Christian Groups: "Biblical armageddon must be taught alongside global warming".

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    May 26, 2010 7:08 AM GMT

    Christian Groups: Biblical Armageddon Must Be Taught Alongside Global Warming

    "Um, excuse me, the seas will turn to blood!"
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    May 26, 2010 4:12 PM GMT
    They are all parable and metaphors that the fleshy , earthly mind of man wants to emphasis to sensationalize the scriptures. They should try teaching the correct nature of salvation to people before teachiing them falsely about the end of the world. Most of the book of revelation is not to be taken literally, but have it terms defined by the rest of the scriptures.
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    I JUST LOVE THE ONION! THANK GOD FOR IT!
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    housetrancformer saidThey are all parable and metaphors that the fleshy , earthly mind of man wants to emphasis to sensationalize the scriptures. They should try teaching the correct nature of salvation to people before teachiing them falsely about the end of the world. Most of the book of revelation is not to be taken literally, but have it terms defined by the rest of the scriptures.


    Exactly. What is revealed in Revelation is apocalyptic literature (visions), not literal events. Revelation simply points out the fact that the love of most will grow cold and become lovers of themselves. We certainly see this happening in America with a fixation on material things and money--the unhealthy and slave filled desire for wealth. It's what leads many to the Casinos, thinking they will get rich instantly, while in the end it leaves one poorer. Obama recognizes that gambling is a major contributer to the downfall of the economy and laws have recently been passed that you can not use credit to gamble online. Some people are spending their life savings on gambling, thinking they will get rich, but it makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

    Revelation also reveals the apostasy of the visible Christian church with its spiritual apathy and false teaching leading souls away from Christ. We certainly see all signs described in Revelation, but it's anyone's guess how much worse we may have to fall yet. We haven't quite yet reach bottom, but we are certainly headed in that direction.We have been making a downhill path for over 30 years now and there is no sign that this is going to change.
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    Jun 05, 2010 4:44 AM GMT
    more barefootdude:

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    Jun 05, 2010 4:46 AM GMT
    "Biblical armageddon must be taught alongside global warming".

    How about armageddon taught along with creationism
    and "global warming" along with evolution?
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    Jun 05, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    barefooterExactly. What is revealed in Revelation is apocalyptic literature (visions), not literal events. Revelation simply points out the fact that the love of most will grow cold and become lovers of themselves.


    Where exactly is the disclaimer in Revelation that says it is all metaphor?? Did Jesus just expect us to just say, "DUH, this can't be for real"?

    Oh no, wait wait...maybe the holy spirit is supposed to tell us..? Is that why so many people have it so different? Because while you're saying it's not literal there are too many other religiots that claim it's all for real!
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    Jun 05, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    It gets worse ewe_nik, a little while ago he had a topic about a local heatwave and referenced it to those same revelations. So he does take it literally.

    Then there was that 2012 thing.


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    Jun 06, 2010 4:58 AM GMT
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    barefooterExactly. What is revealed in Revelation is apocalyptic literature (visions), not literal events. Revelation simply points out the fact that the love of most will grow cold and become lovers of themselves.


    Where exactly is the disclaimer in Revelation that says it is all metaphor?? Did Jesus just expect us to just say, "DUH, this can't be for real"?

    Oh no, wait wait...maybe the holy spirit is supposed to tell us..? Is that why so many people have it so different? Because while you're saying it's not literal there are too many other religiots that claim it's all for real!


    Do you know what is meant by a vision? That should answer your question. It's describing real events, but in the form of a vision. Jesus taught in parables and the text specifically states when he was talking in parable.--so these were stories, illustrations.
    It says there was no longer any seas in the new age. Does that mean the new earth will have no seas? Not necessarily. Seas often created danger, so showing the new age not having any danger of any kind.
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    Jun 06, 2010 5:04 AM GMT
    Some people get visions by licking frogs. Is that what you mean, barefootdude? Even the native americans had spirit journeys involving psycho-enhanced drugs and their multiple gods (spirits) are just as real to them as your little book of funfiction is to you.
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    Jboegz saidSome people get visions by licking frogs. Is that what you mean, barefootdude? Even the native americans had spirit journeys involving psycho-enhanced drugs and their multiple gods (spirits) are just as real to them as your little book of funfiction is to you.


    There's no purpose in arguing with you. Do as you wish.
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    Jboegz saidSome people get visions by licking frogs. Is that what you mean, barefootdude? Even the native americans had spirit journeys involving psycho-enhanced drugs and their multiple gods (spirits) are just as real to them as your little book of funfiction is to you.


