The Silent Sermon

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    May 19, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    A member of a certain church, who previously had been attending services regularly, stopped going. After a few weeks, the preacher decided to visit him.

    It was a chilly evening. The pastor found the man at home alone, sitting before a blazing fire. Guessing the reason for his preacher's visit, the man welcomed him, led him to a comfortable chair near the fireplace and waited.

    The preacher made himself at home but said nothing. In the grave silence, he contemplated the dance of the flames around the burning logs. After some minutes, the preacher took the fire tongs, carefully picked up a brightly burning ember and placed it to one side of the hearth all alone then he sat back in his chair, still silent.

    The host watched all this in quiet contemplation. As the one lone ember's flame flickered and diminished, there was a momentary glow and then its fire was no more. Soon it was cold and dead.

    Not a word had been spoken since the initial greeting. The preacher glanced at his watch and realized it was time to leave. He slowly stood up, picked up the cold, dead ember and placed it back in the middle of the fire. Immediately it began to glow, once more with the light and warmth of the burning coals around it.

    As the preacher reached the door to leave, his host said with a tear running down his cheek, 'Thank you so much for your visit and especially for the firey sermon. I will be back in church next Sunday'.

    We live in a world today, which tries to say too much with too little. Consequently, few listen. Sometimes the best sermons are the ones left unspoken.

    The Lord is my Shepherd ----- that's a Relationship!

    I shall not want ----- that's Supply!

    He maketh me to lie down in green pastures ----that's Rest!

    He leadeth me beside the still waters -----that'sRefreshment!

    He restoreth my soul ----- that's Healing!

    He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness --that's Guidance!

    For His name sake ----- that's Purpose!

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death--that's Testing!

    I will fear no evil ----- that's Protection!

    For Thou art with me ----- that's Faithfulness!

    Thy rod and Thy staff comfort me -----that'sDiscipline!

    Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies------that's Hope!

    Thou annointest my head with oil ----- that'sConsecration!

    My cup runneth over ----- that's Abundance!

    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life----that's Blessing!

    And I will dwell in the house of the Lord -----that'sSecurity!

    Forever ----- that's Eternity!

    Face it, God is crazy about you!
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    May 21, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    So I guess what the preacher was saying symbolically was: "Aren't you lonely keeping to yourself like this? Man is a social animal. If you keep to yourself all the time, your life becomes cold and lifeless. Come rejoin your community, and feel yourself come alive again."

    That's a good message. icon_smile.gif
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    May 22, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    Yes, but only if you repent your homosexuality, right barefootdude?

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    May 22, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
    that was actually pretty nice icon_smile.gif
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    May 22, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    meninlove said Yes, but only if you repent your homosexuality, right barefootdude?



    Not true. If you or others don't beleive homosexuality is a sin, then you can 't repent of something that you don't know or feel is wrong. But obviosly you can't be a hypocrite. If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel. Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver. We are all doing sins for sure that we don't always realize are sins.. God forgives even things we don't know are sins. Unbelief is the only thing that damns. Obviously an unbeliever doesn't care whether God likes what he is doing or not, he;ll do it just to spite him. icon_sad.gif

    Gay Christians are not acting that way .
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    May 22, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    MenschPress saidSo I guess what the preacher was saying symbolically was: "Aren't you lonely keeping to yourself like this? Man is a social animal. If you keep to yourself all the time, your life becomes cold and lifeless. Come rejoin your community, and feel yourself come alive again."

    That's a good message. icon_smile.gif

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    May 22, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    Right. "If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel."

    You can sugar-coat it all you want in order to hold on to your ridiculous literalist view of the bible, (which you tried to do in the next sentence).

    " Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver."

    ...by this fallacious logic murderers can keep on murdering if they don't consider it a sin, right? icon_rolleyes.gif

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    May 22, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    I'll give you another example. My sister believes all depictions of nudity is sinful. I disagree. The Bible doesn't say this. It's lust that the Bible says is sinful, not nudity. I even discussed this with my pastor and he agrees with me. Now, for my sister it is a sin and she needs to follow her conscience, but she should not bind the conscience of others. If a Christian thinks it is sinful to drink any alcohol, then for him it is a sin and he shouldn't drink any alcohol. But he should not bind the conscience of others who don't feel drinking alcohol is a sin. The Bible doesn't say this either and I beleive drinking alcohol without drunkeness is not a sin.

