The only thing blocking the federal immigration reform bill from being passed is...

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    the REPUBLICANS in Congress.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    President Obama is going to push for the comprehensive immigration reform policy we need, but it will only become law if the Republicans in Congress come to the table in good faith.
    If they continue to say "Hell NO" and obstruct the reform and progress we need, then nothing will change.

    Republican AZ governor Jan Brewer has said that the racist AZ immigration "law" she signed was necessary because Washington hasn't acted to pass an immigration bill.
    Now we know which members of Congress to blame for Washington not getting a reform bill passed.
    The obstructing party of "Hell NO".
    The "Party First" Republicans.

    Will they ever start putting "Country First" and work with Democrats to help solve the immigration problem?
    Or do they care more about trying to block Obama and the Democrats from getting something done that will help the American people, and that would be a victory for the president?
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    rickrick91 saidthe REPUBLICANS in Congress.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    President Obama is going to push for the comprehensive immigration reform policy we need, but it will only become law if the Republicans in Congress come to the table in good faith.
    If they continue to say "Hell NO" and obstruct the reform and progress we need, then nothing will change.

    Republican AZ governor Jan Brewer has said that the racist AZ immigration "law" she signed was necessary because Washington hasn't acted to pass an immigration bill.
    Now we know which members of Congress to blame for Washington not getting a reform bill passed.
    The obstructing party of "Hell NO".
    The "Party First" Republicans.

    Will they ever start putting "Country First" and work with Democrats to help solve the immigration problem?
    Or do they care more about trying to block Obama and the Democrats from getting something done that will help the American people, and that would be a victory for the president?



    The political system is broken......A REVOLUTION like the good old days is needed!!!
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    May 20, 2010 11:01 AM GMT
    The Republicans don't want to pass immigration reform because the businesses they count on for donations count on undocumented workers to exploit. Then they use those same workers to create agitation and fear within those poor and working class people who are still allied with them.

    Similarly, they don't really want to outlaw abortion because it's too good of a wedge issue.
  • coolarmydude

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    May 20, 2010 1:08 PM GMT
    If Obama cared about doing something on immigration reform, he would have done it last year like he promised to do in his first year of getting elected. I wouldn't hold my breath...
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    May 20, 2010 2:54 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidthe REPUBLICANS in Congress.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    President Obama is going to push for the comprehensive immigration reform policy we need, but it will only become law if the Republicans in Congress come to the table in good faith.
    If they continue to say "Hell NO" and obstruct the reform and progress we need, then nothing will change.

    Republican AZ governor Jan Brewer has said that the racist AZ immigration "law" she signed was necessary because Washington hasn't acted to pass an immigration bill.
    Now we know which members of Congress to blame for Washington not getting a reform bill passed.
    The obstructing party of "Hell NO".
    The "Party First" Republicans.

    Will they ever start putting "Country First" and work with Democrats to help solve the immigration problem?
    Or do they care more about trying to block Obama and the Democrats from getting something done that will help the American people, and that would be a victory for the president?




    You really are a piece of work. You really do need some new material, RickRick. This same old blah blah blah is getting to be a snoozefest.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 saidthe REPUBLICANS in Congress.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    President Obama is going to push for the comprehensive immigration reform policy we need, but it will only become law if the Republicans in Congress come to the table in good faith.
    If they continue to say "Hell NO" and obstruct the reform and progress we need, then nothing will change.

    Republican AZ governor Jan Brewer has said that the racist AZ immigration "law" she signed was necessary because Washington hasn't acted to pass an immigration bill.
    Now we know which members of Congress to blame for Washington not getting a reform bill passed.
    The obstructing party of "Hell NO".
    The "Party First" Republicans.

    Will they ever start putting "Country First" and work with Democrats to help solve the immigration problem?
    Or do they care more about trying to block Obama and the Democrats from getting something done that will help the American people, and that would be a victory for the president?




    You really are a piece of work. You really do need some new material, RickRick. This same old blah blah blah is getting to be a snoozefest.


    The only reason all the "old blah blah" is coming back is because the US govt consistently fails to address the issues.

    Let's all shut up about same sex marriage, DADT, immigration reform, legalization of pot, bank bailouts, and everything else.

