Studies Find Lube Can Increase Likelihood of STI, HIV Infections, Kill Mucous Membrane Tissue, & Kill Good Bacteria

  • metta

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    May 28, 2010 7:08 AM GMT
    Studies Find Lube Can Increase Likelihood of STI, HIV Infections

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/studies_find_lube_can_increase_likelihood_of_sti_hiv_infections
  • HOTWEILLER

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    May 28, 2010 7:12 AM GMT
    so spit on.
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    May 28, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    whaaaa....dis is fuked up


    oh wait....mettareporterdude forgot the most important part
    "the studies looked only at anal sex without condoms"

    duh!
  • metta

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    May 28, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    It is still important to understand what the chemicals do to the cells.

    I would like to see a study done on the natural lubes to see if those are safer.
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    May 28, 2010 4:51 PM GMT
    misleading reporting is like a noncircular argument. message worthy of distribution... delivery jammed and interrupted by mailman chasing dog....lolz

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    May 28, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    ..so use a condom! Makes sense, doesn't it? icon_idea.gificon_question.gif
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    May 29, 2010 2:56 AM GMT
    I'm sorry but im not barebacking without lube thank you

    Oh that's right I'm not barebacking

    But I'll be sure to keep it in mind if i ever do!
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    May 29, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
    lilTanker saidI'm sorry but im not barebacking without lube thank you

    Oh that's right I'm not barebacking

    But I'll be sure to keep it in mind if i ever do!


    The study focuses on 'bottoms,' so regardless of whether you use a condom or not the results should be the same. (With regards to the 'rectal-damage' and not the stds. ) icon_wink.gif
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    May 30, 2010 2:04 AM GMT
    I always knew lube could increase the likelyhood of STD's, because it makes sex more fun so you do it more often with more people.
    If it weren't for lube, sex would suck.
  • cowboyathlete

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    May 30, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI always knew lube could increase the likelyhood of STD's, because it makes sex more fun so you do it more often with more people.
    If it weren't for lube, sex would suck.
    LOL!
  • metta

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    May 30, 2010 4:32 AM GMT
    From the article in the first link in the first post:

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    Six products were studied. Five (Astroglide, Elbow Grease, ID Glide, KY Jelly and Wet Platinum) were selected because they had been identified as those most commonly used by the more than 6,300 respondents to an IRMA survey. The sixth product (PRÉ) was selected to serve as a control because it is isomolar. Osmolarity refers to the concentration of dissolved particles (salts and sugars) found inside a cell relative to the outside. A product that is isomolar has the same concentration of particles as inside the cell, whereas a product that is hyperosmolar has a higher concentration of salts and sugars relative to the cell. To correct this imbalance, a cell forces water out but then it becomes withered and dies. Most of the lubricants studied were water-based, except for Wet Platinum, which is a condom-compatible silicone-based product. The researchers characterized each product according to its osmolarity, pH and viscosity -- or slipperiness. Studies then were conducted to determine the effect of each lubricant on different cell types, rectal and cervical tissue and on bacteria (microorganisms that are important to the health of the rectum). Based on the tests performed, PRÉ and Wet Platinum were shown to be safest, while Astroglide was the most toxic to cells and tissues, and KY Jelly had the worst effect on the good bacteria, essentially wiping out an entire colony. PRÉ was the only water-based lubricant that was not hyperosmolar and did not disrupt the epithelium. None of the lubricants had measurable anti-HIV activity. In future studies, the researchers hope to determine the effect that different lubricants have on susceptibility to HIV infection in tissues.
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    PRÉ
    http://www.preseed.com
    http://www.preseed.com/blog/?p=354


    Has anyone here tried PRÉ? I'm wondering how well it works for a lube.
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    May 30, 2010 4:44 AM GMT
    metta8 saidFrom the article in the first link in the first post:

    [QUOTE]Based on the tests performed, PRÉ and Wet Platinum were shown to be safest, while Astroglide was the most toxic to cells and tissues, and KY Jelly had the worst effect on the good bacteria, essentially wiping out an entire colony. LOLz

    PRÉ was the only water-based lubricant that was not hyperosmolar and did not disrupt the epithelium.
    None of the lubricants had measurable anti-HIV activity. In future studies, the researchers hope to determine the effect that different lubricants have on susceptibility to HIV infection in tissues. by any chance do yo happen to know who funded diz research?




    hmm....well the pre thing sounded kewl....but when u jump to the site u learn it's designed to prevent harm to yo swimmers.....

