Some people are so silly

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    May 21, 2010 2:17 AM GMT
    Completely pointless thread (first one though! yay me)


    So anyway, I've been reading a bunch of threads and trying to find the really juicy confrontational ones and I keep getting so frustrated with how bad people are at reading an argument and making a rational response that does not consist of uncalled for insults, random biases and putting words in people's mouths. I try to find the most illogical and unintelligent posts and find who is posting them, and so often they are like, well established guys. I don't get it. I'm not saying I'm perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but for the most part I know how to argue someone using only what they have said directly and with logic/reasoning.

    Oooh I'm so excited for the possibility of people discussing something in this and then me saying something that is completely hypocritical, I'm sure I'll make a fool of myself at some point =P

    Ok but yeah, that's all, anyone else frustrated with a lot of people using terrible arguments and no evidence in discussions? I know I'm probably expecting too much from the internet, but seriously I'm concerned...
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    May 21, 2010 2:21 AM GMT
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    Ok but yeah, that's all, anyone else frustrated with a lot of people using terrible arguments and no evidence in discussions?
    Can you provide evidence of this lack of evidence you speak of? icon_razz.gif
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    May 21, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    Yeah, pretty much that entire thread about obesity, I saw you in that thread so I'm sure you are familiar with it.
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    Just 5 posts under your belt and a member since 2008. Now you seek a dim and what will be a dismal spotlight. Whatever comments or judgements you've read and not participated in have come and gone w/out your angst. Now you bring to the table your critiques, criticism and judgements. Gimme a break. Police your own thoughts as it might offer insight and not some brash nonobjective jargon.
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    Just 5 posts under your belt and a member since 2008. Now you seek a dim and what will be a dismal spotlight. Whatever comments or judgements you've read and not participated in have come and gone w/out your angst. Now you bring to the table your critiques, criticism and judgements. Gimme a break. Police your own thoughts as it might offer insight and not some brash nonobjective jargon.


    Alrighty,

    a) unwarranted hostility, hurray
    b) This is a forum, not Hollywood; the fact that I almost never post should make it clear I don't care to much about people noticing me a great deal.
    c) whether or not I've contributed has no relevance to the fact that other people can be illogical and make unintelligent responses to topics.
    d) I made it clear that it was pointless at the beginning, your last few words are not news to me. I specifically said I can be guilty of this too - again, regardless of myself, it does not change the topic at hand.
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    May 21, 2010 4:46 AM GMT
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    Hillie said
    Just 5 posts under your belt and a member since 2008. Now you seek a dim and what will be a dismal spotlight. Whatever comments or judgements you've read and not participated in have come and gone w/out your angst. Now you bring to the table your critiques, criticism and judgements. Gimme a break. Police your own thoughts as it might offer insight and not some brash nonobjective jargon.


    Alrighty,

    a) unwarranted hostility, hurray
    b) This is a forum, not Hollywood; the fact that I almost never post should make it clear I don't care to much about people noticing me a great deal.
    c) whether or not I've contributed has no relevance to the fact that other people can be illogical and make unintelligent responses to topics.
    d) I made it clear that is was pointless at the beginning, your last few words are not news to me. I specifically said I can be guilty of this too - again, regardless of myself, it does not change the topic at hand.


    For starters no hostility on my end just stating my observation for my point of view.

    Please don't over value your ability to make me feel anything other than what I've shared w/ you. but since were on the net it can be somewhat tricky but take it as face value whatever that means to you and that's about your perception.

    The fact that you never post is your choice but in the forums and within these threads are friendships enemies and a scale of variables in-between. Your judgement is of someone frm the outside lking in which gives you little to no credibility. I've read nothing frm you in the past yr I've been here so who's to say your logical?

    Pls also give me insight to what you think is unintelligent as you posted a topic that is clearly meant to stir the pot and you've already said your self it was pointless. Where is the intelligence in that?

    You have made yourself judge, jury and executioner .How worthy we all are for you to finally reveal yourself. You've been lurking and now you feel the need to scold members for their behavior.

    Oh yeah I know the difference between the participation in the forums and Hollywood but thanks for what you thought might be a revelation in my education.
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    May 21, 2010 5:10 AM GMT
    You just seem to be talking in not the most friendly of ways, that's all I was trying to say about the hostility.

    Don't see any relevance to what you are feeling and this discussion...

    Credibility? Just because I don't participate largely in one forum does not imply the inability to be rational and analyze things. =/ Once again, this isn't about me, and once AGAIN, I'm not perfect and am prone to doing so myself.