    Let's also just stop talking about that oil spill in the Gulf. If we all keep quiet, I'm sure the leak will plug itself icon_rolleyes.gif
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    rickrick91 saidthe REPUBLICANS in Congress.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    President Obama is going to push for the comprehensive immigration reform policy we need, but it will only become law if the Republicans in Congress come to the table in good faith.
    If they continue to say "Hell NO" and obstruct the reform and progress we need, then nothing will change.

    Republican AZ governor Jan Brewer has said that the racist AZ immigration "law" she signed was necessary because Washington hasn't acted to pass an immigration bill.
    Now we know which members of Congress to blame for Washington not getting a reform bill passed.
    The obstructing party of "Hell NO".
    The "Party First" Republicans.

    Will they ever start putting "Country First" and work with Democrats to help solve the immigration problem?
    Or do they care more about trying to block Obama and the Democrats from getting something done that will help the American people, and that would be a victory for the president?



    The political system is broken......A REVOLUTION like the good old days is needed!!!


    Will you be heading this revolution? Can I be the flag bearer?

    Edit:
    Actually, anyone interested in rewriting the constitution?
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    May 20, 2010 6:01 PM GMT
    I urge every guy on here to call their congressperson and demand that Congress start enforcing current immigration law.Finish the border fence,support a biometric ID Card for all US Citizens and begin deporting illegal aliens of any race.If any politician supports amnesty or open borders dont vote for them.
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    southbeach1500 said
    M0rp43u5 said
    Actually, anyone interested in rewriting the constitution?

    Most guys on here would be interested in that. Many of the positions they advocate, such as the support of the new healthcare plan where the government is going to force citzens to purchase health insurance from private companies, is unconstitutional.


    You say that like you know it for a fact. Are you an expert on Constitutional law? I am not one, as I freely admit.
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    rickrick91 saidthe REPUBLICANS in Congress.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    President Obama is going to push for the comprehensive immigration reform policy we need, but it will only become law if the Republicans in Congress come to the table in good faith.
    If they continue to say "Hell NO" and obstruct the reform and progress we need, then nothing will change.

    Republican AZ governor Jan Brewer has said that the racist AZ immigration "law" she signed was necessary because Washington hasn't acted to pass an immigration bill.
    Now we know which members of Congress to blame for Washington not getting a reform bill passed.
    The obstructing party of "Hell NO".
    The "Party First" Republicans.

    Will they ever start putting "Country First" and work with Democrats to help solve the immigration problem?
    Or do they care more about trying to block Obama and the Democrats from getting something done that will help the American people, and that would be a victory for the president?




    You really are a piece of work. You really do need some new material, RickRick. This same old blah blah blah is getting to be a snoozefest.



    Facts are facts.
    They don't change to keep you entertained.
    When the Republicans stop playing politics and start putting the American people first, then the "material" will change.
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    May 20, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
    The beautiful thing about the bill is that page twenty-something includes a requirement that long-term partners of gay people from other countries (civil union or marriage) will be eligible for green card sponsorship just like straight married people.

    The sad thing is that this will probably be given up to the Republicans as a bargaining chip in order to pass the bill.

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    danisnotstr8 saidThe beautiful thing about the bill is that page twenty-something includes a requirement that long-term partners of gay people from other countries (civil union or marriage) will be eligible for green card sponsorship just like straight married people.

    The sad thing is that this will probably be given up to the Republicans as a bargaining chip in order to pass the bill.



    ANOTHER great reason to go the polls and vote for more progressive candidates in the primaries, and for Democratic candidates in Nov.
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    I don't know if it is curse or a blessing but in my line of work I deal with politicians on a daily basis! having said I must say that Democrats are using the Immigration reform as a means to get more votes in the coming elections, and not necessarily because they care for the immigrants of this country of ours. Meanwhile there are millions of Americans who are struggling and are being left in the dust. If Democrats don't change their priorities soon the majority of the voters will look elsewhere for support in the coming elections.


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    ALEZANDAR saidI don't know if it is curse or a blessing but in my line of work I deal with politicians on a daily basis! having said I must say that Democrats are using the Immigration reform as a means to get more votes in the coming elections, and not necessarily because they care for the immigrants of this country of ours. Meanwhile there are millions of Americans who are struggling and are being left in the dust. If Democrats don't change their priorities soon the majority of the voters will look elsewhere for support in the coming elections.


    Leandro ♥



    What a LARGE stinking load of TOTAL BS.

