Any political moderates or independents here?

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    May 22, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    There's so many nasty threads that typically reveal Dems attacking Reps and Reps attacking Dems in hyah! But where's the far center?

    Who hates BOTH far-leaning Dems and Reps? Who feels like they share political views with both these parties?

    I'm looking for common ground...or common hate here. =)
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    May 23, 2010 3:04 AM GMT
    Southbeach, you're deemed an ultra-conservative on here because of your moderate Republican views pinned against the majority moderate and liberal Democratic views. Being in the middle I can see your point of view half the time, but the way your threads are it seems like you just want to attack Dems on here and try to use as much ammo as possible when in reality you're just sick and tired of stupid people.

    Anyway, is no one in the middle? Everyone's a hippy liberal or a right-wing nut-job?
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    May 23, 2010 3:06 AM GMT
    In terms of my voting registration, I'm an independent. Although I would have to say my political views lean towards anarchist (in the not-so-scary, non-violent way).
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    May 23, 2010 3:16 AM GMT
    Screw you homosekchewals and yer homosekchewall egendas!

    Nah but seriously, I'd say I'm independent. It just totally depends on what the candidate I'm voting for believes in.
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    May 23, 2010 3:17 AM GMT
    I think it is funny how staunch conservatives on here call themselves independents.
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    May 23, 2010 3:20 AM GMT
    ^ hahahaha oh god

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    May 23, 2010 3:23 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    ActiveAndFit saidI think it is funny how staunch conservatives on here call themselves independents.


    ummm like who?


    He's aiming at Southbeach.

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    May 23, 2010 3:24 AM GMT
    Mmm flame me harder baby.
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    May 23, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
    I'm reminded of this quote:

    “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

    I succumb often to wanting to be a small mind though I aspire for great ideas ;). I think it really depends though how you define right wing, left wing and the middle.

    People make allusions to Bush as being a "Nazi" or anyone they think of as extreme "right wing" but Nazi stood for the National Socialist Party. Most statist/autocratic ideologies - fascism, nazi, socialism, and marxism found inspiration for their core ideas in a singular book - Edward Bellamy's Looking Backward (set to the year 2000) which was a vision of efficiency and servitude to the state.

    Most of his ideas still thrive amongst those here who believe that profit in private institutions is an inefficiency/waste without recognizing the incentives they create for innovation (which also is a cause of profit).

    That said, I think most people would say that anyone who openly declares themselves as a Marxist is radically left wing, but that's probably not your initial thought/impression of the Dalai Lama:

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/im-a-marxist-says-dalai-lama-but-agrees-capitalism-has-helped-china/story-e6frfku0-1225869459169

    So color me befuddled. I'm a social liberal and an economic conservative. I'm probably pretty extreme when it comes to both but being a libertarian sets me apart from the positions advocated by either party in the US let alone any in Canada.
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    May 23, 2010 3:37 AM GMT
    i'm fiscally conservative. socially liberal. i don't know if that makes me an independent though.

    i'm currently leaning towards the democratic party b/c i feel the republican party has been hijacked by a bunch of bible thumping phony conservatives. until the party wakes up and kicks them out, i probably won't be voting republican any time soon unless a candidate really impresses me.

    currently i see both parties as parties of big spending government growers. the tea party and the republicans may claim that they are cleaning up house but their actions prove the contrary. they are just riling up the independent base to support the GOP again and once back in power they will spend again and grow government to legislate their religious beliefs---all the while NOT raising taxes. the democrats may spend but at least they look to ways to eventually cover the spending, even if it means political suicide like raising taxes. that sounds more fiscally responsible---relatively---than just spending without considering the means to cover the spending.

    again, both parties spend---at least the democrats are spending here at home. at least we are now back to addressing and tackling our domestic issues instead of starting unnecessary wars (or debating who is wearing a flag pin and who isn't).

    ideally, i'd like the republican party to actually be fiscally conservative and recognize the separation of church and state. but that isn't going to happen any time soon.

    the current "ideal" situation is to have opposing parties in power in the legislative and executive branches. it is the most inefficient form but it keeps both extremes (right and left) in check.
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    May 23, 2010 3:37 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidThere's so many nasty threads that typically reveal Dems attacking Reps and Reps attacking Dems in hyah! But where's the far center?

