Tolerating the Trolls in defense of our Civil Liberties

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    May 19, 2010 3:54 PM GMT
    This morning another RJ member voiced feelings of frustration in regards to other members (Trolls) who come to this virtual online community to post topics with opinions that are generally irritating, but potentially very harmful to persons who can't see the troll for what it is...a troublemaker.

    Here is a sanitized and modified version of my response. I hope that you derive something positive and of value from this share.



    ---- FROM <> May 19, 2010 at 2:59 AM
    It's very rare to see <> get angry in this way. There are guys here recovering from those ex-gay ministries where they try to turn you straight.
    There's also a topic here about depression/suicide where guys talk about cutting themselves. ...

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    Good morning <>,

    I am in San Francisco this week, and I am so grateful when I see two people in love holding hands crossing the street, or walking down the block...everywhere! And, it doesn't matter whether those two people are the same sex, color, or whatever. I just see two people enjoying each other's love.

    It's obviously not that way everywhere, and some people will choose to condemn and even try to change others to fit the way they believe or think.

    Sadly, there are some who bring their poisonous messages here, to the Real Jock community. And, because this is generally not a moderated venue, people exercise their "freedom of speech" and "freedom of belief" in all kinds of ways. Not all of those ways are respectful of other people in the community.

    As disappointingly hurtful certain "religious trolls" can be, we must still welcome them to our virtual online space because ultimately only "RealJock" can make the decision as to the kind of online behavior that will or will not be tolerated.

    The proselytizing, baiting, irritating, and even infuriating use of "free speech" and "freedom of belief" by some individuals on RJ is unfortunate. Who knows what kind of psychological damage these individuals may be causing that might ultimately lead to self-loathing and suicide by those who are already confused and vulnerable.

    I am convinced that it is deliberate and with malicious intent. And, because it is subtle and cloaked, it is that much more dangerous and evil.

    Religion in itself is not (IMHO) a bad thing. Religion can help some people to find a spiritual path and spiritual peace. Religion is not (IMHO) the same as spirituality. Twisting of religion to create fear, hatred, and even war is perhaps the most horrific spiritual shortcoming that I can imagine. Using religion to create discord under the guise of intelligent discourse is detestable and offensive to any community that values peaceful coexistence.

    This IS a community. And, the community can stand up to offensive and detestable behavior even if RealJock chooses not to step in. The troll (of any kind) can be isolated. The troll can have their threads hijacked or overwhelmed with truth from large numbers of community members who choose not to tolerate those who will "drive by and break windows" in our peaceful online neighborhood.

    We too have freedom of speech. We too have the freedom to believe as we choose. We can choose to ignore and isolate offensive speech and beliefs, while at the same time permitting the distasteful ones to abuse their own freedoms.

    I urge other members who make positive, uplifting contributions to this virtual online community to band together and send a clear message to trolls: "You may be free to abuse the civil liberties that we cherish, but we don't have to be tacit in our tolerance. We can choose to ignore you. Or, we can choose to call you out, ostracize you, and spotlight you for who and what you really are."

    To completely censor them would ultimately be their win at the cost of the erosion of our own civil liberties.

    I still don't have to like or even respect those fucking asshats. They are of the same ilk as flag burners and those who protest at the funerals of fallen members of our armed forces.





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    May 19, 2010 4:25 PM GMT

    lol, the interesting thing about censorship of freedom of speech with trolls is that two of them here, for example, delete entire pages-long topics where others have gone after their trolling, and then start those topics a-new. Talk about censorship. They cry freedom of speech then curtail others' right to it the first chance they're given. icon_lol.gif

    -Doug
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    May 19, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    Again, evidence that they abuse their freedoms and attempt to cover up their bullshit through censorship.

    Good or bad. Let a person stand by their words...and their consequences.
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    May 19, 2010 5:14 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidAgain, evidence that they abuse their freedoms and attempt to cover up their bullshit through censorship.

    Good or bad. Let a person stand by their words...and their consequences.


    For people yes,, but remember you're discussing trolls here