    It's the REPUBLICANS in AZ who crafted and passed the racist and illegal "law" that's caused such a huge backlash.
    It's right-wing mouthpiece Fox "News" that's covering the immigration law so heavily, stoking the fires of anti-immigrant anti-latino anger with the base of the Republican party.

    The FACTS of how and why the immigration issue has blown up in such a major way prove that it's the Repubs who are bringing it up to try to get the racist Republican base to the polls in Nov.

    Meanwhile - in Washington, the Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to block and obstruct the real comprehensive immigration reform we need - for selfish partisan political reasons - i.e. getting their lame asses reelected.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    Let's all watch the actions of the Republicans closely to see if they're going to help pass immigration reform on behalf of the American people, or if they're going to continue to pursue their own selfish agenda of partisan obstructionism.
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    May 21, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    Mystic_Man said
    The political system is broken......A REVOLUTION like the good old days is needed!!!


    you know people die in those things, don't you?
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    southbeach1500 said
    MenschPress said
    You say that like you know it for a fact. Are you an expert on Constitutional law? I am not one, as I freely admit.

    Yep, on this issue I am. Start your research with the "commerce clause" and you'll see that there is nothing in the Constitution which says the Federal government has the power to compel a citizen to purchase a good or service from a private entity.

    Remember, the Constitution is there as the guidelines for what the Federal government is supposed to do. All things that aren't mentioned in the Constitution are the purview of the states.


    damn, beach. it's a freaking wonder the AZ governor doesn't have you on speed dial.
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    rangard said
    Mystic_Man said
    The political system is broken......A REVOLUTION like the good old days is needed!!!


    you know people die in those things, don't you?


    I can personally revolt..with out dieing....It's a disaster. I have no faith in our corrupt and self centered system....
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    May 21, 2010 4:01 AM GMT
    Finish building the wall, from sea to shining sea, add razor wire, then electrify it, and.....................problem solved !
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    ALEZANDAR saidI don't know if it is curse or a blessing but in my line of work I deal with politicians on a daily basis! having said I must say that Democrats are using the Immigration reform as a means to get more votes in the coming elections, and not necessarily because they care for the immigrants of this country of ours. Meanwhile there are millions of Americans who are struggling and are being left in the dust. If Democrats don't change their priorities soon the majority of the voters will look elsewhere for support in the coming elections.


    Leandro ♥



    What a LARGE stinking load of TOTAL BS.

    It's the REPUBLICANS in AZ who crafted and passed the racist and illegal "law" that's caused such a huge backlash.
    It's right-wing mouthpiece Fox "News" that's covering the immigration law so heavily, stoking the fires of anti-immigrant anti-latino anger with the base of the Republican party.

    The FACTS of how and why the immigration issue has blown up in such a major way prove that it's the Repubs who are bringing it up to try to get the racist Republican base to the polls in Nov.

    Meanwhile - in Washington, the Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to block and obstruct the real comprehensive immigration reform we need - for selfish partisan political reasons - i.e. getting their lame asses reelected.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    Let's all watch the actions of the Republicans closely to see if they're going to help pass immigration reform on behalf of the American people, or if they're going to continue to pursue their own selfish agenda of partisan obstructionism.



    Voters like you is what every corrupt politician dream for their survival and support! the fact of the matter is that every politician I know from every political party in my own personal experience are all in for their own interests and not yours or mine! go ahead and sugarcoat your sympathy for those who break the law if you like! I for one will continue to support any law that will help deterred those who abuse the system.


    Leandro ♥
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    May 21, 2010 4:49 AM GMT
    Is it not strange that when Liberals and Conservatives try to do the Same Thing in different ways, everyone seems to have their heads in the sand?

    Point blank. We need to know WHO is in our country...not to deny someone a job, but to prevent dangerous people from being here. A huge Berlin wall is not the answer because...

    a) Impossible to build in any reasonable time-frame
    b) Far more costly than system improvements
    c) would still require policing - probably causing (more) violence

    Reform:

    - Increased tax revenue from documented workers
    - incentives for immigrants to have more fruitful lives (semi-legal status)
    - STOPS the Coyote's (violent human traffickers)
    - Control over WHO can come in.

    If people start to flow through the proper channels (IE Border crossings with cards) than the efforts on the border will be more controlled and effective - the only people crossing over illegally would probably be the ones to really go after.

    I am not going to fault some young guy who wants t take care of his family (and can't find work at home). But the times square thing was a wake up call. Its not personal, its about security.

