Tempting God: The errors of presumed protection

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    May 23, 2010 5:00 AM GMT
    http://www.informedchristians.com/articles/ART-tempting_God.htm
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    May 23, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    Another example is being a literalist bible thumper, going to a gay website and lusting after the men on it, even making a hot list, then thinking that as long as you don't actually have sex with them you're protected. icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif
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    May 24, 2010 4:33 AM GMT
    Perhaps the only thing I can think of that is more disrespectful than tempting God, is presuming to know God's will and forcing those beliefs upon others.

    BFD's intention may (to him) be "good", but according to Fundamentalist beliefs isn't the "road to Hell" paved with "good intentions"?


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    May 26, 2010 3:56 AM GMT
    meninlove said Another example is being a literalist bible thumper, going to a gay website and lusting after the men on it, even making a hot list, then thinking that as long as you don't actually have sex with them you're protected. icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif


    Another example is a Christian who judges and assumes I am lusting after men just because I see some men as being beautiful and hot as a wonderful creation of God. Yes, I am publicly acknowledging that they are hot and beautiful. Is that a crime or sin against your perceived 11th commandment?

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    May 26, 2010 4:13 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidPerhaps the only thing I can think of that is more disrespectful than tempting God, is presuming to know God's will and forcing those beliefs upon others.

    BFD's intention may (to him) be "good", but according to Fundamentalist beliefs isn't the "road to Hell" paved with "good intentions"?




    I do not force my beliefs on anyone. You may believe or not. It's your choice totally. I simply tell you WHAT I believe and WHY I believe what I do. You then have a free choice to believe or not believe based on what you have heard. I just want you to be informed of my beliefs, so you evalutate it from knowledge and not ignorance and then can make a choice intelligently. If you don't want to hear any religious beliefs from anyone, then I suggest that you do not read the Bible because the Bible is full of religious beliefs and do not enter any church because you will hear a lot of beliefs in churches, and do not enter or participate in any spiritual are religious forum because you will also hear a lot of beliefs in them. If you enter and participate in a religious or spiritual forum, you are welcoming people to share religious beliefs with you. If you don't want anyone sharing their religious beliefs with you, then by all mean DO NOT enter a religious or spiritual forum because that's what people do in a spiritual and religious forum is share and discuss their beliefs.
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    May 26, 2010 4:42 AM GMT
    meninlove said Another example is being a literalist bible thumper, going to a gay website and lusting after the men on it, even making a hot list, then thinking that as long as you don't actually have sex with them you're protected. icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif


    A gay website is no more inherently sinful than any other website. There isn't any website that is sin free. In fact there is no place in this world that is totally sin free--not even a church. A Christian would have to depart from this world to avoid all places where there is sin and temptations to sin. Your "christian" opinion that if one is a believer, he can not even be associated with, eat with, or have any communication with a gay, is NOT being a Christian, but you are being a Pharisee that Jesus condemned for their self righteousness. In their self righteousness, they condemned Jesus for having the audacity to enter the homes of sinners and eating with them. This was repulsive to them to see Jesus talking and eating with sinners. When you make laws that Christians must not go on gay websites and associate with gays, you are being a Pharisee. And because of this Jesus said the prostitutes were entering the kingdom of God ahead of them.. Nowhere does God make a command in Scripture which says, "Thou must not be a friend to anyone who says he is gay." This is meninlove's command, not God's. In fact , if I would shun and not associate with gays, then I would be sinning. So, no , I will not stop associating with gays and being friends with them because that is sinning.
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    May 26, 2010 5:25 PM GMT
    It's not about being gay or hot list or not, those are all besides the point. As you said, it is about showing people what you believe. people can take it or leave it. so the main question is why post it.

    Since it is a one man talk that has no interest in others believe, therefore such topic even at christian sites would not generate much discussion. becasue the intention is not an interest in others, but a desperate desire of self, this would only invite criticism to your believe, and no one changes his heart simply by reading this.
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    May 26, 2010 6:25 PM GMT
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    Another example is a Christian who judges and assumes I am lusting after men just because I see some men as being beautiful and hot as a wonderful creation of God.


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    May 27, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    This from another topic

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/962289
    Barefootdude said, " I'ver never fallen in love for a man and don't think it would ever happen. My sexual interest in men is purely physical and not emotional. Kissing a man in a romantic way isn't even appealing to me. So by your definition I am not really bisexual, but rather str8 since I don't connect emotionally with men. All I know is I think some men are really hot, especially when naked with big dicks, hairy pits, bubble butts, and hot feet."

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    May 27, 2010 2:36 AM GMT
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    GAMRican saidPerhaps the only thing I can think of that is more disrespectful than tempting God, is presuming to know God's will and forcing those beliefs upon others.

    BFD's intention may (to him) be "good", but according to Fundamentalist beliefs isn't the "road to Hell" paved with "good intentions"?