    If a Christian gay beleives the passages in the Bible dealing with homosexuality are not from God but men, then for them, they are not really sinning without repentance. Understand? Not everyone has the same knowledge of Scripture and where we lack knowlege or understanding, God forgives all of that misunderstanding through faith in Christ. There is NOBODY who is a perfect man or has perfect understanding of everything in Scripture. God forgives ALL MISUNDERSTANDINGS through faith in Christ. Christians go to bed at night in total peace knowing that God is taking care of them and even if they die before morning, they know their soul will be in heaven. Gay Christians too have this faith and confidence in Christ their Savior.
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    May 22, 2010 2:44 AM GMT
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    meninlove said Yes, but only if you repent your homosexuality, right barefootdude?



    Not true. If you or others don't beleive homosexuality is a sin, then you can 't repent of something that you don't know or feel is wrong. But obviosly you can't be a hypocrite. If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel. Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver. We are all doing sins for sure that we don't always realize are sins.. God forgives even things we don't know are sins. Unbelief is the only thing that damns. Obviously an unbeliever doesn't care whether God likes what he is doing or not, he;ll do it just to spite him. icon_sad.gif

    Gay Christians are not acting that way .

    Of course, it's so simple. God gives us all the natural impulse to question everything around us and then condemns all who use it. My my. What a loving God to give free will and then condemn you to the bowels of hell for using it. Be gay, but never act upon it. Eat what you will, but leave this one tree alone. Such love to create everything in the universe and then blame all of your failures on the the one you loved above all others.
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    May 22, 2010 3:11 AM GMT
    meninlove said Right. "If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel."

    You can sugar-coat it all you want in order to hold on to your ridiculous literalist view of the bible, (which you tried to do in the next sentence).

    " Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver."

    ...by this fallacious logic murderers can keep on murdering if they don't consider it a sin, right? icon_rolleyes.gif



    If they TRULY didn't know murder was sinful, they are forgiven. But how many Christians TRULY don't know.murder is sinful? lol But murder itself is not an unforgiveable sin. There will be some people who comitted murder who will be in heaven because God says so. And there really are gay Christians who TRULY don't think they are sinning. And maybe I could be wrong about my understanding. But from my study, I feel it is not right so FOR ME, I shouldn't. Understand? And I'm not going to bind the conscience of another gay who TRULY thinks homosexuality is not sinful. If it really is a sin, then God doesn't hold this misunderstanding of Scripture against him because he is forgiven of all misunderstandings. The same is true of me. Suppose I find out after death that it wasn't a sin. Then He also will not hold it against me for thinking it was because of my faith in Christ as well.

    It's what's TRULY IN YOUR HEART and God knows what is in your heart. You can't deceive him and if you are living what you honestly believe is God's will through your faith in Christ., then you are living your faith. NO ONE GETS TO HEAVEN BY THEIR OWN WORKS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE TOTALLY PERFECT WITHOUT EVEN 1 LITTLE SIN IN YOUR LIFE. There isn't ANYONE who can claim this, except Christ whose perfect life God counts and credits to ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The Bible clearly and unmistakedly teaches that salvation is 100% a gift from God, NOT by works. But a true Christian does return God's love toward him by living in a way they is loving toward him and his fellow men as a FRUIT OR RESULT OF FAITH NOT AS A MEANS TO SALVATION. I want to act kind to people, not to get to heaven because I know I aleady have that in Christ, but because Christ is kind to me and wants me to treat others with kindness. The Christian always knows his salvation comes from Christ not himself. This is the true teaching of Scripture because I can quote you passages in all 66 books that proves it.
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    May 22, 2010 3:17 AM GMT
    So.... the lesson is "if you go to church you will burn"? I'd rather stay room temperature than 'glowing ember' temperature I think icon_twisted.gif
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    May 22, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    Rune saidSo.... the lesson is "if you go to church you will burn"? I'd rather stay room temperature than 'glowing ember' temperature I think icon_twisted.gif