    "Pre~Seed® is the only intimate moisturizer formulated by an Andrologist, based on the physiologic requirements of sperm, so as to provide an environment that will not harm them"

    target audience here is not so much fags but rather women.....as if PRE wuz somethang designed for women who want a dick to put a bun in the oven without breakin the rack or burning the oven mitts....lolz



  • BlackBeltGuy

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    May 30, 2010 5:00 AM GMT
    silicone lubrication tends to be bacteriostatic. meaning the hiv virus doesnt survive on it and silicone doesn't get absorbed by the body., the new studies show water based lubes are for masturbation and not intercourse.


    so if you go anal, go condom and go silicone. when you use a fleshlight or jerk off solo use a water base.

  • metta

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    May 30, 2010 8:03 AM GMT
    joshnyz said
    metta8 saidFrom the article in the first link in the first post:

    [QUOTE]by any chance do yo happen to know who funded diz research?





    http://microbicides2010.org/files/LubesDezzuttiAbstract.pdf

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    University of Pittsburgh and
    Magee-Womens Research Institute, who led the study for the Microbicide Trials Network. The study, which was
    conducted in collaboration with International Rectal Microbicides Advocates (IRMA),

    [/quote]



    Here is the manufactures information on Wet Platinum:
    http://www.stayswetlonger.com/wetproducts/wet_platinum.shtml


    Even using a condom, it is not necessarily a good idea to use something on your cells that is toxic to it.
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    May 30, 2010 8:08 AM GMT
    KARATE1974 saidsilicone lubrication tends to be bacteriostatic. meaning the hiv virus doesnt survive on it and silicone doesn't get absorbed by the body., the new studies show water based lubes are for masturbation and not intercourse.


    so if you go anal, go condom and go silicone. when you use a fleshlight or jerk off solo use a water base.




    oh, fuck it all! this is far too confusing... i'm going to become a catholic priest, and not worry about any of this anymore... wait...
  • metta

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    May 30, 2010 8:11 AM GMT
    I'm hoping that MSUBioNerd or someone deeply involved in cellular level research might have an opinion on this.
  • Greygull

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    May 30, 2010 8:23 AM GMT
    BF and i always use Wet Platinum or Gun oil anyway, water based suck, they dry me out and they get sticky... no bueno
  • metta

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    Jun 14, 2010 5:47 PM GMT
    I hope that people stop using Astroglide and KY for anal. It is important to protect the anal membrane from damage.


    At least we know that it is ok to use Web Platinum. That is a high quality lube that a lot of people seem to like

    http://www.cheaplubes.com/wetplatinumsiliconelubricant_1.aspx

    PRÉ may also be good but a lot of gay men may feel intimidated because it protects the sperm from damage and is often used by straight couples who want children.

    PRÉ
    http://www.preseed.com
  • rnch

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    Jun 14, 2010 6:29 PM GMT
    "you can use statistics to prove anything."---Homer J. Simpson icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 14, 2010 6:33 PM GMT
    hmmm, interesting , but if it is so toxic (water based) it wouldn't be used on patients for all kinds of exams.
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    Jun 14, 2010 6:34 PM GMT
    dancerjack said
    KARATE1974 saidsilicone lubrication tends to be bacteriostatic. meaning the hiv virus doesnt survive on it and silicone doesn't get absorbed by the body., the new studies show water based lubes are for masturbation and not intercourse.


    so if you go anal, go condom and go silicone. when you use a fleshlight or jerk off solo use a water base.




    oh, fuck it all! this is far too confusing... i'm going to become a catholic priest, and not worry about any of this anymore... wait...

    /beats you with a stick.

    They use no lube at all! lmao!


    This is... scary to a point.
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    Jun 14, 2010 8:15 PM GMT
    I'd suggest reading this report instead.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100525094900.html

    ...I have a have difficulty believing that dry humping is going to cause less STIs than with lube, considering the micro-tears etc that doing it dry are going to cause in the rectum.

    -Doug
  • metta

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    Jun 14, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
    meninlove said hmmm, interesting , but if it is so toxic (water based) it wouldn't be used on patients for all kinds of exams.


    It is a new study. I don't think that most doctors are aware of this yet. I'm sure if they knew, they would not be using it.
  • metta

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    Jun 14, 2010 9:02 PM GMT
    meninlove said I'd suggest reading this report instead.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100525094900.html

    ...I have a have difficulty believing that dry humping is going to cause less STIs than with lube, considering the micro-tears etc that doing it dry are going to cause in the rectum.

    -Doug


    do you have another link. that one does not work for me.
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    Jun 15, 2010 12:25 AM GMT
    Eek, sorry Metta8 icon_redface.gif I was away from the PC - we went shopping for soil and bedding plants.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100525094900.htm