Is it true that 90% of your health when you are 50-60+ depends on what state your body was in at 18-21?

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    May 19, 2010 2:37 AM GMT
    And to that extension, if I work out a lot now, will I basically gain a sort of 'eternal muscle memory' so that even if I get out of shape later in life, because I worked out a lot when I was 20/21 it'll be 'easy as shit' to get back in the shape I was when I was this age?
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    May 19, 2010 6:14 PM GMT
    Anyone know about this? I've heard it loads of places, and I recall reading it in a pretty credible article a long time ago -- but I still am not 100% positive.
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    May 19, 2010 6:29 PM GMT
    "Health" is a very broad term. If you're talking about physical fitness, that can be achieved well into your senior years even if you lived a sedentary youth. That being said, an inactive lifestyle, often coupled with a poor diet and exacerbated by genetics, may cause specific health problems such as obesity, hypertension and diabetes which can deteriorate your body and limit what you can do later in life (limit, meaning you may not be huge and ripped like some amazing 50-60 year old men but you can still make vast improvements if you work hard).

    You mentioned muscle memory. This consists of neural pathway adaptations which can be built in most stages of life. As with any and all deterioration factors yes it'll be easier to build them if you have young, healthy nervous system as opposed to one that is 90 years old.
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    May 19, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    You're asking two questions.

    If you're talking specifically about youthful muscular gains as a predictor of later-in-life muscularity, I suspect it's false from a "muscle memory" standpoint. Your body creates new muscle cells and eats them up with equal aplomb.

    I suspect, however, there's a correlation with youthful muscle gains and late-in-life muscularity (but not a causal relationship). It is likely due to establishing a habit with its own (psychological) reward feedback. The earlier the habit forms, the more enforcement the habit enjoys.

    If you're talking about general health, as in likelihood of resisting illness and death, youth health again has a correlation to late-in-life health, but not a completely causal relationship; many late-in-life illnesses are not lifestyle-dependent (obesity, Type II diabetes) but are inheritance-dependent (cancer, Alzheimer's).

    Snapshot views of customers as a predictor of behavior/risk are used by insurance companies, and increase in accuracy with the addition of more apt variables. However, individual snapshots often cancel each other out, particularly if enough time has passed.
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    May 19, 2010 6:37 PM GMT
    Sounds hokey. I'm guess though that people in there 18-21 year old range who are active and stay active will generally be healthier. Activity is necessary for health. Those who are concerned with healthy and are active generally eat healthy because it makes them feel better and they usually eat that way to maintain a good physique.

    So if you want to be healthy, don't just work out now. Work out until you die, and eat healthy until you die. Health is not a one time investment. It's a lifetime investment. Just as dieting and exercise are not a temporary fix, it's a lifestyle choice.
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    May 19, 2010 6:40 PM GMT
    Simply_Drew saidHealth is not a one time investment. It's a lifetime investment.

    So it's an annuity, not a trust?
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    May 19, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    Simply_Drew saidHealth is not a one time investment. It's a lifetime investment.

    So it's an annuity, not a trust?


    i think of it as a roth ira where you work hard for it in the beginning, but after a certain age you get to enjoy your hard work and point fingers at your friends who blew their money along the way.
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    May 19, 2010 6:56 PM GMT
    calibro saidi think of it as a roth ira where you work hard for it in the beginning, but after a certain age you get to enjoy your hard work and point fingers at your friends who blew their money along the way.

    I like to think of it as a Ponzi scheme. If I get four friends to join a gym and I convince the gym that these four friends have their own four friends, I exchange that information for a free gym membership, which gets me tossed out on the street when the gym discovers my original four friends were just family members living at the same address.
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    May 19, 2010 7:01 PM GMT
    Well, that's it, i'm done for.
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    May 19, 2010 7:19 PM GMT
    NO, thank God!
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    May 19, 2010 10:13 PM GMT
    I really hope for this to be true! Ha, no worries about my feature icon_smile.gif
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    May 20, 2010 12:13 AM GMT
    Is it true that 90% of simplistic rules of thumb are the result of the confusion between causation and correlation, and appeal to 99% of the population that is desperate for an easy to understand answer to everything?

    ...

    Oh BTW, there was a study of patients over the age of 70 that were admitted to a VA hospital over the last 30 years which showed that these patients had both bad teeth and a high incidence of emphysema. So...