    There's no purpose in arguing with you. Do as you wish.


    If I have deeply offended you I apologize. I was just taught to question everything.
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    barebackerDo you know what is meant by a vision? That should answer your question. It's describing real events, but in the form of a vision. Jesus taught in parables and the text specifically states when he was talking in parable.--so these were stories, illustrations.
    It says there was no longer any seas in the new age. Does that mean the new earth will have no seas? Not necessarily. Seas often created danger, so showing the new age not having any danger of any kind.


    So it's all just story tales that can be interpreted however the reader sees fit. Good job God. You just confused everybody. And he wonders why so many follow Satan instead....
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    barebackerDo you know what is meant by a vision? That should answer your question. It's describing real events, but in the form of a vision. Jesus taught in parables and the text specifically states when he was talking in parable.--so these were stories, illustrations.
    It says there was no longer any seas in the new age. Does that mean the new earth will have no seas? Not necessarily. Seas often created danger, so showing the new age not having any danger of any kind.


    So it's all just story tales that can be interpreted however the reader sees fit. Good job God. You just confused everybody. And he wonders why so many follow Satan instead....


    LOL. NO, they can not be interpreted how the reader sees fit. They have to be interpreted in context and in connection with what is said elsewhere in the rest of Scripture. You must always let Scripture interpret Scripture by letting clear passages interpret more difficult ones. If the interpretation of a difficult one contradicts the clear ones, then you know the interpretation you have given it, is wrong. You also must keep in mind the purpose of the book and what the book is meant to teach and what it is not meant to teach. The author, grammar, syntax, and vocable meanings of words which are used elsewhere in Scripture, will indicate the meaning. In very difficult passages, we may just have to admit, there is no definite interpretation here, but several possibilities. No teaching is based on only those difficult. verses. Every teaching has other places which are clear. Every interpretation must be in harmony with what Christ says elsewhere. For example, if you think a verse seems to indicate we can predict the exact date and hour of his return, you should be able to see clearly that this is an obvious misinterpretation because Jesus is very clear in many other different places that this is not true. This should tell you that you are misunderstanding the diffilcut verse. Interpretation always has to move from clear passage to diffilcult and not the other way around. But so many try to establish doctrine on difficullt passages. If it's truly a teaching of Scripture, it will be stated absolutely clear in other places.

    NEVER use the book of Revelation as your starting point for interpreting Scripture. Your mind will run wild that will conflict with the rest of Scripture. The book of Revelation was intended for believers only as a comfort in the midst of a very troubled and traumatic world in the last days. The pictures in Revelation are very disturbing to Christians, but the book assures that the end result of it all will be glorious for God's people. Revelation describes the days just preceding the coming of Christ as being very difficult for anyone (both beleivers and unbelievers to live in). Many believers will be at the verge of giving up their faith, but Christ says he will cut the days short, so as not to lose any of his people. The last days are described as a purifying process in which the separation between believers and unbelievers is occuring. The anti christ is being revealed and the difference between believers and unbelievers becomes much more noticebale and indentifiable and the hatred of unbelievers toward Christ and his followers becomes more outwardly pronounced and we possibly could even return to the days of intense persecution when true Christians are executed for their faith. But Jesus says in Revelation, "10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life."

    Even death itself can not separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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    housetrancformer saidThey are all parable and metaphors that the fleshy , earthly mind of man wants to emphasis to sensationalize the scriptures. They should try teaching the correct nature of salvation to people before teachiing them falsely about the end of the world. Most of the book of revelation is not to be taken literally, but have it terms defined by the rest of the scriptures.


    Exactly. What is revealed in Revelation is apocalyptic literature (visions), not literal events. Revelation simply points out the fact that the love of most will grow cold and become lovers of themselves. We certainly see this happening in America with a fixation on material things and money--the unhealthy and slave filled desire for wealth. It's what leads many to the Casinos, thinking they will get rich instantly, while in the end it leaves one poorer. Obama recognizes that gambling is a major contributer to the downfall of the economy and laws have recently been passed that you can not use credit to gamble online. Some people are spending their life savings on gambling, thinking they will get rich, but it makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

    Revelation also reveals the apostasy of the visible Christian church with its spiritual apathy and false teaching leading souls away from Christ. We certainly see all signs described in Revelation, but it's anyone's guess how much worse we may have to fall yet. We haven't quite yet reach bottom, but we are certainly headed in that direction.We have been making a downhill path for over 30 years now and there is no sign that this is going to change.