    Who hates BOTH far-leaning Dems and Reps? Who feels like they share political views with both these parties?

    I'm looking for common ground...or common hate here. =)


    I agree both Dems and Repubs are all a bunch of shipwrecks and history proves it and why we are in the shape that we are in. They all are looking only to their own interests and what is best for them and not the common good of all. This self serving will bring the death of this country, if we don't show them all the door and elect people who are truly looking out for the good of this country and not their own power and pocketbook.
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    May 23, 2010 3:39 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidThere's so many nasty threads that typically reveal Dems attacking Reps and Reps attacking Dems in hyah! But where's the far center?

    Who hates BOTH far-leaning Dems and Reps? Who feels like they share political views with both these parties?

    I'm looking for common ground...or common hate here. =)


    That's like trying to put a fire out with napalm.icon_lol.gif
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    May 23, 2010 3:39 AM GMT
    Registered Independent or non-partison voter here. My whole family is Republican so I am the black sheep.
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    May 23, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
    HTownRunner saidi'm fiscally conservative. socially liberal. i don't know if that makes me an independent though.

    i'm currently leaning towards the democratic party b/c i feel the republican party has been hijacked by a bunch of bible thumping phony conservatives. until the party wakes up and kicks them out, i probably won't be voting republican any time soon unless a candidate really impresses me.

    currently i see both parties as parties of big spending government growers. the tea party and the republicans may claim that they are cleaning up house but their actions prove the contrary. they are just riling up the independent base to support the GOP again and once back in power they will spend again and grow government to legislate their religious beliefs---all the while NOT raising taxes. the democrats may spend but at least they look to ways to eventually cover the spending, even if it means political suicide like raising taxes. that sounds more fiscally responsible---relatively---than just spending without considering the means to cover the spending.

    again, both parties spend---at least the democrats are spending here at home. at least we are now back to addressing and tackling our domestic issues instead of starting unnecessary wars.

    ideally, i'd like the republican party to actually be fiscally conservative and recognize the separation of church and state. but that isn't going to happen any time soon.

    the current "ideal" situation is to have opposing parties in power in the legislative and executive branches. it is the most inefficient form but it keeps both extremes (right and left) in check.


    Oddly, I've often thought the opposite. The people who are social conservative tend to be older and dying off. I think societies tend to become more open and tolerant with time - and it's in economically free (classically liberal) societies where minorities have the resources to advance their cause). I've always thought this would happen faster in the Republican party than the idea that Democrats will move towards economic conservatism given their fundamental and unifying belief that government is a force for good (which I don't see as evil in theory per se, though in practice people tend to give inept and corrupt governments far too much power which they wield all too easily and often).

    (I should also state that that I believe the Republicans have not ruled as fiscal conservatives either for which they deserve to lose... but the alternative is the spending we have now under the Democrats).
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    May 23, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
    Jake, based upon the fact that you were a little intimidated by someone who made the [correct] observation that conservatives were the only ones that call themselves independent, I have to believe that you're probably more center-right than you give yourself credit for.

    A couple years ago it was the opposite, liberals scrambled to call themselves independent because liberal was a dirty word. Now that the tables have been turned, and "liberal" isn't so dirty, conservatives, who have been a little ostracized because of the former administration's failings, are now scrambling to identify themselves as "independent".

    The whole thing is sad, really, because "independent" is the label sought by those who are no longer in power but want to be seen as not part of the party establishment that is heavily stereotyped against.

    People like south-beach don't have a single left-leaning position, so even though they try to denounce the Republican party, he's not "independent" because it's likely that he'd never vote for a democrat outside of an extremely local election. A true independent, of whom I've met very few, has liberal and conservative leanings. Just because you reject the most extreme members of your party doesn't mean you're an "independent", but it may make you more moderate than some in your party. Until we have more than a two party system, people are going to be forced to vote for, if not identify with, one of the to parties that is always in power. But just because this dynamic exists, doesn't mean that there aren't "moderates" on this site.

