No more words. It's time for action. Let's see which party is on our side.

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    May 27, 2010 4:55 AM GMT
    President Obama and the Democrats are going full force to try and get DADT repealed this week.
    As of now, almost every single Republican seems likely to vote AGAINST the repeal of DADT.

    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/05/26/dont-ask-dont-tell/?xid=rss-topstories

    We've heard a lot of BS talk from Republicans about how there's no difference between the Dems and the Repubs on gay rights issues.
    This week, we'll see if there's any truth to that, or if - when it comes to ACTIONS not words - the Democrats vote for our equal rights, and the Republicans vote against us.

    No more BS spin from right-wingers trying to help elect Republicans.

    The truth will be revealed.
  • ep83

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    May 27, 2010 5:54 AM GMT
    This is a sham repeal that would not accomplish much. It would require approval by the President, Secretary of Defense, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs that the military is "ready" (which they will stall and find excuses about indefinitely), allows the military to complete its "study" of whether (not really how) to repeal, and, most importantly, would not mandate equal treatment. This means that allowing open service would still be up to the whim of the Executive Branch and any regulations allowing it could be reversed. I would shed no tears to see it defeated. Gay rights advocates, and progressives generally, should not allow themselves to be bought off or placated with condescending non-actions. If they fail to get cover from this farce, perhaps they would be pressured to act on other issues that actually would make a difference. I wouldn't hold my breath for that either, though one can hope.
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    May 27, 2010 9:15 AM GMT
    This is asinine, clearly the Military brass has acknowledged that they need to repeal it, this is not sham legislation. The legislation repeals DADT, yes the executive branch has to be in an agreement with the Pentagon for it to eventually go through, but it guarantees that there will be a repeal once the review is done. The review is on when and how to work in a repeal, NOT if to repeal. In addition I pose the question, does anyone out there actually believe that the Pentagon, or the U.S Congress would even be considering a repeal if Republicans where in power? Likely not, so a positive step is a good step and we should appreciate that, i'm sure our fellow gays in the military see this as a positive step and are not lining up to criticize progress after years of persecution.
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    May 27, 2010 12:15 PM GMT
    ep83 saidThis is a sham repeal that would not accomplish much. It would require approval by the President, Secretary of Defense, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs that the military is "ready" (which they will stall and find excuses about indefinitely), allows the military to complete its "study" of whether (not really how) to repeal, and, most importantly, would not mandate equal treatment. This means that allowing open service would still be up to the whim of the Executive Branch and any regulations allowing it could be reversed. I would shed no tears to see it defeated. Gay rights advocates, and progressives generally, should not allow themselves to be bought off or placated with condescending non-actions. If they fail to get cover from this farce, perhaps they would be pressured to act on other issues that actually would make a difference. I wouldn't hold my breath for that either, though one can hope.



    Equal treatment laws are already in place. I know.
  • Menergy_1

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    May 27, 2010 2:22 PM GMT
    From Joe.My.God's blogsite and a link to the newspaper article:

    http://www.defense.gov//news/newsarticle.aspx?id=59356

    "Joint Chief Chair Mike Mullen: DADT Deal Lets Us Say IF The Repeal Will Happen
    Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Admiral Mike Mullen says that the proposed DADT compromise deal allows the military to decide whether the repeal will take place at all, regardless of how Congress votes.
    The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said yesterday that he’s comfortable with proposed legislation that seeks to repeal the law that bans gay men and lesbians from serving openly in the military because it includes “very clear language” that gives senior leaders the final say in whether it’s implemented. The proposed amendment, which Congress could put to a vote as soon as this week, wouldn’t immediately go into effect if passed, Navy Adm. Mike Mullen told about 500 servicemembers at a town hall session here. Implementation wouldn’t take place until after a Defense Department study assessing its impact is completed, the chairman explained, and military and defense leaders get to weigh in on the findings. The review, expected to be completed by December, is progressing well, the chairman said, “but by no means is it over.” Mullen said he’s particularly interested in determining how the law’s repeal would affect “readiness, unit cohesion and our ability to do our mission.” That, he said, requires input from the people directly affected.
    Yesterday Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) threw his support behind the compromise deal, but only after he secured an agreement that would delay the repeal for 60 days after a Congressional vote, during which time the president and the Pentagon will review the plan.