    I do not force my beliefs on anyone. You may believe or not. It's your choice totally. I simply tell you WHAT I believe and WHY I believe what I do. You then have a free choice to believe or not believe based on what you have heard. I just want you to be informed of my beliefs, so you evalutate it from knowledge and not ignorance and then can make a choice intelligently. ...


    1. You state that you do not force your beliefs on anyone.
    2. You state that you tell people (presumably without being asked) what you believe and why.
    3. You state that you "want" others to be informed of your beliefs.

    Your 2nd and 3rd statements contradict your 1st statement. You, are a hypocrite.

    And, whatever reason you may have to "just want" others to be informed of your beliefs is still your reason. You are prideful in your piety. Again, you are a hypocrite.

    Let all see you for who and what you are by your own words.


    Or will you just delete this thread to hide your fail?
    You can't hide the truth from God.
    Repent.





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    Jun 02, 2010 5:55 PM GMT
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    GAMRican saidPerhaps the only thing I can think of that is more disrespectful than tempting God, is presuming to know God's will and forcing those beliefs upon others.

    BFD's intention may (to him) be "good", but according to Fundamentalist beliefs isn't the "road to Hell" paved with "good intentions"?




    I do not force my beliefs on anyone. You may believe or not. It's your choice totally. I simply tell you WHAT I believe and WHY I believe what I do. You then have a free choice to believe or not believe based on what you have heard. I just want you to be informed of my beliefs, so you evalutate it from knowledge and not ignorance and then can make a choice intelligently. ...


    1. You state that you do not force your beliefs on anyone.
    2. You state that you tell people (presumably without being asked) what you believe and why.
    3. You state that you "want" others to be informed of your beliefs.

    Your 2nd and 3rd statements contradict your 1st statement. You, are a hypocrite.

    And, whatever reason you may have to "just want" others to be informed of your beliefs is still your reason. You are prideful in your piety. Again, you are a hypocrite.

    Let all see you for who and what you are by your own words.


    Or will you just delete this thread to hide your fail?
    You can't hide the truth from God.
    Repent.







    Telling what you believe and why you believe what you do is not forcing anyone to believe as you do. And when this is done in a religious forum,it is not being done to anyone who doesn't want to be here. If you or others don't want to hear any religious beliefs of others, then why are you here? Those who do not want to hear the religious beliefs of others have no business being in a religious forum. This is like someone who doesn't want to see any porn and is upset because he's on a porn website porn and sees porn. lol The hypocrite is the one who is upset because he sees porn on a porn website and the one who is upset because he hears religious beliefs from others in a religious forum.
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    Jun 02, 2010 6:03 PM GMT

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    barefootdude said"Telling what you believe and why you believe what you do is not forcing anyone to believe as you do"


    "barfydude said, "The Holy Spirit also performs a function for non-Christians as well. He convicts people's hearts of God's truth concerning how sinful we are -- needing God's forgiveness; how righteous Jesus is -- He died in our place, for our sins; and God's eventual judgment of the world and those who do not know Him (John 16:8-11"

    You just put down everyone else's faith. You threatened them with god's judgment with the above post.
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    Jun 02, 2010 6:37 PM GMT
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    barefootdude said"Telling what you believe and why you believe what you do is not forcing anyone to believe as you do"


    "barfydude said, "The Holy Spirit also performs a function for non-Christians as well. He convicts people's hearts of God's truth concerning how sinful we are -- needing God's forgiveness; how righteous Jesus is -- He died in our place, for our sins; and God's eventual judgment of the world and those who do not know Him (John 16:8-11"

    You just put down everyone else's faith. You threatened them with god's judgment with the above post.


    I am not threatening anyone with anything That is taken directly out of the Bible. If you or others don't believe what the Bible says, you don't have to. Christian beliefs are beliefs that Christ taught in the Bible, but if people choose not to believe Christ or the Bible and instead believe some other religion or have no religion at all, that is their perfect right to do so. Other people may also tell what they believe and why they believe what they do or why they don't believe, just like anybody else.

    This is an open religious forum for anyone to express whatever beliefs they have and why they believe those beliefs are true. Whatever anyone believes, they do so because they sincerely believe they are true, otherwise there would be no reason to believe what they do, if they thought it wasn't true.

    God in the Bible threatens people with judgment for not believing his Word and Christ as their Savior, not me. I didn't write anything that is there, so you can't blame me for what is written there. I am simply pointing out to others what is written there because a lot of people don't even know a lot of things that are written in the Bible because they have never read all of the Bible and only know what some church or preacher told them, without ever comparing what they heard from what is actually in the Bible. Many times people will say this is what the Bible says, but when you actually look at the Bible, you can't find any of these things there. At no time did Christ ever say there was a purgatory, yet this idea of a purgatory has been taught in the Roman Catholic Church, even though there is no Scriptural basis for this teaching at all. One needs to compare what you were taught and told to what the Bible says itself. If you do this, you will discover that a lot of times what you were told or taught is not what the Bible says at all. For example when people say that all gays are going to hell. The Bible doesn't say that. That is adding to what the Bible says. Sin itself does not exclude anyone from heaven because otherwise everyone then would have to be excluded because the Bible says everyone sins. If anyone says they don't sin, the Bible says they are lying because the Bible says all sin..
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:51 AM GMT

    More religious spam.