    That's debateable Barefoot. The majority of Christians hold to the view that Revelations is a foretelling of future events that will indeed happen to planet earth.
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    Jun 06, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    I'd rather that instead of blood..... "The seas will turn to oil" might be more prudent at this point in time.


    Good god.

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    Jun 06, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI'd rather that instead of blood..... "The seas will turn to oil" might be more prudent at this point in time.


    Good god.

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    You know, some consider oil to be the blood of the Earth. OMG. IT IS NOW UPON US. REPENT....REPENT I SAY!!! icon_lol.gif
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    barefootdude said
    housetrancformer saidThey are all parable and metaphors that the fleshy , earthly mind of man wants to emphasis to sensationalize the scriptures. They should try teaching the correct nature of salvation to people before teachiing them falsely about the end of the world. Most of the book of revelation is not to be taken literally, but have it terms defined by the rest of the scriptures.


    Exactly. What is revealed in Revelation is apocalyptic literature (visions), not literal events. Revelation simply points out the fact that the love of most will grow cold and become lovers of themselves. We certainly see this happening in America with a fixation on material things and money--the unhealthy and slave filled desire for wealth. It's what leads many to the Casinos, thinking they will get rich instantly, while in the end it leaves one poorer. Obama recognizes that gambling is a major contributer to the downfall of the economy and laws have recently been passed that you can not use credit to gamble online. Some people are spending their life savings on gambling, thinking they will get rich, but it makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

    Revelation also reveals the apostasy of the visible Christian church with its spiritual apathy and false teaching leading souls away from Christ. We certainly see all signs described in Revelation, but it's anyone's guess how much worse we may have to fall yet. We haven't quite yet reach bottom, but we are certainly headed in that direction.We have been making a downhill path for over 30 years now and there is no sign that this is going to change.


    That's debateable Barefoot. The majority of Christians hold to the view that Revelations is a foretelling of future events that will indeed happen to planet earth.



    Of course they will happen and are happening as we speak. But one needs to be careful about interpreting literally since the text clearly states this is a VISION--the measurements and thickness of the walls in heaven is a case in point. Just take a look sometime at how thick the walls are measured at-- and why do the walls have to be so thick since the gates are always open? This is very picturesque language in human terms given in the form of a vision as the text clearly states. Visions and parables that are given in the Bible and are never to be regarded literally and when God uses visions and parables, the text always clearly states this.
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    Jun 06, 2010 8:10 PM GMT
    Many people want to lump Genesis with the literature of Revelation. But nowhere's in Genesis does it state anywhere that these are visions or parables. That is an assumption that the text does not state. The majority of Christians regard the events of Genesis as historical and actual events as the text indicates.
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    barebackboy also saidLOL. NO, they can not be interpreted how the reader sees fit. They have to be interpreted in context and in connection with what is said elsewhere in the rest of Scripture. You must always let Scripture interpret Scripture by letting clear passages interpret more difficult ones. If the interpretation of a difficult one contradicts the clear ones, then you know the interpretation you have given it, is wrong. You also must keep in mind the purpose of the book and what the book is meant to teach and what it is not meant to teach. The author, grammar, syntax, and vocable meanings of words which are used elsewhere in Scripture, will indicate the meaning. In very difficult passages, we may just have to admit, there is no definite interpretation here, but several possibilities. No teaching is based on only those difficult. verses. Every teaching has other places which are clear. Every interpretation must be in harmony with what Christ says elsewhere. For example, if you think a verse seems to indicate we can predict the exact date and hour of his return, you should be able to see clearly that this is an obvious misinterpretation because Jesus is very clear in many other different places that this is not true. This should tell you that you are misunderstanding the diffilcut verse. Interpretation always has to move from clear passage to diffilcult and not the other way around. But so many try to establish doctrine on difficullt passages. If it's truly a teaching of Scripture, it will be stated absolutely clear in other places.

    NEVER use the book of Revelation as your starting point for interpreting Scripture. Your mind will run wild that will conflict with the rest of Scripture. The book of Revelation was intended for believers only as a comfort in the midst of a very troubled and traumatic world in the last days. The pictures in Revelation are very disturbing to Christians, but the book assures that the end result of it all will be glorious for God's people. Revelation describes the days just preceding the coming of Christ as being very difficult for anyone (both beleivers and unbelievers to live in). Many believers will be at the verge of giving up their faith, but Christ says he will cut the days short, so as not to lose any of his people. The last days are described as a purifying process in which the separation between believers and unbelievers is occuring. The anti christ is being revealed and the difference between believers and unbelievers becomes much more noticebale and indentifiable and the hatred of unbelievers toward Christ and his followers becomes more outwardly pronounced and we possibly could even return to the days of intense persecution when true Christians are executed for their faith. But Jesus says in Revelation, "10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life."

