Edwards out who does this help?

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    Jan 30, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
    Now that Edwards drops do you think his votes will help Obama or Hillary or will there be an even split? This could have a big impact in light of super tuesday coming up.
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    Jan 30, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    Well I wouldn't be shocked if it is Obama. All those rumors about naming him Obama's attorney general kind of makes me think of cronyism which kind of makes me think of corruption which kind of makes me think Obama is just as much "business as usual" as he is so admirably trying to "fight against".

    yeah 56 delegates are a lot but after super Tuesday and the following primaries beyond that, those delegates arnt going to stand for much.

    Vote Hillary!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 30, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    Well Hippie, I wondered where you were at... I hadn't seen you in the forums of late.

    Well as far as to whom it helps... I think we don't really know at this stage. I think it would have helped Hillary (with S. Carolina) had there not been J. Edwards, but I've also heard the contrary.

    I think if he doesn't endorse anyone I think its a toss up... but I agree with Slayer that it would be nice if Hillary benefits.

    Democrats in 08!
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    Jan 30, 2008 4:50 PM GMT
    Terra what state do you come from lol that you arnt up on the issues yet!?!

    Neither Hillary or Obama are against gay marriage. They both want states to decide it and both OPPOSE a constitutional ban. It's good to let the states decided cause that will cause a major flux of population and revenue for that state when all the gays get up and take their business elsewhere.

    UPDATE:

    Delegates

    Hillary:

    249

    Obama:

    181


    Edwards:

    56

    even if Edwards gave all his delegates to Obama, Hillary is still in the lead by 12. Now that could mean if Edwards endorses Obama it could leave those other delegates to swing for him as well but I think they'll hopefully make their choice based on the popular vote from people. Cause lets be honest in a democracy its the majority who gets the choice and hillary is still at a double digit national lead.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 30, 2008 4:52 PM GMT
    Slayer, where do you get those figures? Are you including the imfamous "superdelegates" in those numbers?
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    Jan 30, 2008 4:54 PM GMT
    no, you can't include those super delegates until like the national convention (unless they stake who they are for earlier-though not obligated) Im talking what they are in possession of right now.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 30, 2008 4:58 PM GMT
    I haven't seen or heard those figures... I think I've seen the 63-Obama 48 Hillary 26 Edwards...

    Just curious how you arrive at those numbers.
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    Jan 30, 2008 5:02 PM GMT
    check with the new york times or CNN
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    Jan 30, 2008 5:17 PM GMT
    yeah but those delegates have pledged who they are voting for. There are still super delegates from states that haven t announced an endorsement yet. so again, these are what they are in possession of right now.
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    Jan 30, 2008 5:46 PM GMT
    The Hilly number of delegates is also inflated because both Michigan and Florida are not getting delegates at the convention (unless Hillary clearly dominates Super Duper Tuesday). So, Obama is actually still ahead of Hillary in terms of delegates. I wouldn't be surprised if the MI and FL issue comes to court if there is no clear winner after tuesday.

    I think Edward's message jives more with Obama's. But I also think Edward's is ambitious and would make a deal with Hillary for some prominent cabinet position, as he brings nothing to the table for her as a VP nod. Sadly, Edwards would be a poor choice for both candidates as a VP. Obama needs someone with defense experience and Clinton needs Obama.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 30, 2008 5:57 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said

    Obama needs someone with defense experience and Clinton needs Obama.


    What for? Why would Hillary want Obama?
  • jc_online

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    Jan 30, 2008 7:12 PM GMT
    I was going to vote for Edwards to give him all of the possible help I could, even though he wasn't my first choice in the race. With him out, and my state not voting until a week after Super Tuesday, I'm going back to my most pricipled vote option: Kucinich. Run, Denny, Run!
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    Jan 30, 2008 7:54 PM GMT
    Hillary needs Obama because she is polarizing, in the superficial obviousness. It would not happen though.

    My bro voted for edwards in SC, and now how is supporting Obama. I think that Edwards being above the rancor of the SC debate appealed to him. Now that that is gone, he's going for Obama.
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidWhat for? Why would Hillary want Obama?


    As Sickofthesame said, she is divisive and needs someone with centrist charm. Independents and fence sitters are gaga over Obama, more so than McCain is. Obama is a media darling and can mend HIllary, who is damaged goods.

    Though if I were Obama I wouldn't bite. What kind of place does a VP have with both Bill and HIllary in the driver's seat?
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:14 PM GMT
    terra22 saidPS- I heard Barack is against gay marriage..truth?!


    he hasn't really said weather he does or doesn't but his church is for it.icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:18 PM GMT
    jc_online saidI was going to vote for Edwards to give him all of the possible help I could, even though he wasn't my first choice in the race. With him out, and my state not voting until a week after Super Tuesday, I'm going back to my most pricipled vote option: Kucinich. Run, Denny, Run!

    uh kucinich dropped out a few days ago hun.
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:21 PM GMT
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    Both Billary and Obama have not come out in support of equal marriage rights and rather support civil unions.

    Obama is more LGBT friendly, he has a page on his site for LGBT Americans, is not afraid to talk about LGBT people in his speeches, and support repealing the Defense of Marriage Act, which Billary does not talk about.
  • jc_online

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    Jan 30, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    Damn! I didn't hear or read that Kucinich stepped out. So it's now just the 2 to choose from? That's too bad - I don't really want either one of them.

    I guess Obama because I'd like to end the Clinton/Bush reign of the oval office.

    But maybe Clinton becasue she has more experience in DC.

    Maybe emmigration to Canada...
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:38 PM GMT
    To original OP I think Obama will get more supporters from the dropout but it may not matter much. Every poll I read seems about split as to who supports who.


    I think my views on Hillary can be summed up with this:
    yhst-41341492766227_1984_455489

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    Jan 30, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    I think Fidel Castro was right on the money and it will be a hillary/Obama ticket.
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:52 PM GMT
    365gay.com has all the gay political news and is currently on top of the 2008 presidential primaries. I wanted kucinich too but i never thought he could win. I am for hilary always have been since 2003 when i suggested her running in 2004 but i am glad she is running when i can actually vote.
    Although my support for hillary clinton is iron clad i will vote Barack Obama if he wins the democratic primary. I like them both and am glad i actually have a choice between two good candidates rather than the lesser of two evils.
    I will not tell anybody who to vote for anymore but i will say this.
    Just vote please!icon_mad.gif
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    Jan 30, 2008 9:58 PM GMT
    If forced to choose I would go with the lesser of the two evils. I'm not impressed with either of them and while I know my vote counts, I will probably not vote for either one. I always have the option of moving to a reservation in OK if I don't like what is happening to our country.

    I would vote for a candidate that got up in front of the whole country and promised to listen to the peoples needs and wants and work towards them rather than hearing "these are MY wants and needs and I'll be working towards them".

    IMHO, a Monkey could run our country better.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 31, 2008 11:08 AM GMT
    It probably will help Obama slightly
    because some of the Edwards people were anti-Hillary people
    but Edwards is playing king maker
    and he'll wait for the proper moment to give his support to either one
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 31, 2008 1:13 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said[/cite][quote][cite]HndsmKansan said[/cite]What for? Why would Hillary want Obama?

    As Sickofthesame said, she is divisive and needs someone with centrist charm.

    Many right wingers perceive Obama to be more liberal than Hillary....

    She is perceived as divisive by those who want to perceive her that way.., that doesn't mean she is... and she can get someone else to serve as VP to help balance the ticket. She doesn't need Obama...