Now Arizona wants illegals!!!! OOPS!!!!

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    May 20, 2010 5:29 AM GMT
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    May 20, 2010 5:51 AM GMT
    That clip shows very clearly the extreme ineptitude and idiocy of the Republican politicians we're saddled with here in AZ.

    They pushed through a bunch of racist anti-immigrant "laws" to try to get their lame asses reelected, and now that they're realizing that what they've done is costing AZ big bucks and worsening the bad economic picture here, they're flip-flopping and trying to undo all the damage they've done.

    They should all be booted out of office this Nov.
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    May 20, 2010 5:55 AM GMT
    HAaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha

    What a load of fuckwits. Didn´t they realise what is obvious to everyone else: their economy is dependant on (illegal) immigrants.
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    May 20, 2010 1:35 PM GMT

    Well d'oh.
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    May 20, 2010 1:41 PM GMT
    One of my most favorite things is to watch idiots collide with reality.
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    May 20, 2010 1:46 PM GMT
    This will be very interesting to watch how this unfolds!
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    May 20, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
    WOW!!! I didn't realize that republicans in arizona sound just like republicans in Mississippi. Hahaha, We want you to come work, but guess what, I don't like you, I don't want to see your family, your kids, etc. I wonder if they'll ever have a great reputation now.
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    May 20, 2010 1:51 PM GMT
    Stupid F-heads should just called it as a new slave program ... stupid idiots! Please come to Arizona and slave your asses and by the way, please don't breath our air.

    BOYCOTT BIGOT IDIOTS
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    May 20, 2010 1:51 PM GMT
    This is not at all surprising. too bad what's-his-face took down his initial post about the Arizona law wherein rather racist ideology was espoused in justifying this law, particularly keeping the WalMart aisles he frequents free of those he deems unworthy to clog his walkways--as opposed to logic-- because there was a decent discussion on how this law would be disastrous for AZ's economy both from enforcement and deportation AND the loss of workers.

    Good to see that shortsightedness is biting them in the ass, at least now there can be better change in the immigration process as opposed to this seeming knee-jerk reaction. It's unfortunate that in order for a fairer, more comprehensive solution to a legitimate problem has to come at the cost of small businesses, but you know kids these days: "F*ckin' with [their] cash is the only thing [these] kids seem to understand!"

    Furthermore the proposed plan for indentured servitude without legal protection seems a little off kilter to me.
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    May 20, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
    It didn't take a psychic to see that one coming.
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    May 20, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
    With high unemployment among lower earners in many other states AZ should advertise out of state. Could even offer incentives to get people to move in AZ. I mean even if it costs money they should benefit from an influx of tax paying citizens. I don't think illegals pay taxes.
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    May 20, 2010 2:09 PM GMT
    ATC84 saidWith high unemployment among lower earners in many other states AZ should advertise out of state. Could even offer incentives to get people to move in AZ. I mean even if it costs money they should benefit from an influx of tax paying citizens. I don't think illegals pay taxes.


    I.e. recruit unemployed low income people with no assets and few marketable skills to migrate across the country, just like the Oakies in the Great Depression -- Grapes-of-Wrath-like, to take all those entry-level gardening, housekeeping, dish washing, manual labor, no-high-school-degree-required jobs that citizens of our great land haven't done for generations? I mean, the advertising copy for the PSA just leaps off the page, doesn't it?

    Sometimes really good sarcasm escapes me, so I apologize if I didn't pick up on yours.
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    May 20, 2010 2:13 PM GMT
    dont bite the hand that builds your buildings, plants your gardens, drives your kids school bus, or opens really bad ass taco stands. icon_eek.gif
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    May 20, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
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    I.e. recruit unemployed low income people with no assets and few marketable skills to migrate across the country, just like the Oakies in the Great Depression -- Grapes-of-Wrath-like, to take all those entry-level gardening, housekeeping, dish washing, manual labor, no-high-school-degree-required jobs that citizens of our great land haven't done for generations? I mean, the advertising copy for the PSA just leaps off the page, doesn't it?

    Sometimes really good sarcasm escapes me, so I apologize if I didn't pick up on yours.


    So then if we don't want the jobs then just let the two governments work on getting workers here legally for temporary employment or as needed.
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    May 20, 2010 2:21 PM GMT
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    ATC84 saidWith high unemployment among lower earners in many other states AZ should advertise out of state. Could even offer incentives to get people to move in AZ. I mean even if it costs money they should benefit from an influx of tax paying citizens. I don't think illegals pay taxes.


    I.e. recruit unemployed low income people with no assets and few marketable skills to migrate across the country, just like the Oakies in the Great Depression -- Grapes-of-Wrath-like, to take all those entry-level gardening, housekeeping, dish washing, manual labor, no-high-school-degree-required jobs that citizens of our great land haven't done for generations? I mean, the advertising copy for the PSA just leaps off the page, doesn't it?