    If you go to church, you are giving God the opportunity to speak to you through his Word and you have the priviledge to praise him in song and talk to him in prayer, You also have the Christian support and love of likeminded Christians. Going to church IS NOT a good work that merits you salvation like the Roman Catholic Church teaches. They turn everything into a good work that merits salvation and this is WRONG and DESTROYS THE GOSPEL and THEREFORE IS ANTI CHRIST. Salvation comes from what Christ did, not what we do. But in love toward Christ you will WANT to hear what he has to say and you will want to thank and praise him for his love toward you. Those are the only reasons I go church. I want to go because I like to hear God speak to me and I like praising him in song and I like the support of fellow Christians. That is priceless and I have a lot of friends there, too. They are such kind loving people and really care about you both spiritually and in physical ways. They will be there for you as I for them when we need each other for support.
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    May 22, 2010 3:43 AM GMT
    barefootdude:

    Recently, I have been working on finding my spiritual being, again. When I was younger, I was very active in the church (and when I say younger, I mean like 4-11 years old). I knew the scripture, I lived by it, and I presented it to others in a non-forceful manner and with complete unbias and total understanding.

    During 6th grade I encountered something that I, for some reason, could not get pass. This changed me and molded me into something I never thought I would become. After years of self-work, I want to get back into my old ways of belief intertwined with my new understanding and acceptance of myself.

    Anyway, reading what you originally posted, along with help from other friends and family members, has helped to add another piece to reconnecting with my higher power and my spiritual being. Long story made short, I just wanted to say, "Thank you" icon_smile.gif
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    May 22, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
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    barefootdude said
    meninlove said Yes, but only if you repent your homosexuality, right barefootdude?



    Not true. If you or others don't beleive homosexuality is a sin, then you can 't repent of something that you don't know or feel is wrong. But obviosly you can't be a hypocrite. If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel. Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver. We are all doing sins for sure that we don't always realize are sins.. God forgives even things we don't know are sins. Unbelief is the only thing that damns. Obviously an unbeliever doesn't care whether God likes what he is doing or not, he;ll do it just to spite him. icon_sad.gif

    Gay Christians are not acting that way .

    Of course, it's so simple. God gives us all the natural impulse to question everything around us and then condemns all who use it. My my. What a loving God to give free will and then condemn you to the bowels of hell for using it. Be gay, but never act upon it. Eat what you will, but leave this one tree alone. Such love to create everything in the universe and then blame all of your failures on the the one you loved above all others.



    Adam and Eve had a free will that was only in accord with God's will. That is now lost when they sinned and has affected the entire human race.. No longer do any of us have a free will that is totally in harmony with the will of God. No one does. I have thoughts and emotions that are not in harmony with God's will like even hate. At times I have to admit I have hate for some people because of what they say or do. That is sin when that feeling is there. But Christ redeemed me from EVERYTHING that is not in harmony with his will. I don't want to hate, but at times I do and that and many other things I have been redeemed from. by Christ.

    I dont ever get up in the morning and say I want to hate today, but it happens beyond my control. But just because it happens beyond my control, doesn;t make it any less sinful for me.
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    May 22, 2010 4:03 AM GMT
    barefootdude said
    BeingThePhoenix said
    barefootdude said
    meninlove said Yes, but only if you repent your homosexuality, right barefootdude?



    Not true. If you or others don't beleive homosexuality is a sin, then you can 't repent of something that you don't know or feel is wrong. But obviosly you can't be a hypocrite. If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel. Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver. We are all doing sins for sure that we don't always realize are sins.. God forgives even things we don't know are sins. Unbelief is the only thing that damns. Obviously an unbeliever doesn't care whether God likes what he is doing or not, he;ll do it just to spite him. icon_sad.gif

    Gay Christians are not acting that way .

    Of course, it's so simple. God gives us all the natural impulse to question everything around us and then condemns all who use it. My my. What a loving God to give free will and then condemn you to the bowels of hell for using it. Be gay, but never act upon it. Eat what you will, but leave this one tree alone. Such love to create everything in the universe and then blame all of your failures on the the one you loved above all others.



    Adam and Eve had a free will that was only in accord with God's will. That is now lost when they sinned and has affected the entire human race.. No longer do any of us have a free will that is totally in harmony with the will of God. No one does. I have thoughts and emotions that are not in harmony with God's will like even hate. At times I have to admit I have hate for some people because of what they say or do. That is sin when that feeling is there. But Christ redeemed me from EVERYTHING that is not in harmony with his will. I don't want to hate, but at times I do and that and many other things I have been redeemed from. by Christ.