    But alas, this is not a new topic. icon_neutral.gif
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    rickrick91 said
    ALEZANDAR saidI don't know if it is curse or a blessing but in my line of work I deal with politicians on a daily basis! having said I must say that Democrats are using the Immigration reform as a means to get more votes in the coming elections, and not necessarily because they care for the immigrants of this country of ours. Meanwhile there are millions of Americans who are struggling and are being left in the dust. If Democrats don't change their priorities soon the majority of the voters will look elsewhere for support in the coming elections.


    Leandro ♥



    What a LARGE stinking load of TOTAL BS.

    It's the REPUBLICANS in AZ who crafted and passed the racist and illegal "law" that's caused such a huge backlash.
    It's right-wing mouthpiece Fox "News" that's covering the immigration law so heavily, stoking the fires of anti-immigrant anti-latino anger with the base of the Republican party.

    The FACTS of how and why the immigration issue has blown up in such a major way prove that it's the Repubs who are bringing it up to try to get the racist Republican base to the polls in Nov.

    Meanwhile - in Washington, the Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to block and obstruct the real comprehensive immigration reform we need - for selfish partisan political reasons - i.e. getting their lame asses reelected.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    Let's all watch the actions of the Republicans closely to see if they're going to help pass immigration reform on behalf of the American people, or if they're going to continue to pursue their own selfish agenda of partisan obstructionism.



    Voters like you is what every corrupt politician dream for their survival and support! the fact of the matter is that every politician I know from every political party in my own personal experience are all in for their own interests and not yours or mine! go ahead and sugarcoat your sympathy for those who break the law if you like! I for one will continue to support any law that will help deterred those who abuse the system.


    Leandro ♥


    As my comment clearly states - I judge politicians on their ACTIONS, and I therefore FAIRLY blame the Republicans for using the immigration issue as a divisive wedge issue to try and get elected - because the facts show that that's what they've done.
    There's nothing unfair about judging politicians for what they do.
    AND, as I said I will be watching to see what the politicians/parties in Washington DO moving forward.

    If you think that "every corrupt politician" wants to be judged on what they DO, instead of the BS lies they SAY - then you're a FOOL.
    SO, your claim that I'm "what every corrupt politician" dreams of for survival - is 100% BS.
    After all, I haven't voted for a REPUBLICAN since the 1980's - so the CORRUPT politicians are clearly not depending on me for their survival.
    They depend on the votes of FOOLS.
    Like yourself.
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    ALEZANDAR said
    rickrick91 said
    ALEZANDAR saidI don't know if it is curse or a blessing but in my line of work I deal with politicians on a daily basis! having said I must say that Democrats are using the Immigration reform as a means to get more votes in the coming elections, and not necessarily because they care for the immigrants of this country of ours. Meanwhile there are millions of Americans who are struggling and are being left in the dust. If Democrats don't change their priorities soon the majority of the voters will look elsewhere for support in the coming elections.


    Leandro ♥



    What a LARGE stinking load of TOTAL BS.

    It's the REPUBLICANS in AZ who crafted and passed the racist and illegal "law" that's caused such a huge backlash.
    It's right-wing mouthpiece Fox "News" that's covering the immigration law so heavily, stoking the fires of anti-immigrant anti-latino anger with the base of the Republican party.

    The FACTS of how and why the immigration issue has blown up in such a major way prove that it's the Repubs who are bringing it up to try to get the racist Republican base to the polls in Nov.

    Meanwhile - in Washington, the Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to block and obstruct the real comprehensive immigration reform we need - for selfish partisan political reasons - i.e. getting their lame asses reelected.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    Let's all watch the actions of the Republicans closely to see if they're going to help pass immigration reform on behalf of the American people, or if they're going to continue to pursue their own selfish agenda of partisan obstructionism.



    Voters like you is what every corrupt politician dream for their survival and support! the fact of the matter is that every politician I know from every political party in my own personal experience are all in for their own interests and not yours or mine! go ahead and sugarcoat your sympathy for those who break the law if you like! I for one will continue to support any law that will help deterred those who abuse the system.


    Leandro ♥


    As my comment clearly states - I judge politicians on their ACTIONS, and I therefore FAIRLY blame the Republicans for using the immigration issue as a divisive wedge issue to try and get elected - because the facts show that that's what they've done.
    There's nothing unfair about judging politicians for what they do.
    AND, as I said I will be watching to see what the politicians/parties in Washington DO moving forward.