    Even death itself can not separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


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    Once again, Jesus and God do not intend for us to actually understand the scripture. What you are saying is more confounding than anything people write on purpose! Who the fuck writes reference material and expects people to do mental olympics to understand the shit? Only religious writers! Why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REAL ANSWERS! It's just like Miss Cleo or any other witch doctor. Anyone with a healthy degree of skepticism would find ambiguous language from a fortune teller to be indicative that the quack is whack. But when you hear ambiguous language from your own religious leaders or your own religious script, it just means that "God works in mysterious ways"? OOhhh, scary God. If God had real answers to offer, and decided to co-author a book about all those answers, then he is an EVIL GOD to make the book impossible to understand with any sense of clarity! He might as well had not even put forth the effort!

    Oh, and now barebackboy will say that it is not impossible to understand, and will try to help us understand by going into some long ass scriptural interpretation that will just wrap it all together and make us love Jesus again... Get out of my face dude.
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    barebackboy also saidLOL. NO, they can not be interpreted how the reader sees fit. They have to be interpreted in context and in connection with what is said elsewhere in the rest of Scripture. You must always let Scripture interpret Scripture by letting clear passages interpret more difficult ones. If the interpretation of a difficult one contradicts the clear ones, then you know the interpretation you have given it, is wrong. You also must keep in mind the purpose of the book and what the book is meant to teach and what it is not meant to teach. The author, grammar, syntax, and vocable meanings of words which are used elsewhere in Scripture, will indicate the meaning. In very difficult passages, we may just have to admit, there is no definite interpretation here, but several possibilities. No teaching is based on only those difficult. verses. Every teaching has other places which are clear. Every interpretation must be in harmony with what Christ says elsewhere. For example, if you think a verse seems to indicate we can predict the exact date and hour of his return, you should be able to see clearly that this is an obvious misinterpretation because Jesus is very clear in many other different places that this is not true. This should tell you that you are misunderstanding the diffilcut verse. Interpretation always has to move from clear passage to diffilcult and not the other way around. But so many try to establish doctrine on difficullt passages. If it's truly a teaching of Scripture, it will be stated absolutely clear in other places.

    NEVER use the book of Revelation as your starting point for interpreting Scripture. Your mind will run wild that will conflict with the rest of Scripture. The book of Revelation was intended for believers only as a comfort in the midst of a very troubled and traumatic world in the last days. The pictures in Revelation are very disturbing to Christians, but the book assures that the end result of it all will be glorious for God's people. Revelation describes the days just preceding the coming of Christ as being very difficult for anyone (both beleivers and unbelievers to live in). Many believers will be at the verge of giving up their faith, but Christ says he will cut the days short, so as not to lose any of his people. The last days are described as a purifying process in which the separation between believers and unbelievers is occuring. The anti christ is being revealed and the difference between believers and unbelievers becomes much more noticebale and indentifiable and the hatred of unbelievers toward Christ and his followers becomes more outwardly pronounced and we possibly could even return to the days of intense persecution when true Christians are executed for their faith. But Jesus says in Revelation, "10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life."

    Even death itself can not separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


    Rant follows:

    Once again, Jesus and God do not intend for us to actually understand the scripture. What you are saying is more confounding than anything people write on purpose! Who the fuck writes reference material and expects people to do mental olympics to understand the shit? Only religious writers! Why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REAL ANSWERS! It's just like Miss Cleo or any other witch doctor. Anyone with a healthy degree of skepticism would find ambiguous language from a fortune teller to be indicative that the quack is whack. But when you hear ambiguous language from your own religious leaders or your own religious script, it just means that "God works in mysterious ways"? OOhhh, scary God. If God had real answers to offer, and decided to co-author a book about all those answers, then he is an EVIL GOD to make the book impossible to understand with any sense of clarity! He might as well had not even put forth the effort!

    Oh, and now barebackboy will say that it is not impossible to understand, and will try to help us understand by going into some long ass scriptural interpretation that will just wrap it all together and make us love Jesus again... Get out of my face dude.


