Any Songwriters Out There?

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    May 26, 2010 12:33 PM GMT
    I've always been very musical with a good ear for recreating songs on the piano, etc. Now I'm trying to get more into songwriting (both lyrics and the musical part). I guess I'm just curious: What's your process? Lyrics first, then music? Do you change it up? What inspires you?
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    May 26, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
    Instrumental only. The only words I write are usually crass and/or policitally incorrect parodies of other songs.
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    May 26, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    I got ya. What kind of instrumentals? Garage band style or real instruments?
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    May 26, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    I work as a songwriter. Most of my cuts have been released not in the US but in Europe. Close to 1.000.000 units sold thus far.
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    May 26, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
    I've been writing poetry for years, and lately have been lucky enough to come up with more creative ideas. Funny that you post this today, because it was just last night that I was attempting to write my first song with the help of someone who knows music, and it was incredibly difficult for me. I have the words aspect of it, just not the music. It's easy to get inspired, but I would really love to meet an actual musician to work with. I think plenty of people have this issue, which is why a large number of songs are written by more than one person.
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    May 26, 2010 5:45 PM GMT
    I tend to start off with lyrics and a melody and work my way outward. It is much easier for me to catch a steady flow that way and I hardly ever get writer's block. For some reason, when I write to an already written and/or arranged instrumental I can never seem to complete the song. I'm working on it though.
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    May 26, 2010 5:46 PM GMT
    Me, I try to write my own material & I've been known to belt a few covers myself. I sing from the pit of my stomach. I would rather work on my music & go jogging before I give the satisfaction of letting someone see me lose my grip on my insanity, hence the sarcasm. Ask me who I can sing along the lines of.

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    May 26, 2010 6:11 PM GMT
    Yes I change it up, it usually starts as an idea then what ever comes out first is what I use. Writing from what I know, and feel or what someone tells me about.

    Good Luck,

    Just have fun and let it flow.
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    May 26, 2010 6:15 PM GMT
    Ejay311 saidI've always been very musical with a good ear for recreating songs on the piano, etc. Now I'm trying to get more into songwriting (both lyrics and the musical part). I guess I'm just curious: What's your process? Lyrics first, then music? Do you change it up? What inspires you?


    Are you clasically trained on the piano, or are you self taught?
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    May 26, 2010 8:15 PM GMT
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    May 26, 2010 8:16 PM GMT
    Here's me performing a song that I wrote...

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    May 26, 2010 8:47 PM GMT
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    EJAY311, I worked for a short while with a sort of iconic muscial theatre lyricist and composer and it taught me a great deal. His philosophy is simple - listen to the loudest voice first. The music sometimes comes to you before the lyrics, but the lyrics can often lead you to a better melody. Write first what you feel, then pair them to make better sense out of your intention, and don't let either one take over. That's how you end up with trunk songs (although he had a second life with shows based on his trunk songs).

    It's all about 'putting it together'.

    If you're not a soloist, and are looking for a collaborator, find someone who isn't so territorial. I'm a lyricist, but my collaborators always have been men who were able to work both ends, and I've made contributions to melody on many occasions.

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    May 26, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    All great feedback!

    guy94hg59Are you clasically trained on the piano, or are you self taught?


    I took piano lessons when I was about 7-9 then again from about 14-16. Mostly self taught. I just listen to songs and figure them out. I did take a few music theory classes in college. Also, I sang in two choirs and formed an A Cappella group for which I arranged most of the songs. You can get an idea of the things I do sometimes on my youtube (youtube.com/ejay311).

    dwiggypopI tend to start off with lyrics and a melody and work my way outward. It is much easier for me to catch a steady flow that way and I hardly ever get writer's block. For some reason, when I write to an already written and/or arranged instrumental I can never seem to complete the song. I'm working on it though.


    This sounds like a strategy that would work for me, at least to make me grow as a writer since I haven't tried it too much yet.

    Again thanks for all the great feedback! Time to get to writing.
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    May 29, 2010 1:59 AM GMT
    i like to record guitar songs i write.. i posted one here but no one viewed the thread or commented haha.
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    May 29, 2010 2:02 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 saidi like to record guitar songs i write.. i posted one here but no one viewed the thread or commented haha.


    Aw. Well post it in this thread!
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    May 29, 2010 2:51 AM GMT
    I think normally the best songs to write are from your heart or from a passion of yours. Start first with a concept/idea for a song and then just start writing down lyrics/words on paper from their you can prob come up with a verse or two. Then hopefully you can get a beat or some kind of music to make your lyrics flow. Just repeat a sentence or two you've written down in your head and see what comes out. Normally the hardest part is the Chorus and the hooks because they have to be catchy. Best of luck to ya though clearly you have the passion.
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    May 29, 2010 2:51 AM GMT
    Here's a song I wrote after a break up and it kinda shows you my style of writing which is to tell a story. Hope it helps..

