Oral Sex and Aids!! Help!!

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    Jun 02, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    I'm always concerned about the transmission of AIDS. I know unprotected oral sex sometimes transmit aids. But what can we do about it? I mean I can't be like "hey wait dude I need to put a condom on ya before blowing u." Any advice? Do u guys practice oral sex with a condom? If not what do u guys do to protect urself? Thank u guys.

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    Jun 03, 2010 5:27 PM GMT
    MrJingles said
    A research study found about 8 of 122 cases of people who contracted HIV/AIDS may have been attributed to oral sex.


    I find that hard to believe:

    In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission.


    and

    The risk of a gay man acquiring HIV from oral sex is extremely low according to a US study published in the November 2002 edition of the journal AIDS.

    Investigators recruited 239 gay men seeking anonymous HIV testing in San Francisco between December 1999 and 2001. The men were asked to complete a questionnaire about the type of sex they had had in the previous six months prior to having an HIV test. Although over 10,000 men attended for testing and completed the survey, only 239 reported having oral sex exclusively and were eligible for the study.

    The San Francisco researchers were also keen to identify the population-attributable risk percentage of oral sex, as even a very small individual risk of HIV transmission from oral sex for an individual could result in a substantial number of infections in the population as a whole.

    On average, the men in the study had had receptive oral sex with three different men in the past six months (range 0 – 400). The overwhelming majority, 98%, of oral sex was without a condom and 35% of men reported getting semen in their mouths, 70% of whom swallowed.

    None of the men in the study tested HIV-positive,
    meaning that the individual risk of being infected with HIV by oral sex was zero.
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    Jun 03, 2010 5:27 PM GMT
    When I was in my early twenties, I used to freak out about this all the time. So I finally called the CDC and told the woman on the line that I was sucking a lot of dick. The woman on the line asked, "Are you having unprotected anal sex?" I said no. She laughed and said, "Honey, you don't need to be scared. Stop wasting your time worrying."

    That was a little under ten years ago, and I've received a similar answer from almost every health official I've ever asked.

    It's pretty simple: possible does not equal probable. If you're going to worry about it, then you might as well worrying about getting into a car everyday - which is much more dangerous than oral sex without a condom.

    All that said, there's no such thing as living a risk-free life.

    Don't live to live forever, because it's not happening.

    Instead, you need to do what makes you feel healthy and happy and doesn't hurt others.

    Health isn't just your body - it's your mind and spirit too. If using a condom during oral sex makes you feel anxiety-free and helps you relax, then go for it. If, on the other hand, it messes with your confidence and sex life and that affects your well-being, then fuck it. Take care of yourself on all fronts.

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    Jun 04, 2010 1:18 AM GMT
    It wasn't only the CDC employee I asked. It was every doctor I've ever asked in every state I've lived in (some quite conservative), as well as part of the official line of sexual health clinics in California.

    To cover themselves, some public health organizations state that HIV transmission through oral sex is possible. Even with those in mind (as with the CDC worker I spoke with), the one-on-one discussion about it is often different.

    Furthermore, I made the analogy to examine fear and risk, not necessity. And if it were about necessity; no we don't need to get in cars. We can use public transportation, ride our bikes, or *gasp* walk. You've confused car use as absolutely unavoidable - which is what some people confuse oral sex for as well. So the analogy stands up in both cases - risk or necessity - and is a good one.

    Suggesting that condom-use is mandatory in oral sex is at best irresponsible, confused, and at worst spreads its implicit message of disinformation.

    The choice, as all sexual choices that involve consent and two knowledgeable adults, is not a moral one but an individual one based on comfort and facts. HIV is unlikely to be transmitted through oral sex. Suggesting otherwise is fear-mongering.
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    Jun 04, 2010 1:41 AM GMT
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    Jun 04, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    sfinboston saidyou more likely to be struck by lighting or win the lottery...icon_neutral.gif


    {Meteorologist = "On"}

    Actually the numbers for people that get struck by lightening are rather high, given the frequency at which people say that expression. You are more likely to be attacked by a shark, wrestle with a bear, or yes, win the lottery.

    {Meteorologist = "Off"}
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    Jun 04, 2010 2:00 AM GMT
    AKorCH saidWhen I was in my early twenties, I used to freak out about this all the time. So I finally called the CDC and told the woman on the line that I was sucking a lot of dick. The woman on the line asked, "Are you having unprotected anal sex?" I said no. She laughed and said, "Honey, you don't need to be scared. Stop wasting your time worrying."

    That was a little under ten years ago, and I've received a similar answer from almost every health official I've ever asked.

