Gay Iranian Faces Deportation

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    May 26, 2010 6:49 AM GMT
    What are your thoughts?

    This is about a guy who was arrested in Arizona as he is an illegal immigrant. He is Iranian and is gay. This means if he is deported, he could face execution. Please take the minute or so and fill out the bit to contact your senators and representative.


    Mohammad Abdollahi came to the United States from Iran when he was just three years old and has called the US home for twenty-one years.But because his parents overstayed their visa, Mohammad never became a permanent resident or citizen.



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    May 26, 2010 12:11 PM GMT
    While it is true to say that he could face execution, it is by no means a certainty.

    Iranian + gay does not = execution.

    I have been in Tehran, I have met gay guys there, the situation on the ground is not quite as horrible as some of the stories out there. I'm not suggesting gays in Iran live a wonderful life - they certainly lead a very closeted life but they also live an active and fairly normal gay life so long as they are discreet and not flaming.
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    May 26, 2010 12:30 PM GMT
    tommyclement saidWhile it is true to say that he could face execution, it is by no means a certainty.

    Iranian + gay does not = execution.

    I have been in Tehran, I have met gay guys there, the situation on the ground is not quite as horrible as some of the stories out there. I'm not suggesting gays in Iran live a wonderful life - they certainly lead a very closeted life but they also live an active and fairly normal gay life so long as they are discreet and not flaming.
    Yes, he will very likely face execution.
    There is no being "discreet" when the media has already publicized his sexuality.
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    May 26, 2010 12:41 PM GMT
    tommyclement saidWhile it is true to say that he could face execution, it is by no means a certainty.

    Iranian + gay does not = execution.

    I have been in Tehran, I have met gay guys there, the situation on the ground is not quite as horrible as some of the stories out there. I'm not suggesting gays in Iran live a wonderful life - they certainly lead a very closeted life but they also live an active and fairly normal gay life so long as they are discreet and not flaming.


    Easy to say, yet you don't show your face in any profile pics. Why is that?

    I am sorry, but why is it that UAE RJ members are always so quick to say things like this in a forum setting, when every single non-Israeli Middle Eastern man I've chatted with (and there have been many), tells me something entirely different?

    And why is it that practically every news story I read about gays in Iran end in tragedy? Surely, stories from AP to NYTimes to Globe and Mail are not all reporting embellished half-truths.

    I've only been in the Middle East a limited number of times, but each experience was an eye-opening one, and hardly positive. A good friend recently opened an office for his company in Abu Dhabi, and has to go there one week out of each month. He's gay, and tells me of the horrors facing gay men and women over there. Let's just say he knows of not one out gay man in the area since everyone put on trial for being gay will get a minimum of five years/maximum of 15 years in prison ... and then there's the torture and killing that tends to happen, but we don't hear of that too often.

    I'm telling you that this man will be executed upon his arrival in Iran. He's as good as dead. Go ahead and disagree, but I'll be pinging you and the rest of you damned apologists the minute the story hits the wires.

    Fucking barbarians stuck in the middle ages worshipping a false, cock-sucking prophet ... that's all they are.
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    May 26, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    Iran will not execute him. He would have to be caught engaging in gay sex for any trial to take place. And I said TRIAL, not immediate execution. I don't know who gives you that information. If you're not aware, the Iranian government subsidizes the most sex change operations in the world, that means there are plenty of gay men and women roaming around the country.

    Keep looking for that story. It won't come.
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    May 26, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    If he was really fearful he could seek asylum in the US.
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    May 26, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    Story below No Gays in Iran - Just Corpses and Forced Sex Change Operations

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was laughed at during his controversial appearance at Columbia University in New York City for claiming that there are no gays in Iran. It appears to be a completely stupid statement but the homosexual community in Iran is so hidden and suppressed that it may as well be invisible. Known homosexuals in Iran are arrested, tortured and often executed - or forced to have sex change operations by religious leaders. It seems transexuals are accepted in Iran's Islamic society while gays are not.

    This secretly recorded documentary gives you a glimpse into a world that the Iranian President says does not exist. Iran's small gay community is fighting back - for their rights, and their lives.