    It's looking less and less like this will happen at all this year."

    Doesn't sound to me like the repeal the Admiral and Gates have previously stated "should" happen....
  • Menergy_1

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    May 27, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
    I found this comment on the DADT repeal amendment and suspect there's a lot of truth in it:

    "The President won't be in charge of DADT under this "compromise." It gives Mullen and Gates the statutory power to veto whatever the President wants.

    Now, why would any President agree to allow his subordinates to veto him? Answer: A President who wants his subordinates to veto him and take the heat for keeping DADT in place for years and years."


    Our "fierce advocate" at work......
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    May 27, 2010 5:44 PM GMT
    AbFab1 saidI found this comment on the DADT repeal amendment and suspect there's a lot of truth in it:

    "The President won't be in charge of DADT under this "compromise." It gives Mullen and Gates the statutory power to veto whatever the President wants.

    Now, why would any President agree to allow his subordinates to veto him? Answer: A President who wants his subordinates to veto him and take the heat for keeping DADT in place for years and years."

    Our "fierce advocate" at work...

    And here I thought the President was the Commander-in-Chief. If he's the Follower-in-Chief he should just say so, no more the head of our military than his wife is. I see some serious Constitutional problems with this, if it's being reported correctly. One can certainly delegate a decision to a subordinate, but one cannot abrogate one's ability to override that subordinate.

    And frankly, this should have been directive in the first place, not consultive. Did Truman go through all this consulting and hand-wringing when he integrated the US military? No, he just ordered it, because it was the right thing to do, despite resistance by the military. Try some leadership, Mr. Obama, aka balls.

    And BTW, let's not have Republicans here (and that Republican wannabe in Australia) telling us we should have voted for Republicans. The Republicans are the reason the Democrats are going through this dance. If it were up to the Republican Party, they'd have gays in the military hauled before a firing squad. So let's not hear why Republicans are a better choice, OK?
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    May 27, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
    AbFab1 saidI found this comment on the DADT repeal amendment and suspect there's a lot of truth in it:

    "The President won't be in charge of DADT under this "compromise." It gives Mullen and Gates the statutory power to veto whatever the President wants.

    Now, why would any President agree to allow his subordinates to veto him? Answer: A President who wants his subordinates to veto him and take the heat for keeping DADT in place for years and years."


    Our "fierce advocate" at work......


    Your ill-informed OPINION that Obama WANTS to keep DADT in place is 100% BS.
    The reason for the president and the Democrats in Congress to proceed this way is because it's the only way to get on board all the people necessary to pass the repeal.
    When there's near total Republican obstruction and the opposition of many in the military, you can't just pass whatever you want.

    Just look at what one of the voices of the Republican base is saying about repealing DADT -

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/05/27/FRC_DADT_Repeal_Will_Increase_Gay_Rape/
    And - NO - the Family Research Council is NOT worried about gays being raped.
    They claim that GAYS will be raping straight soldiers if DADT is repealed.
    THAT is the level of opposition and fearmongering that is coming from the right and that has to be overcome.

    Whining and nit-picking about how this measure isn't perfect fails to give the proper and fair credit to the president and the Democrats for trying to thread the needle and get all the support they need to repeal DADT.

    You also misrepresent what Mullen and Gates will have the power to do.
    They'll have the right to shape the implementation process of the repeal based on the information gathered during the ongoing review process, NOT to stop the repeal.

    http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/05/end-dadt-near

    Here is some common sense and facts for you to learn from -

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/26/nicholson.DADT.legislation/index.html?section=cnn_latest

    AGAIN - let's watch and see who in Washington votes for our rights and who doesn't.
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    May 27, 2010 10:55 PM GMT
    dang ricardo.....u still up on deez pooh-litical threads dishing it out with all yo nemesis.....tsk tsk.....lolz
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    May 27, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    joshnyz saiddang ricardo.....u still up on deez pooh-litical threads dishing it out with all yo nemesis.....tsk tsk.....lolz


    Dang Josh - you still don't give a shit about this great country we live in?
    Tsk, tsk, tsk...
    LMFAO!
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    May 27, 2010 11:10 PM GMT
    word.....i aint neva cared much for them pooh-litishuns and them ppl who eat their shit.

    poo-litishuns always be throwing shit....why stick around to smell it ....icon_twisted.gif
    unless u like to share it....lolz



    we know there be a bunch of poop-playing monkeys in them poo-litical threadz icon_cool.gif



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    May 28, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    I'm not voting Democratic until it's a firm done deal. Which isn't until after the elections.
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    May 28, 2010 2:45 AM GMT
    Caslon14000 saidI'm not voting Democratic until it's a firm done deal. Which isn't until after the elections.