    My original statement said nothing about the value of the topics being created, just the responses. In case my wording of "post" can be misunderstood, let it be clear that I mean replies - not the topic itself.

    The fifth paragraph is dramatic and provides little to the discussion; but ok sure, I am saying that its annoying to see silly responses and that certain discussions should be dealt with a level of maturity and thoughtfulness. And yes, I will admit that I don't really think its acceptable to used flawed logic and irrational behavior to prove a point.

    And lastly, I'm sure we both were well aware of the nature of this site, I was just using the comparison of the two to emphasize my lack of interest in fame or attention. (note, if people decide to start using this in conjunction with the question of "why did I post this in the first place if I didn't want attention blah blah blah", well first, that is not relevant to the topic at hand, and second, my intentions are not to draw attention to me, but to the lack of poor arguments in general - i.e. irrelevant to this particular forum)
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    May 21, 2010 6:23 AM GMT
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    May 21, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
    Hillie saidcircle.jpg


    If that circle is to imply that this discussion is just going in circles, I would have to disagree and say that its really just me proving points that you can't argue against so you use a clever little image to safely back out without having to actually admit anything. Prove me otherwise if I am the one who is mistaken.
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    May 21, 2010 3:16 PM GMT
    Lol, is that checkmate then?


    But I'll take a crack at your main topic. I don't really get frustrated because it's the internet and I have better things to do than to read things that are frustrating. As to why people post things like that on realjock, it's probably because they can't "post" things like that in the real world. Since they're probably saving their more rational and non-confrontational thoughts for real life communication with other people, it shouldn't be a surprise to see some of their most irrational arguments get posted here where, for the most part, anonymity prevents any backlash into their day to day lives.

    Basically, people post these emotional and sometimes irrational posts because realjock is a safe and mostly anonymous way to vent one's irrational frustrations without worrying too much about the real life consequences of the posts.
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    May 21, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    Just take one look at the "Fuck or Pass" thread and you will see the absolute worst of internet interaction, in my view. That thread, and others like it, might as well be titled "An opportunity for you to be cruel and mean without any fallout." Some people in that thread just say "pass" over and over and over... like they get some kind of sick satisfaction out of rejecting people publicly.

    The observations of the OP are correct, no matter his motives for creating a thread about them. Actually, I have found myself saying things on this site that are far outside of my character, but it always comes from getting so incensed at somebody's comment or string of comments that I just can't help myself. It bothers me that I do it, it's just not me. And yet I keep coming back because there are people on here I really like - some of those people will occasionally tell me to cool off, get myself together, and remember that this entire site is about 20% informative and 80% entertainment.

    Anyway I'm rambling a bit, mostly because of a couple of email exchanges I had here this week with complete strangers in which I said things defensively that I normally would never say to a person... I hate when that happens, even if I stand by my main point.

    Bottom line, this site can bring out the worst in people, and it's because it draws some of the worst people. I don't know why, but it does.

    You're right, Verules, some people ARE so silly. They all seem to gather here!
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    May 21, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    Birds of a feather flock together....



    wanna flock??
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    May 21, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    Hillie said
    Verules said
    Hillie said
    Please don't over value your ability to make me feel anything other than what I've shared w/ you. but since were on the net it can be somewhat tricky but take it as face value whatever that means to you and that's about your perception.

    The fact that you never post is your choice but in the forums and within these threads are friendships enemies and a scale of variables in-between. Your judgement is of someone frm the outside lking in which gives you little to no credibility. I've read nothing frm you in the past yr I've been here so who's to say your logical?

    Pls also give me insight to what you think is unintelligent as you posted a topic that is clearly meant to stir the pot and you've already said your self it was pointless. Where is the intelligence in that?

    You have made yourself judge, jury and executioner .How worthy we all are for you to finally reveal yourself. You've been lurking and now you feel the need to scold members for their behavior.

    Oh yeah I know the difference between the participation in the forums and Hollywood but thanks for what you thought might be a revelation in my education.


    Wow. You are being SOOOOO defensive. From your tone, you sound like an absolute prick.
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    May 21, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
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    Hillie said
    Verules said
    Hillie said
    Just 5 posts under your belt and a member since 2008. Now you seek a dim and what will be a dismal spotlight. Whatever comments or judgements you've read and not participated in have come and gone w/out your angst. Now you bring to the table your critiques, criticism and judgements. Gimme a break. Police your own thoughts as it might offer insight and not some brash nonobjective jargon.