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    May 23, 2010 3:45 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidI am 100% Independent and not even left winger or right winger. I am just in between. I am a humanitarian guy believe what is right and wrong. I support justice and equal. Sometime my dad call me a right winger or a teabagger because he doesn't agree with me several things. I love how Democrats call me evil Republican and Republican call me a hippie Democrat.
    Wow. When your own parent calls you right winger, there must be something to it, maybe you should listen to him.
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    May 23, 2010 3:48 AM GMT
    jmnyc1177 saidJake, based upon the fact that you were a little intimidated by someone who made the [correct] observation that conservatives were the only ones that call themselves independent, I have to believe that you're probably more center-right than you give yourself credit for.

    A couple years ago it was the opposite, liberals scrambled to call themselves independent because liberal was a dirty word. Now that the tables have been turned, and "liberal" isn't so dirty, conservatives, who have been a little ostracized because of the former administration's failings, are now scrambling to identify themselves as "independent".

    The whole thing is sad, really, because "independent" is the label sought by those who are no longer in power but want to be seen as not part of the party establishment that is heavily stereotyped against.

    People like south-beach don't have a single left-leaning position, so even though they try to denounce the Republican party, he's not "independent" because it's likely that he'd never vote for a democrat outside of an extremely local election. A true independent, of whom I've met very few, has liberal and conservative leanings. Just because you reject the most extreme members of your party doesn't mean you're an "independent", but it may make you more moderate than some in your party. Until we have more than a two party system, people are going to be forced to vote for, if not identify with, one of the to parties that is always in power. But just because this dynamic exists, doesn't mean that there aren't "moderates" on this site.


    For reference: http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

    For Americans, "conservative" is not a dirty word. "Republican" on the other hand... I'm surprised you would say that being "liberal" has been rehabilitated. Though I think by the polling many conservatives would say that it isn't they who have changed but that it is that the Republican Party left them.
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    May 23, 2010 3:50 AM GMT
    No political party has all the answers.
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    May 23, 2010 3:51 AM GMT
    meninlove said No political party has all the answers.


    Wow - we agree icon_wink.gif (though that's a considerable understatement)
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    May 23, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    meninlove said No political party has all the answers.


    They definitely seem like a necessary evil. Can't help but wonder what things would be like without political party affiliation. But at the same time it's a scary thought because we don't know any different.
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    May 23, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    JMNYC puts it well in his last paragraph.

    In our current incoherent, polarized political situation, labels such as "progressive" and "independent," etc. are relatively meaningless: we have a two-party system, and so much wealth pouring into politics that the only real issue is power/money. Even the good guys have to spend half their time fund-raising.

    Perhaps the way out lies in term limits and public funding of elections. I incline that way, and think these things might lead to a viable third party.

    But for now, you have to vote for one party or the other, and I have to say I'd rather fall into the hands of Democrats than Republicans; the former base their platform, however loosely, on a generous inclination; while the latter seem more interested in control and maintaining the status quo of the plutocracy and in placating the religious extremes.

    It's sad. Both conservatives and liberals can make valuable contributions to the politic dialog. But parties are there for one thing: retention of power. and in the process, the people often get left out.

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    May 23, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    I'm 26 and have an absurdly primary and indifferent grasp of politics. Osmosis of public perception has taught me individuals such as myself are looked down upon.
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    May 23, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    Riddler, I stand corrected, with a big caveat...if you interview people with questions that don't slant one direction or another...even though they may identify themselves as "conservative", their policy leanings are liberal, unless that fact is brought to their attention.
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    May 23, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    I tend to fluctuate from mid-left to mid-right on a political scale, though I do tend to fall on the center left more often than not. I do admit to becoming 'polarized' when I encounter people who are polarized themselves... especially if we have differing viewpoints.
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    May 23, 2010 3:59 AM GMT
    Lol, riddler, we think that all of us should support each other, which is what makes a kind society a kind society, and one where apparently a lot of people want to live. It's an old time Canadian thing. We figured out, with some help from octogenarians and some older who tell their lives, what it means to better life for us all via everyone's smaller contribution. They fought in wars. Both of us prefer a truly middle type party, because they consider both sides of an argument and decide, we hope, on the best interests of the personal lives of citizens (as in healthcare) that voted them in.

    respectfully and kindly -Doug