    The Bible's main message and it's instruction on how one has eternal life is actually very simple. Even the mentally handicap have no difficullty understanding that Jesus loves them. Even little children know the Bible very well and would put a lot of adults to shame because they know more about the Bible then even adults. The biggest problem with most people is they have never read most of the Bible, so they are bascially rejecting something they have never read themself. The English translation called the New International Version of the Bible uses a vocabulary and grammatical sentence structure that is a 4th grade reading level. So this claim that the Bible is so hard to understand, that's why they don't read it iis just a big excuse for not wanting to read it.
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    Jun 08, 2010 4:51 PM GMT
    lol, another bold faced lie. icon_lol.gif

    "Even the mentally handicap have no difficullty understanding that Jesus loves them."

    I know mentally handicapped people from my years in volunteer work that can't even understand sentences.


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    now-anonymous boyThe Bible's main message and it's instruction on how one has eternal life is actually very simple. Even the mentally handicap have no difficullty understanding that Jesus loves them. Even little children know the Bible very well and would put a lot of adults to shame because they know more about the Bible then even adults. The biggest problem with most people is they have never read most of the Bible, so they are bascially rejecting something they have never read themself. The English translation called the New International Version of the Bible uses a vocabulary and grammatical sentence structure that is a 4th grade reading level. So this claim that the Bible is so hard to understand, that's why they don't read it iis just a big excuse for not wanting to read it.


    The message is not simple. The stories are not believable. The facts are all wrong. The morals are misguided and even evil in many cases. The bible is by no means simple.

    For the record, I have read the book cover-to-cover, but only as a child was I naive enough to think it could be words of a flawless deity. It is an evil god that would march around his people in the wilderness until they die off, because they wouldn't listen to him. It is an evil god that would open the earth and swallow people into flames for doubting his prophet. It is an evil god that would require bloodshed for forgiveness of sins [AGAINST HIM!], even going so far as to encourage sacrifice of children, especially in the case of his own self-proclaimed son!

    I just find it unfortunate that people obtain their morals and basic philosophies from a book so primitive and so tainted. God help you.
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    now-anonymous boyThe Bible's main message and it's instruction on how one has eternal life is actually very simple. Even the mentally handicap have no difficullty understanding that Jesus loves them. Even little children know the Bible very well and would put a lot of adults to shame because they know more about the Bible then even adults. The biggest problem with most people is they have never read most of the Bible, so they are bascially rejecting something they have never read themself. The English translation called the New International Version of the Bible uses a vocabulary and grammatical sentence structure that is a 4th grade reading level. So this claim that the Bible is so hard to understand, that's why they don't read it iis just a big excuse for not wanting to read it.


    The message is not simple. The stories are not believable. The facts are all wrong. The morals are misguided and even evil in many cases. The bible is by no means simple.

    For the record, I have read the book cover-to-cover, but only as a child was I naive enough to think it could be words of a flawless deity. It is an evil god that would march around his people in the wilderness until they die off, because they wouldn't listen to him. It is an evil god that would open the earth and swallow people into flames for doubting his prophet. It is an evil god that would require bloodshed for forgiveness of sins [AGAINST HIM!], even going so far as to encourage sacrifice of children, especially in the case of his own self-proclaimed son!

    I just find it unfortunate that people obtain their morals and basic philosophies from a book so primitive and so tainted. God help you.


    What's evil or misguided in the 10 Commandments? If people would follow them, we wouldn't have people thinking it's right to hate and murder people, lie, cheat, steal, commit adultery etc. That's half our problem today is people's morals are so fucked up that they think God approves these things or even think God wants them to do these things. Sorry, but I think his commandments are good. I find it really strange that you see anything wrong in them.

    And I am glad that God does hold people accountable and swallows them into flames when they do evil stuff like this and will not repent. If he didn't judge people and hold them accountabe for doing these evil things, I'd be upset with him because that is not a just God who just lets people do whatever they want. People may think that they can get away with evil stuff like this, but they should burn in hell--the hotter the better. They didn't care who they hurt and killed, so why should God just let them get away with crap like this. There's no way I would worship a God who just lets people do whatever they want. They are a bunch of spoiled brats and have everything coming to them. I don't feel sorry for such people one bit. They are lucky I am not God because I would give them more than hell.

    We have all sinned sometimes and I'm glad he does forgive because of the death of his Son. I feel bad when I sin, but when other people don't and think they can get away with all this shit, I think they should burn. God knew his Son would rise again, so why is that evil to you? If God just overlooked all the evil people did, that would really be a bad God. I don't think we would ever put up with a judge today who just lets people get off the hook, so I don't know why you think God should. That's not a just God who just lets people get away with shit like this..
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    If you have a strong religious point of view and want your children educated that way then send them to a private religious school. Dont expect taxpayers to fund what you believe.