    Alrighty,

    a) unwarranted hostility, hurray
    b) This is a forum, not Hollywood; the fact that I almost never post should make it clear I don't care to much about people noticing me a great deal.
    c) whether or not I've contributed has no relevance to the fact that other people can be illogical and make unintelligent responses to topics.
    d) I made it clear that is was pointless at the beginning, your last few words are not news to me. I specifically said I can be guilty of this too - again, regardless of myself, it does not change the topic at hand.


    For starters no hostility on my end just stating my observation for my point of view.

    Please don't over value your ability to make me feel anything other than what I've shared w/ you. but since were on the net it can be somewhat tricky but take it as face value whatever that means to you and that's about your perception.

    The fact that you never post is your choice but in the forums and within these threads are friendships enemies and a scale of variables in-between. Your judgement is of someone frm the outside lking in which gives you little to no credibility. I've read nothing frm you in the past yr I've been here so who's to say your logical?

    Pls also give me insight to what you think is unintelligent as you posted a topic that is clearly meant to stir the pot and you've already said your self it was pointless. Where is the intelligence in that?

    You have made yourself judge, jury and executioner .How worthy we all are for you to finally reveal yourself. You've been lurking and now you feel the need to scold members for their behavior.

    Oh yeah I know the difference between the participation in the forums and Hollywood but thanks for what you thought might be a revelation in my education.


    Wow. You are being SOOOOO defensive. From your tone, you sound like an absolute prick.


    Stop projecting. Unless you heard my fingers hit my keyboard it seems difficult for me to believe that you know my tone and my intentions. Before you start name calling I suggest you check yourself.
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    May 21, 2010 9:43 PM GMT
    Hillie said


    Stop projecting. Unless you heard my fingers hit my keyboard it seems difficult for me to believe that you know my tone and my intentions. Before you start name calling I suggest you check yourself.


    lol. I stand by my previous statement. Thank you for validating my point.
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    May 21, 2010 9:44 PM GMT
    DjDorchester saidJust take one look at the "Fuck or Pass" thread and you will see the absolute worst of internet interaction, in my view. That thread, and others like it, might as well be titled "An opportunity for you to be cruel and mean without any fallout." Some people in that thread just say "pass" over and over and over... like they get some kind of sick satisfaction out of rejecting people publicly.

    The observations of the OP are correct, no matter his motives for creating a thread about them. Actually, I have found myself saying things on this site that are far outside of my character, but it always comes from getting so incensed at somebody's comment or string of comments that I just can't help myself. It bothers me that I do it, it's just not me. And yet I keep coming back because there are people on here I really like - some of those people will occasionally tell me to cool off, get myself together, and remember that this entire site is about 20% informative and 80% entertainment.

    Anyway I'm rambling a bit, mostly because of a couple of email exchanges I had here this week with complete strangers in which I said things defensively that I normally would never say to a person... I hate when that happens, even if I stand by my main point.

    Bottom line, this site can bring out the worst in people, and it's because it draws some of the worst people. I don't know why, but it does.

    You're right, Verules, some people ARE so silly. They all seem to gather here!


    On this site you will find all types of people however how you decide to engage is a choice.
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    May 21, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
    ickymuffin said
    Hillie said
    ickymuffin said
    Hillie said
    Verules said
    Hillie said
    Just 5 posts under your belt and a member since 2008. Now you seek a dim and what will be a dismal spotlight. Whatever comments or judgements you've read and not participated in have come and gone w/out your angst. Now you bring to the table your critiques, criticism and judgements. Gimme a break. Police your own thoughts as it might offer insight and not some brash nonobjective jargon.


    Alrighty,

    a) unwarranted hostility, hurray
    b) This is a forum, not Hollywood; the fact that I almost never post should make it clear I don't care to much about people noticing me a great deal.
    c) whether or not I've contributed has no relevance to the fact that other people can be illogical and make unintelligent responses to topics.
    d) I made it clear that is was pointless at the beginning, your last few words are not news to me. I specifically said I can be guilty of this too - again, regardless of myself, it does not change the topic at hand.


    For starters no hostility on my end just stating my observation for my point of view.

    Please don't over value your ability to make me feel anything other than what I've shared w/ you. but since were on the net it can be somewhat tricky but take it as face value whatever that means to you and that's about your perception.

    The fact that you never post is your choice but in the forums and within these threads are friendships enemies and a scale of variables in-between. Your judgement is of someone frm the outside lking in which gives you little to no credibility. I've read nothing frm you in the past yr I've been here so who's to say your logical?

    Pls also give me insight to what you think is unintelligent as you posted a topic that is clearly meant to stir the pot and you've already said your self it was pointless. Where is the intelligence in that?

    You have made yourself judge, jury and executioner .How worthy we all are for you to finally reveal yourself. You've been lurking and now you feel the need to scold members for their behavior.