    If you think that "every corrupt politician" wants to be judged on what they DO, instead of the BS lies they SAY - then you're a FOOL.
    SO, your claim that I'm "what every corrupt politician" dreams of for survival - is 100% BS.
    After all, I haven't voted for a REPUBLICAN since the 1980's - so the CORRUPT politicians are clearly not depending on me for their survival.
    They depend on the votes of FOOLS.
    Like yourself.



    I dunno! but if your argument and that of the Democrats is to protect the criminal element that enter by the thousands each year into our borders is humane and out of compassion, than I have nothing else to add to this topic.

    Leandro ♥
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    rickrick91 said
    ALEZANDAR said
    rickrick91 said
    ALEZANDAR saidI don't know if it is curse or a blessing but in my line of work I deal with politicians on a daily basis! having said I must say that Democrats are using the Immigration reform as a means to get more votes in the coming elections, and not necessarily because they care for the immigrants of this country of ours. Meanwhile there are millions of Americans who are struggling and are being left in the dust. If Democrats don't change their priorities soon the majority of the voters will look elsewhere for support in the coming elections.


    Leandro ♥



    What a LARGE stinking load of TOTAL BS.

    It's the REPUBLICANS in AZ who crafted and passed the racist and illegal "law" that's caused such a huge backlash.
    It's right-wing mouthpiece Fox "News" that's covering the immigration law so heavily, stoking the fires of anti-immigrant anti-latino anger with the base of the Republican party.

    The FACTS of how and why the immigration issue has blown up in such a major way prove that it's the Repubs who are bringing it up to try to get the racist Republican base to the polls in Nov.

    Meanwhile - in Washington, the Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to block and obstruct the real comprehensive immigration reform we need - for selfish partisan political reasons - i.e. getting their lame asses reelected.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

    Let's all watch the actions of the Republicans closely to see if they're going to help pass immigration reform on behalf of the American people, or if they're going to continue to pursue their own selfish agenda of partisan obstructionism.



    Voters like you is what every corrupt politician dream for their survival and support! the fact of the matter is that every politician I know from every political party in my own personal experience are all in for their own interests and not yours or mine! go ahead and sugarcoat your sympathy for those who break the law if you like! I for one will continue to support any law that will help deterred those who abuse the system.


    Leandro ♥


    As my comment clearly states - I judge politicians on their ACTIONS, and I therefore FAIRLY blame the Republicans for using the immigration issue as a divisive wedge issue to try and get elected - because the facts show that that's what they've done.
    There's nothing unfair about judging politicians for what they do.
    AND, as I said I will be watching to see what the politicians/parties in Washington DO moving forward.

    If you think that "every corrupt politician" wants to be judged on what they DO, instead of the BS lies they SAY - then you're a FOOL.
    SO, your claim that I'm "what every corrupt politician" dreams of for survival - is 100% BS.
    After all, I haven't voted for a REPUBLICAN since the 1980's - so the CORRUPT politicians are clearly not depending on me for their survival.
    They depend on the votes of FOOLS.
    Like yourself.



    I dunno! but if your argument and that of the Democrats is to protect the criminal element that enter by the thousands each year into our borders is humane and out of compassion, than I have nothing else to add to this topic.

    Leandro ♥


    TOTAL BS

    NO ONE is suggesting protecting "the criminal element".
    That's a total and deliberate distortion.
    The "argument" is that the rights of U.S. citizens need to be protected from illegal "laws" crafted by Republicans in a craven attempt to try to get their lame asses reelected.
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    rickrick91 saidThey depend on the votes of FOOLS.
    Like yourself.

    That wasn't very nice.

    And it was uncalled for.

    Or, to write it in RickRick-ese:

    THAT WASN'T VERY NICE.

    AND IT WAS UNCALLED FOR.




    WHINE

    You Republicans sure like to dish it out, but when it gets dished back, you start whining about how "that wasn't very nice".
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    Arizona is being overrun by illegal immigrants. The federal gov't isnt doing what is needed to secure the border. Arizona has to do something!

    If someone tried to cross into Mexico illegally and got caught, he would get 5 years in prison. Our courts release them back onto the street with a promise they will come back for a hearing! ... icon_eek.gif ... srsly!