    What part about this being a gay site and that all of us have had christ shoved in our faces everywhere else don't you understand?

    Clearly being your type of christian makes you dense.

    What does the koran say about homosexuality and those that are not muslim? Hmmm? Do you see them on here quoting scripture about infidels? No?

    You can be such an asshole.
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    More religious spam.

    What part about this being a gay site and that all of us have had christ shoved in our faces everywhere else don't you understand?

    Clearly being your type of christian makes you dense.

    What does the koran say about homosexuality and those that are not muslim? Hmmm? Do you see them on here quoting scripture about infidels? No?

    You can be such an asshole.


    Not everyone feels like you. There are a lot of gay Christians who don't hate Christ and his Word like you do. You are the most intolerant gay man I have ever seen.
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    Jun 03, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    Sorry barefootdude, I'm christian and one of the things about that is humility and not this pompous religious righteousness you parade around here.

    This is Doug. No, I won't tolerate your pulpit pounding. It's harassment.
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    Jun 03, 2010 2:11 AM GMT
    meninlove said Sorry barefootdude, I'm christian and one of the things about that is humility and not this pompous religious righteousness you parade around here.

    This is Doug. No, I won't tolerate your pulpit pounding. It's harassment.


    You really think you have humility? Wow, it's getting deep in here. Harrassment? Look in the mirror.
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    Jun 03, 2010 2:26 AM GMT
    Well, Mr I-believe-homosexuality-is-a-sin, that title tells people everything thing they need to know about you and the subtle poison you spew.
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    Jun 03, 2010 2:56 AM GMT
    meninlove said Well, Mr I-believe-homosexuality-is-a-sin, that title tells people everything thing they need to know about you and the subtle poison you spew.


    I've been led to believe that FOR MYSELF, but you don't see me condemning anyone because they are gay, do you? Why? Because Christ doesn't condemn ANYONE. He died for ALL, including gays. Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say anywhere that Christ died for all, except for gays. You know that a salvation only for str8's is bullshit and is not what the Bible proclaims at all. So twist the Scriptures all you want, but the BIBLE DOES NOT CONDEMN GAYS ANYMORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. What did Jesus say to the Pharisees who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery? Whoever is without sin, let him throw the first stone.
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    Jun 03, 2010 3:28 AM GMT
    Ugh, more tripe. You were the one that said you believed homosexuality is a sin. And you didn't say 'just for me' . This was when you were g_force for everyone else reading.

    It's interesting to see you backtrack..
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    Jun 03, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
    meninlove said Ugh, more tripe. You were the one that said you believed homosexuality is a sin. And you didn't say 'just for me' . This was when you were g_force for everyone else reading.

    It's interesting to see you backtrack..


    It's interesting to see how you don't accept what Christ says that he is the only way and that no one comes to the Father except by him, yet you call yourself a Christian. And you can't see your hypocrisy?
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    Jun 03, 2010 3:41 AM GMT
    The problem here is, barfydude, that I understand the bible's history and how many changes it's gone through since it's first writing. I understand allegorical and consideration of the intelligence and scientific knowledge of those writing. Menstruation is a great example. The sin of uncleanliness. What a crock. Lustful thoughts. Another crock. It's easy to see the chaff from the good stuff, if you pay attention. You can't, or won't.

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    Jun 03, 2010 4:06 AM GMT
    meninlove said The problem here is, barfydude, that I understand the bible's history and how many changes it's gone through since it's first writing. I understand allegorical and consideration of the intelligence and scientific knowledge of those writing. Menstruation is a great example. The sin of uncleanliness. What a crock. Lustful thoughts. Another crock. It's easy to see the chaff from the good stuff, if you pay attention. You can't, or won't.



    No, you obviously don't understand the history of the Bible at all. You can't pick and choose what you want to accept and what you don't--that is hypocrisy of the worst kind. Your understanding of OT Scriptures is very lacking and you fail to see that God gave 3 types of laws--only the moral law was ever binding on all people, but you just don't get it. The civil and ceremonial laws were NEVER intended for any other people or nation and yet you try to MIX these laws with the moral law, which results in confusion of the worst kind where people think today the Bible says its sinful to play football. lol
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    Jun 03, 2010 4:09 AM GMT
    This is good, barfydude, keep backing up.
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    Jun 03, 2010 4:14 AM GMT
    barefootdude said... And you can't see your hypocrisy?



    So, are you the one who can throw the first stone? Your aim might be better if you take the telephone pole out of your own eye before trying to take out the splinters in the eyes of others.

    N'est-ce pas?