    Oh yeah I know the difference between the participation in the forums and Hollywood but thanks for what you thought might be a revelation in my education.


    Wow. You are being SOOOOO defensive. From your tone, you sound like an absolute prick.


    Stop projecting. Unless you heard my fingers hit my keyboard it seems difficult for me to believe that you know my tone and my intentions. Before you start name calling I suggest you check yourself.


    lol. I stand by my previous statement. Thank you for validating my point.


    all things considered if you sum up my entire 38yrs to one post in which my personality is based on your assesment of a few wrds... I laugh w/ you.
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    May 21, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    Verules saidCompletely pointless thread (first one though! yay me)

    so silly



    I like the word silly. icon_smile.gif It is a kind way to refer to someone else who you don't agree with. Silly silly.
    You're so silly. Silly boy.
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    May 21, 2010 9:49 PM GMT
    Hillie said

    all things considered if you sum up my entire 38yrs to one post in which my personality is based on your assesment of a few wrds... I laugh w/ you.


    My recommendation...take a nap. Then maybe you would not be so grumpy.

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    May 21, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
    ickymuffin said
    Hillie said

    all things considered if you sum up my entire 38yrs to one post in which my personality is based on your assesment of a few wrds... I laugh w/ you.


    My recommendation...take a nap. Then maybe you won't be such a grumpy Gus.


    This is comical. Your reply to my post resulted in calling me a prick and I need to take a nap. Too funny! If you think I'm grumpy so be it. I'm sure I've been called worse but at the end of the day it means............... ?(nothing) Me calling you a name in retaliation would be a waste of energy, for me at least but feel free to continue it seems your on a roll.
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    May 21, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    Hillie said
    ickymuffin said
    Hillie said

    all things considered if you sum up my entire 38yrs to one post in which my personality is based on your assesment of a few wrds... I laugh w/ you.


    My recommendation...take a nap. Then maybe you won't be such a grumpy Gus.


    This is comical. Your reply to my post resulted in calling me a prick and I need to take a nap. Too funny! If you think I'm grumpy so be it. I'm sure I've been called worse but at the end of the day it means............... ?(nothing) Me calling you a name in retaliation would be a waste of energy, for me at least but feel free to continue it seems your on a roll.


    I'm glad we both agree that it was funny. icon_smile.gif
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    May 21, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
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    DjDorchester saidJust take one look at the "Fuck or Pass" thread and you will see the absolute worst of internet interaction, in my view. That thread, and others like it, might as well be titled "An opportunity for you to be cruel and mean without any fallout." Some people in that thread just say "pass" over and over and over... like they get some kind of sick satisfaction out of rejecting people publicly.

    The observations of the OP are correct, no matter his motives for creating a thread about them. Actually, I have found myself saying things on this site that are far outside of my character, but it always comes from getting so incensed at somebody's comment or string of comments that I just can't help myself. It bothers me that I do it, it's just not me. And yet I keep coming back because there are people on here I really like - some of those people will occasionally tell me to cool off, get myself together, and remember that this entire site is about 20% informative and 80% entertainment.

    Anyway I'm rambling a bit, mostly because of a couple of email exchanges I had here this week with complete strangers in which I said things defensively that I normally would never say to a person... I hate when that happens, even if I stand by my main point.

    Bottom line, this site can bring out the worst in people, and it's because it draws some of the worst people. I don't know why, but it does.

    You're right, Verules, some people ARE so silly. They all seem to gather here!


    On this site you will find all types of people however how you decide to engage is a choice.



    You're making it clear how you choose to engage.
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    May 21, 2010 10:14 PM GMT
    You know the five minutes of my life I spent reading this thread?

    Refund?
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    ickymuffin said
    Hillie said
    ickymuffin said
    Hillie said

    all things considered if you sum up my entire 38yrs to one post in which my personality is based on your assesment of a few wrds... I laugh w/ you.


    My recommendation...take a nap. Then maybe you won't be such a grumpy Gus.


    This is comical. Your reply to my post resulted in calling me a prick and I need to take a nap. Too funny! If you think I'm grumpy so be it. I'm sure I've been called worse but at the end of the day it means............... ?(nothing) Me calling you a name in retaliation would be a waste of energy, for me at least but feel free to continue it seems your on a roll.


    I'm glad we both agree that it was funny. icon_smile.gif



    What were you expecting, nothing less I hope. Your choice to decide to attack by calling me a prick and grumpy is a clear example of your character and maturity instead of engaging about the topic you chose to make it personal and I'm the bad guy (lol). Why would I have any other response thanicon_lol.gif