    Thinking back on when we first got together/
    I once thought that you could be around forever/
    Just you and me/ but now that’s not the way it seems/
    How could I hold on for so long/ to a dream that was already gone/
    You knew how I felt/ yet you kept your feelings to yourself/
    You could've just told me that your sorry/ before it came to this
    But now here comes the pain…

    You say goodbye/ and tell me you don't know/
    I just wanted to know why/ since the answer’s no/
    You were my first/ now that’s the past/
    You've moved on/ time goes by so fast/
    And I remember every word you said/
    It keeps spinning around in my head/
    But it don't matter what I try to do/
    I know I’ll never forget about you/

    So I took another chance/ when I came to see you/
    And out of the confusion/ I still trusted you/
    Cause after all we’ve been through/ this trip was so overdue/
    I’m sitting in your apartment/ wondering if this where I belong/
    I try to fall asleep/ yet inside my heart I feel so alone/
    This was never the picture I painted in my head/
    Yet just like the rose our love really is dead/
    Someone please take away this pain…

    You say goodbye/ and tell me you don't know/
    I just wanted to know why/ since the answer’s no/
    You were my first/ now that’s the past/
    You've moved on/ time goes by so fast/
    And I remember every word you said/
    It keeps spinning around in my head/
    But it don't matter what I try to do/
    I know I’ll never forget about you/

    How did it come to this/ an empty heart filled with regret/
    The plan ride home will be one/ I’ll just want to forget/
    So much space between us/ We’ll never know what was meant to be/
    Just the memory you left for me/ and the end of you and me /

    You say goodbye/ and tell me you don't know/
    I just wanted to know why/ since the answer’s no/
    You were my first/ now that’s the past/
    You've moved on/ time goes by so fast/
    And I remember every word you said/
    It keeps spinning around in my head/
    But it don't matter what I try to do/
    I know I’ll never forget about you/

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    May 29, 2010 1:14 PM GMT
    Ejay,
    Thank you for this thread.
    I sold my medical practice after 30 yrs to become a singer-songwriter.
    Like you I was a choirboy who like musical theater.
    With time I loved opera, even starting and running an opera company.
    I enrolled in music school and found a great composition teacher.

    For me a song starts with the lyrics. With those in mind, I find composing relatively easy. With purely instrumental works, I am lost. I write piano/cabaret type songs for myself and opera songs for my friends. I seem to have a knack for writing songs in Spanish (great lyrics). My favorite story is that a friend in NY gave me a book of poems which I read on the plane home.
    On the train to the city I composed a song in my mind so I then ran to my condo and put it down on paper within an hour. lt is exciting when the creative process flows. But again it is the lyrics that inspire me.
    It you want to chat more, visit my profile.

    by the way, being a physician pays better.
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    May 29, 2010 1:32 PM GMT
    Music first, then lyrics.



    Say Goodbye, Baby

    This sovereign motor nation
    gave me an obligation
    now, don't make no big sensation, but
    I'm heading off to war
    So, say goodbye, baby
    oh, say goodbye
    and I'll try not to die

    My car one thousand horses
    protecting my resources
    no reason for divorcin', but
    I'm heading off to war
    So, say goodbye, baby
    oh, say goodbye
    and I'll try not to die

    say, goodbye
    you know I'll be back again
    and things will be right again
    I hope I'll be back again

    My very raison d'etre
    to make my own life better
    now, don't rip apart you sweater, but
    I'm heading off to war
    So, say goodbye, baby
    oh, say goodbye
    and I'll try not to die
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    May 29, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
    Ejay311 saidI got ya. What kind of instrumentals? Garage band style or real instruments?
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    May 29, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    Hi there, songwriter here. www.soundcloud.com/rainharlequin

    I tend to work with basic chord sequences, or synthetic intruments or
    loops that feel like a "groove" of sorts. Then I tend to ad lib lyrics to give me a rough template of how I want the song to go. Then I go back, tweak lyrics to sound less clunky, refine the melody line, then add other vocal harmonies, and work on a song-structure that appeals to me.

    Playing an intrument such as piano definitely helps. That and a radius of scrap paper, hehe

    Callum, edinburgh. www.myspace.com/rainharlequin

    oh and
    ultimately, knowing what you're actually writing about helps the song have a sense of cohesion. Instead of several disconnected lines of lyrics that make no sense.
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    May 29, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    Ejay311 said
    RuggedRanger15 saidi like to record guitar songs i write.. i posted one here but no one viewed the thread or commented haha.


    Aw. Well post it in this thread!



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    Jun 01, 2010 3:16 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 said
    Ejay311 said
    RuggedRanger15 saidi like to record guitar songs i write.. i posted one here but no one viewed the thread or commented haha.


    Aw. Well post it in this thread!



    http://www.supload.com/listen?s=l0vJrW icon_cool.gif



    Checked out a few and they sound great! I especially like "Once was lost." The progression definitely keeps your interest.

    frailtofoxyHi there, songwriter here. www.soundcloud.com/rainharlequin

    I tend to work with basic chord sequences, or synthetic intruments or
    loops that feel like a "groove" of sorts. Then I tend to ad lib lyrics to give me a rough template of how I want the song to go. Then I go back, tweak lyrics to sound less clunky, refine the melody line, then add other vocal harmonies, and work on a song-structure that appeals to me.


    I really like your sound, and I think you have an amazing voice. Some trip-hop, down tempo stuff going on there. 'Lucid Light' gives me a bit of a Dredg vibe (not sure if you've heard of them, but I really like their stuff).

    Loving this thread! You are an inspiring bunch.
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    Jun 01, 2010 3:22 AM GMT
    Ejay311 saidI've always been very musical with a good ear for recreating songs on the piano, etc. Now I'm trying to get more into songwriting (both lyrics and the musical part). I guess I'm just curious: What's your process? Lyrics first, then music? Do you change it up? What inspires you?


    I write occasionally from time to time and it's usually random thought or idea that I think would make for a good song, and I kinda expand upon it and have a general idea of how the melody goes and how I want the rest of the song to go... Alas I play no musical instruments, so they only go so far and then get tossed in a box....

    I know one would be a great pop hit along the lines of "I want your sex" George Michael... or "I wanna sex you up" Color me Badd
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    Jun 02, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    I can do a mean Ad-lib to most pop songs...

    Sometimes funny sometimes just tragic, lol icon_smile.gif