    Make sure you brush your teeth when you're young, otherwise you'll get emphysema!
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    May 20, 2010 12:32 AM GMT
    Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.
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    May 20, 2010 12:32 AM GMT
    if you are dead by 18-21 it is 100%
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    May 20, 2010 12:34 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidif you are dead by 18-21 it is 100%


    You're always thinking, I like this bit...hahaha
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    May 20, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    iguanaSF saidOh BTW, there was a study of patients over the age of 70 that were admitted to a VA hospital over the last 30 years which showed that these patients had both bad teeth and a high incidence of emphysema. So...

    Make sure you brush your teeth when you're young, otherwise you'll get emphysema!

    Sheesh, what a load of hooey. Obviously, emphysema rots your teeth.
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    May 20, 2010 3:32 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    calibro saidi think of it as a roth ira where you work hard for it in the beginning, but after a certain age you get to enjoy your hard work and point fingers at your friends who blew their money along the way.

    I like to think of it as a Ponzi scheme. If I get four friends to join a gym and I convince the gym that these four friends have their own four friends, I exchange that information for a free gym membership, which gets me tossed out on the street when the gym discovers my original four friends were just family members living at the same address.



    A Ponzi scheme is a pretty bad analogy in this case...

    It's more like a bond that keeps paying you annual interest until all of a sudden the assets turn toxic and the underlying securities default and you go bankrupt.
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    May 20, 2010 3:49 AM GMT
    iguanaSF saidIs it true that 90% of simplistic rules of thumb are the result of the confusion between causation and correlation, and appeal to 99% of the population that is desperate for an easy to understand answer to everything?

    ...

    Oh BTW, there was a study of patients over the age of 70 that were admitted to a VA hospital over the last 30 years which showed that these patients had both bad teeth and a high incidence of emphysema. So...

    Make sure you brush your teeth when you're young, otherwise you'll get emphysema!


    What I want to know are you taking over for Chucky icon_rolleyes.gif

    Did like the causation correlation comment nicely said.
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    May 20, 2010 3:52 AM GMT
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    iguanaSF saidIs it true that 90% of simplistic rules of thumb are ...


    What I want to know are you taking over for Chucky icon_rolleyes.gif



    Eeek!

    * eyes widen *

    I think you're saying I need another RJ break.

    I think I agree.



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    May 20, 2010 3:58 AM GMT
    iguanaSF said
    Roccoe said
    iguanaSF saidIs it true that 90% of simplistic rules of thumb are ...


    What I want to know are you taking over for Chucky icon_rolleyes.gif



    Eeek!

    * eyes widen *

    I think you're saying I need another RJ break.

    I think I agree.





    OH Sorry it was that flash of numbers figures lost my head. It was that trail blazing answer that had me confused.
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    May 20, 2010 4:08 AM GMT
    Well I know that your body loses muscle immensely as you grow and therefore, the more muscle your body has, the better condition you'll be in physically when you get old.
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    May 20, 2010 4:10 AM GMT
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    mickeytopogigio said
    calibro saidi think of it as a roth ira where you work hard for it in the beginning, but after a certain age you get to enjoy your hard work and point fingers at your friends who blew their money along the way.

    I like to think of it as a Ponzi scheme. If I get four friends to join a gym and I convince the gym that these four friends have their own four friends, I exchange that information for a free gym membership, which gets me tossed out on the street when the gym discovers my original four friends were just family members living at the same address.



    A Ponzi scheme is a pretty bad analogy in this case...

    It's more like a bond that keeps paying you annual interest until all of a sudden the assets turn toxic and the underlying securities default and you go bankrupt.


    So are we talking about the assets turning toxic at 60+ and dropping?

    In that case if I am bankrupt would anyone like to chip in for a walker icon_redface.gif
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    May 20, 2010 12:13 PM GMT
    best indicator of how you will be at 50 is how you are at 49.


    that said it´s much easier to keep a room tidy than it is to decorate it. best idea: get in shape when you are 20 and have nature on your side and then work to keep it...
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    May 20, 2010 3:01 PM GMT
    I certainly agree with much of whats been said.

    I like good habits. I certainly have habits that would be better if changed, but it seems that as we age (for the average person) habits get harder to break..... in many aspects in our lives, certainly not just limited to exercise.

    Develop good diet and exercise habits early, work at them and it will be 2nd nature when you get older. Its just much harder (but certainly not impossible) to change your whole approach as you age.

    I learned at 8 years old to make my bed before I went to school... the only way it isn't done today is if I'm sick... the same with exercise.