    This includes a good video from actual Iranians telling their stories. You may have to turn the audio up:
    http://www.homepagedaily.com/Pages/article1137-no-gays-in-iran---just-corpses-and-forced-sex-change-operations.aspx

    I can understand why a Gay man would not want to live in that kind of environment, but I admire the ones that decide to stay and fight for their rights.
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    May 26, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
    Mepark saidIran will not execute him. He would have to be caught engaging in gay sex for any trial to take place. And I said TRIAL, not immediate execution. I don't know who gives you that information. If you're not aware, the Iranian government subsidizes the most sex change operations in the world, that means there are plenty of gay men and women roaming around the country.
    I don't think a gay man that undergoes a sex change is technically a gay man anymore, but a transsexual.
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    May 26, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    || No Gays in Iran - Just Corpses and Forced Sex Change Operations

    ActiveAndFit> I don't think a gay man that undergoes a sex change is technically a gay man anymore, but a transsexual.

    Not to mention that FORCING someone to undergo a sex-change operation is itself barbaric.

    From most topics I see posted here (not to mention discussion in real life), most gay men are attached to their sexual organs... and want to keep them attached, as is.

    I suspect that if RJ were to offer free sex change operations to members, the line would be rather short.
    (Not that there is anything wrong with it - if that's what you want.)
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    May 26, 2010 5:23 PM GMT
    Like I said earlier, I'll be pinging any pro-Iran/UAE RJ members the minute the story of this poor man's execution hits the wires.

    Best case scenario, his dwelling is fire bombed and he's curb stomped, but manages to survive. However, my thoughts are that he won't be so lucky.

    I'm also prepared for the Iranian govt. to issue a statement saying that the man's death was at the hands of his peers and not the govt., but we'll all know the truth.

    Allah akbar, baby!
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    May 26, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    If this Iranian national has been in this country for 21 years granted that he was not legally here, I see no legitimate reason to deport him back to Iran because he did not actually commit the crime, his parents put him in harms way when they overstayed their permitted visa and did not apply for immigration status. If anything, he should be permitted to file for immigration status and remain in the US. Oh I accidentally overlooked that he was caught in the nation's premier ultra conservative redneck state, Arizona. So those bigoted dumbfucks in that state are not going to give a damn about this innocent young gay Iranian national, they just want him sent back to Iran. Those brainless Arizona rednecks will do anything to ingratiate themselves with both the tea baggers and the christian fundamentalist lunatics.
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    May 26, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
    God I'd love to see sxydrkhair's reaction to this. So ironic.
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    May 26, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIf this Iranian national has been in this country for 21 years granted that he was not legally here, I see no legitimate reason to deport him back to Iran because he did not actually commit the crime, his parents put him in harms way when they overstayed their permitted visa and did not apply for immigration status. If anything, he should be permitted to file for immigration status and remain in the US. Oh I accidentally overlooked that he was caught in the nation's premier ultra conservative redneck state, Arizona. So those bigoted dumbfucks in that state are not going to give a damn about this innocent young gay Iranian national, they just want him sent back to Iran. Those brainless Arizona rednecks will do anything to ingratiate themselves with both the tea baggers and the christian fundamentalist lunatics.


    Couldn't have said it any better. Bravo.
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    May 26, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    Wait why can't they just deport him to California instead of Iran? There's plenty of Gay Iranians here in LA.
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    May 26, 2010 9:14 PM GMT
    Regardless, he is illegally here. Although it is a sad situation, he must be sent back to his country. Hopefully he will apply for citizenship. That is all he can do. If there is an exception made to this man, than how many other thousands are going to want exceptions? There would be chaos. Everyone would be shouting descrimination. I seriously doubt he is going to be executed. The law must be enforced.
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    May 26, 2010 9:29 PM GMT
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    Mepark saidIran will not execute him. He would have to be caught engaging in gay sex for any trial to take place. And I said TRIAL, not immediate execution. I don't know who gives you that information. If you're not aware, the Iranian government subsidizes the most sex change operations in the world, that means there are plenty of gay men and women roaming around the country.
    I don't think a gay man that undergoes a sex change is technically a gay man anymore, but a transsexual.


    I don't think that either. but what I obviously meant is being gay in of itself is not illegal in Iran. There are plenty of gay men and women "roaming around the country" BEFORE THEIR SEX CHANGE, and the government recognizes that by their (yes, ridiculous) policy on sex changes.