    Sometimes really good sarcasm escapes me, so I apologize if I didn't pick up on yours.


    Who doesn't want to end up suckling on Rose of Sharon's teat? Perhaps that could be the opening scene of the PSA. It leaves huge room for interpretation, is it the dug of AZ on which the unwashed, uneducated masses will be suckling? Powerful imagery! And to think that I wrote off Steinbeck as a second-rate author (but then again he did write The Pearl).
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    May 20, 2010 2:27 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidOne of my most favorite things is to watch idiots collide with reality.


    Hey you better be careful. You put idiots in a super collider and smack them into reality you will annihilate the Universe.
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    May 20, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    I posted this also last week. Even though it was in 2008 before the recession it was kinda ironic icon_redface.gif
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    May 20, 2010 2:35 PM GMT
    ATC84 saidSo then if we don't want the jobs then where is the problem with letting Mexicans back in but through legitimized government involvement.


    The "problem" is that the laws of economics, just like the laws of physics, ALWAYS trump "legitimized government involvement."

    For evidence, take a good macro economics 101 course, or do a little reading on the topic -- you'll learn of uncountable examples of times where "legitimized government involvement" fails to overturn these laws, e.g. price controls, currency controls, protectionism, and yes, immigration controls.

    When fear and ignorance takes the place of "legitimized government involvement," it's ALWAYS a fail. Arizona is a classic case that will be taught in econ courses very soon now, right along with Nixon's price controls in the 70's. (Yes -- a REPUBLICAN president instituting socialist price controls! -- but of course, we can't talk about Nixon -- Ronald Reagan only, please).

    Oh, and BTW, according to these laws of economics: there is no "problem." It's just a market. The labor market. It is regulated by supply and demand. It miraculously runs itself -- well, unless "legitimized government involvement" gets all "fear and ignorance" on its ass.

    Arizona's fears that "illegals" are:

    o Causing crime
    o Causing traffic accidents
    o Causing unemployment
    o Causing countless other things that Michelle Bachman, Sara Palin, and Glenn Beck I'm sure could enumerate

    Are all just ignorant BULLSHIT.

    Riddle me this: when the housing bubble was BOOMING in AZ, setting up that state's huge fall as it recovers from its drunken stupor, do you think the number of illegals was higher, lower, or just the same as it is now? Think about the level of economic activity and how it drives the labor market before you answer. Then, when you figure that one out, ask yourself why you never heard about illegals and all the "problems" they caused back then? Why did John McCain say the wall was a stupid idea back then and got impaled by his own party, along with our former president, on a failed attempt at immigration reform, but now that the economy sucks and he's running for re-election, he thinks the wall is a peachy keen idea?

    Why does it seem that only when there is an economic downturn that the drumbeat of "illegals" starts being sounded by politicians eager for a fantasy wedge issue that appeals to unthinking idiots? This isn't the first time this has happened. History repeats itself over an over for those who refuse to study it.
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    May 20, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
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    May 20, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    ATC84 saidWith high unemployment among lower earners in many other states AZ should advertise out of state. Could even offer incentives to get people to move in AZ. I mean even if it costs money they should benefit from an influx of tax paying citizens. I don't think illegals pay taxes.


    actually, you couldn't be more wrong.

    http://news.jornal.us/article-5007.Myths-Affecting-the-Comprehensive-Immigration-Reform--Debate.html

    Myth #3: The United States spends billions on welfare for undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive welfare benefits – ever. Even legal, permanent residents are severely limited when it comes to the benefits they can receive. They must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for about 10 years before they are eligible to receive retirement benefits. Furthermore, the percentage of U.S.- born children of immigrants – documented and undocumented – who are eligible for federal assistance is declining.
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    May 20, 2010 3:43 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAll the posts here on this topic remind me of how insulated and lemming-like the "gay community" is - in their political views especially.

    It's sad. icon_sad.gif


    OMG, don't agree with you; if anything it is the narrow minded thinking that you postulate repeatedly on the forums that creeps me out. It seems absent of humanity considering that if your positions were accepted you'd be one of the first on a spike. Afterall aren't you an ungodly, immoral twisted fucken homo. Well, atleast that's the underscored republican opinion.

    Now that is sad!
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    May 20, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAll the posts here on this topic remind me of how insulated and lemming-like the "gay community" is - in their political views especially.

    It's sad. icon_sad.gif


    Aren't you the one always bemoaning how you hate posts based on pathos and that you're tired of people not using facts?
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    May 20, 2010 3:49 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAll the posts here on this topic remind me of how insulated and lemming-like the "gay community" is - in their political views especially.

    It's sad. icon_sad.gif

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    May 20, 2010 3:54 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    southbeach1500 saidAll the posts here on this topic remind me of how insulated and lemming-like the "gay community" is - in their political views especially.

    It's sad. icon_sad.gif

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