in order to progress learn from past mistakes. Its time to stop this blame everyone else for my problems attitude that society has These laws Arizona is passing isn't because of a dictator in office with her own agenda, they are bills voted on and passed by the state legislature and she then signs them into law. This is a democracy so people need to stop blaming one person.



    If you think that the racisim that blks endured 50+ yrs ago is not deeply rooted in todays culture your kidding yourself! Your rt about getting past the blame game but in the same breathe acknowledgement and not a dismissal will probaly get better results than making someone feel unwarranted because YOU feel like ppl of color need to move on. Somewhat ridged on your behalf. Before you start flying out the pidgeon coupe let me say that when I speak about the deep rooted issues in my community I speak of the internal issues of self hated, depression, confidence, honor, love, commitment, sacrafice and value to name a few. don't go off on a tangent naming the success casue I know them all. On a large scale they are few that have broken thru as an example for us all. Yet some who have been witness to much more poverty, death and hopelessness need far more support. WAKE UP!
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    chuckystud saidIt's interesting how The West tends to lead the nation so many times. In this case, they're saying "We are The United States" and we shouldn't have folks stirring up hatred, anger, and intolerance. I think the facts should be presented, just that sensorship is wrong. There's a fine line.

    I lived in Arizona for five years. Many Hispanics there are militant about Arizona still being part of Mexico. It hasn't been for many years now. They refuse to speak English, sometimes even when they know it, and they work to stratify the environment there. Clearly, some of that will go on as a result of various cultures, but, they shouldn't be allowed to be here illegally, making themselves exploited, driving down wages, and skewing states' costs in the border states. That's just not fair. Poverty does NOT give an exemption from following the law of the land.

    We aren't the melting pot of yesteryear. In large urban areas, we have sub-cultures, where folks don't have to learn English, and don't have to interact with mainstream culture. In some states, as in Idaho, they were giving the driver's test in 13 languages. That goes beyond absurd. Not everyone can get special treatment and that's what some of the illegals, and their buddies, want. It's not about prejudice, nor discrimination, but, rather, getting everyone on the same page, and TOGETHER.

    Our public schools shouldn't serve as vehicles for segregation and divisiveness. They should not serve as propaganda machines in any way. Period.

    Is it fair to say that cultures of poverty come here because they're poor and VOLUNTEER to be exploited? Yes, of course. Is is wrong to say that they are victims? Yes. They volunteered.

    I think most agree slavery was a bad thing, along with all the terrible racism that went with it, but, actively using public funds to generate resentment within a community that should instead be united is WRONG.



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