Don't Seek Medical Care at a Roman Catholic Hospital in the US -- They Practice Church Doctrine, Not Modern Medicine & Ethics

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    May 16, 2010 3:51 AM GMT
    Nun on hospital ethics committee gets fired & excommunicated by bishop for agreeing with medical professionals to permit an abortion to save a mother's life. Although now the cowardly bishop is hiding his involvement in the nun's removal, as if she got removed by magic. Read this for an insight into how the RCC thinks & operates. In Arizona, BTW. Has this state gone totally wacko?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37171656/ns/health-health_care/
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    May 16, 2010 5:04 AM GMT
    Red Vespa--please take your anti-Catholic and anti-Arizona post and stay in FL---thanks--
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    May 16, 2010 5:31 AM GMT
    daguerreo saidRed Vespa--please take your anti-Catholic and anti-Arizona post and stay in FL---thanks--

    Meaning you agree with this bishop? Please, don't be coy. A woman should die rather than receive a life-saving abortion? Please tell us why.
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    May 16, 2010 8:22 AM GMT
    sorry but this post is informative and should not be removed. thank you red vespa for posting this. my favorite part of the article was and I quote

    "An unborn child is not a disease. While medical professionals should certainly try to save a pregnant mother's life, the means by which they do it can never be by directly killing her unborn child. The end does not justify the means."

    they do realize the not terminating the pregnancy would have killed the mother which in turn would have killed the fetus anyways right. I mean if anything the person the person performing the abortion in this case deserves and award for saving one human life where two would have been lost.
  • GQjock

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    May 16, 2010 12:20 PM GMT
    That whole eating the Body and and Blood thing ....... Eeeeewwwww icon_confused.gif

    Being a reformed Roman Catholic I know what I'm saying

    Stay Away!
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    May 22, 2010 9:29 PM GMT
    That phrase, "the ends do not justify the means," is so misleading and thoughtless. If there is a rigorous means-ends distinction, then the means do not justify the ends (to steal a Kelsen phrase, although I'm no big fan of his). Of course, there really isn't such a distinction apart from goal formation and implementation, but responsible optimizers would attend all relevant consequences to human welfare, meaning the bishop's whining is off-point unless he has some theory that says it's ok to sacrifice the mother's life to salvage a fetus, which is what he's actually advocating. He doesn't, but I'm sure he's deluded himself into thinking he does.
  • JayDT

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    May 22, 2010 9:32 PM GMT
    That's terrible. This nun just insured that those other children still had their mother to come home and care for them and kiss their bruised knees and whatever.
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    May 22, 2010 9:55 PM GMT
    When a pregnant woman asks for an abortion simply because she wants to pursue her office career and keep up her swilling of Champagne at the bar in the evenings (and there is plenty of this going on in the UK, London in particular), then I'm firmly against this form of elective abortion.
    But here is a case where the mother is suffering a life-threatening illness (and of course the life of the fetus is under threat also), I'm all for the termination, if such an op would spare her life.
    The Bishop acted in total idiocy! Excommunion from the Church is a serious issue to any Catholic, for it means Hell for all eternity with no hope of redemption. It is a fear that compels every member to stay in tune with the Church.
    Fortunately, the Bible promises Heaven for this nun if she trust in the risen Lord Jesus to save her. She would then be saved, no matter what the Catholic Church says since the Church would have no authority over the soul of the nun.
  • KissTheSky

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    May 22, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    Were any of the priests who raped those children excommunicated? This sounds like a rhetorical question, but I'm serious.. certainly their crimes were as bad, if not worse? Do they get a pass?