    The whole reason that this is being pushed through now, before the review is completed, is because of the fear that there will be more Republicans in Congress after the election and passing the repeal will then be impossible.

    You staying home in Nov. will just help elect more Republicans - who we can see now will fight tooth and nail to stop the end of DADT.
    That obviously won't help anyone but the anti-gay Republicans.
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    May 28, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
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    May 28, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    joshnyz saidword.....i aint neva cared much for them pooh-litishuns and them ppl who eat their shit.

    poo-litishuns always be throwing shit....why stick around to smell it ....icon_twisted.gif
    unless u like to share it....lolz



    we know there be a bunch of poop-playing monkeys in them poo-litical threadz icon_cool.gif





    LOL!
    You posted in this thread, so you''re obviously "one of them poop-playing monkeys" and your shit stinks real bad.
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    May 28, 2010 2:50 AM GMT
    word....sometimes it's fun to rile up them monkeys......to see how far they can throw them poo-balls......i see u been done trainin for them olympics....lolzicon_twisted.gif
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    May 28, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    "The House of Representatives voted tonight to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", the 17-year-old policy that permits gays and lesbians to serve in the military only if their sexual orientation remains secret.

    The 234-194 vote will attach Rep. Patrick Murphy's (D-PA) amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act now moving through Congress. Earlier tonight, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted 16-12 to approve a similar measure.

    Five Republicans supported the repeal: Judy Biggert (Illinois), Joseph Cao (Louisiana), Charles Djou (Hawaii) , Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Florida) and Ron Paul (Texas). Twenty-six Democrats voted against the amendment."

    Copied from Rod 2.0

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/05/house-passes-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-amendment-234194.html

    Yeah, I guess we see what party is truly for us. Both parties have shitty assholes, so it is unnecessary to make a blanket statement like all Republicans are against. Five stood by us just like there were 26 Democrats that were against us.
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    May 28, 2010 3:39 AM GMT
    ok so these guys are solders the bravest men and women in the world ect...

    i don't get it though your brave enough to doge bullets but a simple rule scares you? has everyone gone nuts? at the end of the day the army is an EMPLOYER, so what do you do when an employer is being unfair? its as simple as striking... icon_smile.gif there problem solved
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    May 28, 2010 4:39 AM GMT
    Balljunkie said"The House of Representatives voted tonight to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", the 17-year-old policy that permits gays and lesbians to serve in the military only if their sexual orientation remains secret.

    The 234-194 vote will attach Rep. Patrick Murphy's (D-PA) amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act now moving through Congress. Earlier tonight, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted 16-12 to approve a similar measure.

    Five Republicans supported the repeal: Judy Biggert (Illinois), Joseph Cao (Louisiana), Charles Djou (Hawaii) , Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Florida) and Ron Paul (Texas). Twenty-six Democrats voted against the amendment."

    Copied from Rod 2.0

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/05/house-passes-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-amendment-234194.html

    Yeah, I guess we see what party is truly for us. Both parties have shitty assholes, so it is unnecessary to make a blanket statement like all Republicans are against. Five stood by us just like there were 26 Democrats that were against us.



    100% TOTAL BS

    229 Democrats voted for gay rights.
    5 Republicans voted for gay rights.

    168 Republicans voted against gay rights.
    26 Democrats voted against gay rights.

    There are obviously A WHOLE LOT MORE "shitty assholes" in the Republican party than in the Democratic party.
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    May 28, 2010 4:42 AM GMT
    joshnyz saidword....sometimes it's fun to rile up them monkeys......to see how far they can throw them poo-balls......i see u been done trainin for them olympics....lolzicon_twisted.gif



    Personal attacks are the worst kind of "poo" that gets thrown on here.
    Uh-oh - that would be your style.