    It's pretty simple: possible does not equal probable. If you're going to worry about it, then you might as well worrying about getting into a car everyday - which is much more dangerous than oral sex without a condom.

    All that said, there's no such thing as living a risk-free life.

    Don't live to live forever, because it's not happening.

    Instead, you need to do what makes you feel healthy and happy and doesn't hurt others.

    Health isn't just your body - it's your mind and spirit too. If using a condom during oral sex makes you feel anxiety-free and helps you relax, then go for it. If, on the other hand, it messes with your confidence and sex life and that affects your well-being, then fuck it. Take care of yourself on all fronts.



    Thank you! With all the cock several million gay men have sucked...and no real numbers or stats to show transmission. BTW those who said they only sucked cock when they tested poz later said they had had unprotected anal sex several times.
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    Jun 04, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
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    MrJingles said
    A research study found about 8 of 122 cases of people who contracted HIV/AIDS may have been attributed to oral sex.


    I find that hard to believe:

    In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission.


    and

    The risk of a gay man acquiring HIV from oral sex is extremely low according to a US study published in the November 2002 edition of the journal AIDS.

    Investigators recruited 239 gay men seeking anonymous HIV testing in San Francisco between December 1999 and 2001. The men were asked to complete a questionnaire about the type of sex they had had in the previous six months prior to having an HIV test. Although over 10,000 men attended for testing and completed the survey, only 239 reported having oral sex exclusively and were eligible for the study.

    The San Francisco researchers were also keen to identify the population-attributable risk percentage of oral sex, as even a very small individual risk of HIV transmission from oral sex for an individual could result in a substantial number of infections in the population as a whole.

    On average, the men in the study had had receptive oral sex with three different men in the past six months (range 0 – 400). The overwhelming majority, 98%, of oral sex was without a condom and 35% of men reported getting semen in their mouths, 70% of whom swallowed.

    None of the men in the study tested HIV-positive,
    meaning that the individual risk of being infected with HIV by oral sex was zero.


    If you do the math, 98% of 35% of 239 = 82
    It the chance was 1%, not finding a positive in a pool of 82 people practicing unprotected oral sex would be easy.

    I don't know the real percentage, but it is etablished (to my knowledge), that HIV transmission by oral sex is possible, so you 0% is misleading, as a study on such a short number of people is completly unable to give an answer.

    It make sens to compare the risk of unprotected oral sex with the risk of broken condom, or the risk to get a car accident. So that each one can decide the level of safety he wants to live with, as nothing is 100% safe.

    I don't think it's right to say oral sex is safe just because some think the risk is too small to worry about it. A small risk is not the same as a safe practice.

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    Jun 04, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    During one of my many HIV Tests, I was educated that it is MUCH safer to perform oral w/o a condom. As well as swallowing is MUCH safer than holding the cum in your mouth waiting for him to finish just to spit it out; you run a higher risk of having any infection seep in to your system through a wound in your mouth that you may not be aware of over swallowing it all.

    GO ahead, be a cum swallowing Homo!
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    Jun 04, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    AKorCH saidIt wasn't only the CDC employee I asked. It was every doctor I've ever asked in every state I've lived in (some quite conservative), as well as part of the official line of sexual health clinics in California.

    To cover themselves, some public health organizations state that HIV transmission through oral sex is possible. Even with those in mind (as with the CDC worker I spoke with), the one-on-one discussion about it is often different.

    Furthermore, I made the analogy to examine fear and risk, not necessity. And if it were about necessity; no we don't need to get in cars. We can use public transportation, ride our bikes, or *gasp* walk. You've confused car use as absolutely unavoidable - which is what some people confuse oral sex for as well. So the analogy stands up in both cases - risk or necessity - and is a good one.

    Suggesting that condom-use is mandatory in oral sex is at best irresponsible, confused, and at worst spreads its implicit message of disinformation.

    The choice, as all sexual choices that involve consent and two knowledgeable adults, is not a moral one but an individual one based on comfort and facts. HIV is unlikely to be transmitted through oral sex. Suggesting otherwise is fear-mongering.


    Again, I beg to differ.

    I don't see how it can be 'irresponsible' to recommand 'safer sex'. It might be exageratly cotious, but there is nothing 'irresponsible' in promoting something that will hurt nobody, just spoil a bit of the pleasure in having sex.

    Are you telling me you will take the responsibility to sware to someone there is no risk in sucking a dick without condom, then see the guy you adviced getting HIV positive while he only practice oral sex ? I won't.

    The hard facts are that HIV should be easility transmited by oral (in theory) but that's it's very rare in practice, for unclear reasons.