    1. If it is in accord with someone else's will, then it isn't "FREE WILL".
    2. Why would a God who claims to be a loving God punish the entire human race because of two people?
    3. I don't recall hate as being a sin. Maybe I missed that one.

    I fail to understand how anyone in todays society can still beleive in the Bible. A God or a divine creator, maybe...but the Bible?
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    May 22, 2010 4:10 AM GMT
    Devoted saidbarefootdude:

    Recently, I have been working on finding my spiritual being, again. When I was younger, I was very active in the church (and when I say younger, I mean like 4-11 years old). I knew the scripture, I lived by it, and I presented it to others in a non-forceful manner and with complete unbias and total understanding.

    During 6th grade I encountered something that I, for some reason, could not get pass. This changed me and molded me into something I never thought I would become. After years of self-work, I want to get back into my old ways of belief intertwined with my new understanding and acceptance of myself.

    Anyway, reading what you originally posted, along with help from other friends and family members, has helped to add another piece to reconnecting with my higher power and my spiritual being. Long story made short, I just wanted to say, "Thank you" icon_smile.gif


    Your welcome. Being gay does not mean God doesn't love you. He does and so does Jesus and he's done everything necessary for you to be in heaven just like anyone else. Do you think Christian str8 people do not wrestle with other things that also are not in harmony with God's will? They all do. EVERY single one of them do. But God has done EVERYTHING necessary for EVERYONE to be in heaven. The Bible is unmistakably clear about this but Satan is trying to drive a wedge between gays and God because he KNOWS he is damned and he wantrs everyone else damned with him to get back at God. He hates God and doesn't want God to have you. But God is telling you that you are absolutely his because of Christ. Satan's time is quicky coming to an end and he knows it. He is defeated.
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    May 22, 2010 4:10 AM GMT
    Well, that filled up my vapid bullshit cup for the day.
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    May 22, 2010 4:17 AM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix said
    barefootdude said
    BeingThePhoenix said
    barefootdude said
    meninlove said Yes, but only if you repent your homosexuality, right barefootdude?



    Not true. If you or others don't beleive homosexuality is a sin, then you can 't repent of something that you don't know or feel is wrong. But obviosly you can't be a hypocrite. If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel. Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver. We are all doing sins for sure that we don't always realize are sins.. God forgives even things we don't know are sins. Unbelief is the only thing that damns. Obviously an unbeliever doesn't care whether God likes what he is doing or not, he;ll do it just to spite him. icon_sad.gif

    Gay Christians are not acting that way .

    Of course, it's so simple. God gives us all the natural impulse to question everything around us and then condemns all who use it. My my. What a loving God to give free will and then condemn you to the bowels of hell for using it. Be gay, but never act upon it. Eat what you will, but leave this one tree alone. Such love to create everything in the universe and then blame all of your failures on the the one you loved above all others.



    Adam and Eve had a free will that was only in accord with God's will. That is now lost when they sinned and has affected the entire human race.. No longer do any of us have a free will that is totally in harmony with the will of God. No one does. I have thoughts and emotions that are not in harmony with God's will like even hate. At times I have to admit I have hate for some people because of what they say or do. That is sin when that feeling is there. But Christ redeemed me from EVERYTHING that is not in harmony with his will. I don't want to hate, but at times I do and that and many other things I have been redeemed from. by Christ.

    1. If it is in accord with someone else's will, then it isn't "FREE WILL".
    2. Why would a God who claims to be a loving God punish the entire human race because of two people?
    3. I don't recall hate as being a sin. Maybe I missed that one.

    I fail to understand how anyone in todays society can still beleive in the Bible. A God or a divine creator, maybe...but the Bible?


    It isn;t just someone else;s will. We are free to love God and in heaven we will perfectly love him because WE WANT TO. That will not just be God;s will, but that will be OUR WILL. And that is the only will that we will have because it will be OUR WILL We won't have any other will because our will will be restored the way we were.
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    May 22, 2010 4:22 AM GMT
    More fallacy, barefootdude, "There will be some people who comitted murder who will be in heaven because God says so. And there really are gay Christians who TRULY don't think they are sinning."