    And your lameness doesn't rile me up.
    It just makes me LMFAO
  • Mepark

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    May 28, 2010 4:45 AM GMT
    so to you, all democrats have to agree unanimously on everything? Why don't you suggest changing the name of the party and call it a day!
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    May 28, 2010 4:52 AM GMT
    Mepark saidso to you, all democrats have to agree unanimously on everything? Why don't you suggest changing the name of the party and call it a day!


    No, I never said all Democrats have to agree on everything.
    Don't speak for me.
    But, on an important vote like this - we need to know who is on our side - in BOTH parties - and who is against us.
    Because - make no mistake - there are large numbers of anti-gay religious right Republicans who spend an enormous amount of time money and energy trying to block "the gay agenda" and keep us from having equal rights.
    That's just reality, and we need to fight back.
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    May 28, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
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    Mepark saidso to you, all democrats have to agree unanimously on everything? Why don't you suggest changing the name of the party and call it a day!


    No, I never said all Democrats have to agree on everything.
    Don't speak for me.
    But, on an important vote like this - we need to know who is on our side - in BOTH parties - and who is against us.
    Because - make no mistake - there are large numbers of anti-gay religious right Republicans who spend an enormous amount of time money and energy trying to block "the gay agenda" and keep us from having equal rights.
    That's just reality, and we need to fight back.


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    May 28, 2010 5:33 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    Balljunkie said"The House of Representatives voted tonight to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", the 17-year-old policy that permits gays and lesbians to serve in the military only if their sexual orientation remains secret.

    The 234-194 vote will attach Rep. Patrick Murphy's (D-PA) amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act now moving through Congress. Earlier tonight, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted 16-12 to approve a similar measure.

    Five Republicans supported the repeal: Judy Biggert (Illinois), Joseph Cao (Louisiana), Charles Djou (Hawaii) , Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Florida) and Ron Paul (Texas). Twenty-six Democrats voted against the amendment."

    Copied from Rod 2.0

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/05/house-passes-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-amendment-234194.html

    Yeah, I guess we see what party is truly for us. Both parties have shitty assholes, so it is unnecessary to make a blanket statement like all Republicans are against. Five stood by us just like there were 26 Democrats that were against us.



    100% TOTAL BS

    229 Democrats voted for gay rights.
    5 Republicans voted for gay rights.

    168 Republicans voted against gay rights.
    26 Democrats voted against gay rights.

    There are obviously A WHOLE LOT MORE "shitty assholes" in the Republican party than in the Democratic party.


    So how is that total BS? You cannot make a blanket statement. There are some Republicans that sided with us, and there are some democrats that sided against us.
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    May 28, 2010 6:00 AM GMT
    Balljunkie said
    rickrick91 said
    Balljunkie said"The House of Representatives voted tonight to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", the 17-year-old policy that permits gays and lesbians to serve in the military only if their sexual orientation remains secret.

    The 234-194 vote will attach Rep. Patrick Murphy's (D-PA) amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act now moving through Congress. Earlier tonight, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted 16-12 to approve a similar measure.

    Five Republicans supported the repeal: Judy Biggert (Illinois), Joseph Cao (Louisiana), Charles Djou (Hawaii) , Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Florida) and Ron Paul (Texas). Twenty-six Democrats voted against the amendment."

    Copied from Rod 2.0

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/05/house-passes-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-amendment-234194.html

    Yeah, I guess we see what party is truly for us. Both parties have shitty assholes, so it is unnecessary to make a blanket statement like all Republicans are against. Five stood by us just like there were 26 Democrats that were against us.



    100% TOTAL BS

    229 Democrats voted for gay rights.
    5 Republicans voted for gay rights.

    168 Republicans voted against gay rights.
    26 Democrats voted against gay rights.

    There are obviously A WHOLE LOT MORE "shitty assholes" in the Republican party than in the Democratic party.


    So how is that total BS? You cannot make a blanket statement. There are some Republicans that sided with us, and there are some democrats that sided against us.

    I'm not jumping onto the Republican hating bandwagon, but lets be honest... 5 Republicans out of 173 votes? Come on. Lets not delude ourselves... They don't give a shit for us. 5 Republican votes... thats it. Say what you will about blanket statements, but this is about as close as you can get to a unanimous vote for their side.