    With that being said, this man should still be granted permanent status. Not because he's gay, but because he lived the majority of his young life in this country and it would be difficult to adjust to living elsewhere.
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    May 26, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    I'm a gay Iranian-American and damn this sucks! It's a tough situation, but he is an illegal...so...idk...
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    May 26, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
    Mepark said
    ActiveAndFit said
    Mepark saidIran will not execute him. He would have to be caught engaging in gay sex for any trial to take place. And I said TRIAL, not immediate execution. I don't know who gives you that information. If you're not aware, the Iranian government subsidizes the most sex change operations in the world, that means there are plenty of gay men and women roaming around the country.
    I don't think a gay man that undergoes a sex change is technically a gay man anymore, but a transsexual.


    I don't think that either. but what I obviously meant is being gay in of itself is not illegal in Iran. There are plenty of gay men and women "roaming around the country" BEFORE THEIR SEX CHANGE, and the government recognizes that by their (yes, ridiculous) policy on sex changes.


    Yeah they can get sex change no problem. I mean it's expensive, but it is absolutely legal by the government to "fix" homosexuals.
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    May 27, 2010 2:52 AM GMT
    guy94hg59 saidRegardless, he is illegally here. Although it is a sad situation, he must be sent back to his country. Hopefully he will apply for citizenship. That is all he can do. If there is an exception made to this man, than how many other thousands are going to want exceptions? There would be chaos. Everyone would be shouting descrimination. I seriously doubt he is going to be executed. The law must be enforced.
    You need to go educate yourself instead of spouting non-sense. The law does not say that anyone not here "legally" MUST be deported. The government has the option to extend to him a visa or a permanent residency.

    You apparently have issues seeing beyond black and white and do NOT know what you are talking about. The government and/or a judge can and do make thousands of exceptions every year. The only chaos is in your head .. it is called confusion.
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    May 27, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
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    guy94hg59 saidRegardless, he is illegally here. Although it is a sad situation, he must be sent back to his country. Hopefully he will apply for citizenship. That is all he can do. If there is an exception made to this man, than how many other thousands are going to want exceptions? There would be chaos. Everyone would be shouting descrimination. I seriously doubt he is going to be executed. The law must be enforced.
    You need to go educate yourself instead of spouting non-sense. The law does not say that anyone not here "legally" MUST be deported. The government has the option to extend to him a visa or a permanent residency.

    You apparently have issues seeing beyond black and white and do NOT know what you are talking about. The government and/or a judge can and do make thousands of exceptions every year. The only chaos is in your head .. it is called confusion.


    I'd add, it's hard to see why this guy should suffer when he had no culpability.
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    May 27, 2010 3:34 AM GMT
    guy94hg59 saidRegardless, he is illegally here. Although it is a sad situation, he must be sent back to his country.


    I call BULLSHIT on this.

    Dichotomous and illogical laws are meant to be broken. I wish I could marry this Iranian gay JUST to keep him here in the US. This is horrifying the situation he is in.

    Moreover, now that he faces execution in Iran he should be staying to seek asylum. Sending him back to get murdered means the US is assisting in murder.
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    May 27, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said
    guy94hg59 saidRegardless, he is illegally here. Although it is a sad situation, he must be sent back to his country. Hopefully he will apply for citizenship. That is all he can do. If there is an exception made to this man, than how many other thousands are going to want exceptions? There would be chaos. Everyone would be shouting descrimination. I seriously doubt he is going to be executed. The law must be enforced.
    You need to go educate yourself instead of spouting non-sense. The law does not say that anyone not here "legally" MUST be deported. The government has the option to extend to him a visa or a permanent residency.

    You apparently have issues seeing beyond black and white and do NOT know what you are talking about. The government and/or a judge can and do make thousands of exceptions every year. The only chaos is in your head .. it is called confusion.


    +1 for ActiveAndFit ;)
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    May 27, 2010 3:39 AM GMT
    Good aching grief, the guy's been the US since he was three? On top of tossing him into a foreign culture, he's going to have to know how to navigate society there so he doesn't end up with a forced sex change.

    This is nuts.