    Except that most christian faiths have rammed it down the throat of everyone for years that it is a sin, just look at the prop 8 ads that blanketed the airwaves as a small small example and you'd be hard pressed to find one gay man that hasn't been informed in one way or another that he's a sin. More bogus positioning.
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    May 22, 2010 4:22 AM GMT
    all these negative comments only serve to stoke his joan-of-arc complex. im sure he sees himself as some sort of saint whos been jeered at and abused in his lifetime and when he dies god will give him a glowing report.

    jesus christ.
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    May 22, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix said
    barefootdude said
    BeingThePhoenix said
    barefootdude said
    meninlove said Yes, but only if you repent your homosexuality, right barefootdude?



    Not true. If you or others don't beleive homosexuality is a sin, then you can 't repent of something that you don't know or feel is wrong. But obviosly you can't be a hypocrite. If you know it is wrong and you continue to do it without feeling sorry or bad about it, then you truly don't believe that God loves you which is faith in the gospel. Gay Christians will be saved because they are not doing anything that is a sin TO THEM and so they are repentant of their sins as a beleiver. We are all doing sins for sure that we don't always realize are sins.. God forgives even things we don't know are sins. Unbelief is the only thing that damns. Obviously an unbeliever doesn't care whether God likes what he is doing or not, he;ll do it just to spite him. icon_sad.gif

    Gay Christians are not acting that way .

    Of course, it's so simple. God gives us all the natural impulse to question everything around us and then condemns all who use it. My my. What a loving God to give free will and then condemn you to the bowels of hell for using it. Be gay, but never act upon it. Eat what you will, but leave this one tree alone. Such love to create everything in the universe and then blame all of your failures on the the one you loved above all others.



    Adam and Eve had a free will that was only in accord with God's will. That is now lost when they sinned and has affected the entire human race.. No longer do any of us have a free will that is totally in harmony with the will of God. No one does. I have thoughts and emotions that are not in harmony with God's will like even hate. At times I have to admit I have hate for some people because of what they say or do. That is sin when that feeling is there. But Christ redeemed me from EVERYTHING that is not in harmony with his will. I don't want to hate, but at times I do and that and many other things I have been redeemed from. by Christ.

    1. If it is in accord with someone else's will, then it isn't "FREE WILL".
    2. Why would a God who claims to be a loving God punish the entire human race because of two people?
    3. I don't recall hate as being a sin. Maybe I missed that one.

    I fail to understand how anyone in todays society can still beleive in the Bible. A God or a divine creator, maybe...but the Bible?


    The Bible itself does NOT have the bullshit that many Bible preachers are feeding you. The bullshit is coming from churches and preachers of the Bible NOT the BIble itself. I bet you have not even read the whole Bible, but have simply heard from some windbag preacher or priest was telling you. You would be suprised how much you have been told is not in the Bible from purgatory to the immaculate conception of Mary and TONS of other shit.
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    May 22, 2010 4:25 AM GMT
    Thanks _gingin, point taken and noted.
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    May 22, 2010 4:31 AM GMT
    meninlove saidMore fallacy, barefootdude, "There will be some people who comitted murder who will be in heaven because God says so. And there really are gay Christians who TRULY don't think they are sinning."

    Except that most christian faiths have rammed it down the throat of everyone for years that it is a sin, just look at the prop 8 ads that blanketed the airwaves as a small small example and you'd be hard pressed to find one gay man that hasn't been informed in one way or another that he's a sin. More bogus positioning.


    And didn;t I just get done telling you that ALL Christians are sinful because God says so. This just confirms the truth of the Bible because if some Christians were not sinful than the Bible would be wrong that all Christians are sinful. And yes the Bible does say hate is a sin. It even calls it the same as murder.
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    May 22, 2010 4:33 AM GMT
    _gingin saidall these negative comments only serve to stoke his joan-of-arc complex. im sure he sees himself as some sort of saint whos been jeered at and abused in his lifetime and when he dies god will give him a glowing report.

    jesus christ.


    No I don't. That is your false perception again.
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    May 22, 2010 4:37 AM GMT
    Omatix saidWell, that filled up my vapid bullshit cup for the day.


    I don;t know why you guys who hate religion come into a religious forum.. And then you gripe about the religious things you hear in hear. If you don;t like religion, then stay out of religious forums.