    You should do oral without condom if you know there is a risk, but that the risk is so small you can manage the situation without more stress than when you drive your car knowing you can get killed around the corner.

    But those very affraid of getting sick should use a condom for oral, and like condom for anal, it can still be fun.

    I completly agree with you sex should be fun and enjoyable.
    But safe sex is not just an individual decision, you have a moral component, as your level of safe sex can impact the health of the guy you have sex with.

    It is irresponsible to try to convince someone that no codom oral is without risk. It's responsible to explain (as you did) that the risk is so small it should not be a source of stress. But it's for each of us to take the decision, regarding how 'protected' we need to feel to enjoy sex. Knowing the facts.

    20 years ago, I remember very well guys explaining me there was no risk in anal sex without condom unless you had alreay micro bleeding in rectum.
    I'm 48, from the generation which was already sexually active when the HIV appeared. I'm still negative, but I see it as a mix of being cautious and lucky.

    And I did suck only with condom for a very long time, until the modality of transmission where well established, and yet I would still use a condom if not sure my partner is HIV negative partner. But trust me, he would still enjoy it ;-)




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    Jun 04, 2010 7:55 AM GMT
    Uh. I don't even think you read my post.
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    Jun 04, 2010 8:39 AM GMT
    When it comes to guys who are HIV+ you have to factor in when the guy got infected and whether he is on meds etc.

    Unless you know these things you want to take the risk? Plus there is a chance they don't even know they are infected and the virus is getting stronger.

    Other option is to blow the guy and have him pull out before he cums, there is still the risk of infection from precum but not getting a gob full of cum might be a better option for you.

    Also don't brush your teeth for a few hours before blowing him.
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    Jun 04, 2010 9:24 AM GMT
    Why not become a priest? After all, that is the only way ... nevermind.
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    Jun 04, 2010 11:15 AM GMT
    Check the CDC website. This is a reliable source!

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

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    Jun 04, 2010 12:17 PM GMT
    Speaking of orally-transmitted STDs...

    GET VACCINATED for Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B, now.

    My younger brother died with AIDS and also many of my close friends, and as a result I've never done anal, nor oral either for several years. (Trust me, I make up for it in other ways.)

    One night in the throes of passion I went down on a guy I thought I knew. (Ha!) It was maybe three or four in-and-out and we went to something else.

    Six to eight weeks later ON THE DOT I came down with orange/brown urine, yellow eyes, and intense joint pain. I went to a walk-in clinic and the doctor diagnosed me with two questions. Heavens, I couldn't even spell Hepatitis.

    Fortunately it is "only" B.

    A is benign and comes and goes, and you are done.
    B stays with you and is not harmful unless aggravated.
    C is what kills you, through the liver.

    YOU CAN PROTECT YOURSELF, and your partners.

    GET VACCINATED for Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B, now.
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    Jun 04, 2010 12:35 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]NakedBudd said[/cite]Speaking of orally-transmitted STDs...


    My younger brother died with AIDS and also many of my close friends, and as a result I've never done anal, nor oral either for several years. (Trust me, I make up for it in other ways.)


    Cool, me too; I don't do anal. I'm curious; how do you make up in other ways? Please share! This is interesting and important!
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    Jun 04, 2010 12:57 PM GMT
    NakedBudd saidSpeaking of orally-transmitted STDs...


    Fortunately it is "only" B.

    A is benign and comes and goes, and you are done.
    B stays with you and is not harmful unless aggravated.
    C is what kills you, through the liver.



    Hepatits A and B are readily spread by sexual contact. Hepatits C is not as likely to be spread by sexual contact. Hepatitis C is usually spread by blood contact (sharing needles or blood transfusions). Hep B is also spread by blood contact.

    Hepatitis B vaccine is now routinely given to children, so like polio, the disease prevalence will decline with time. All high risk adults such as health care workers and men who have sex with men need immunized with Hep B. Unfortunately there is no vaccine for hepatitis C.

    Hep B is not benign. 90% of infected individuals clear the virus with time. They will not be contagious or suffer any long term health problems. The other 10% will be a carriers and remain contagious. Chronic carriers are at increased risk for liver cirrhosis (like hep C carriers) and hepatoma which is a type of liver cancer.
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    Jun 04, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
    Since others are bringing up infections which are more likely from oral sex, i will add to the discussion. It is much more likely that a person might get one or a couple of the following from receiving oral sex; herpes, warts (HPV), syphillis, gonorrhea, chlaymdia, and other bacteria or viral infections that cause urethritis in men.
    Remember, the mouth is normally contaminated with many different types/strains of bacteria and viruses - heck even E.coli can be cultured in some people when engage in - you know what. And not everyone who's mouth is infected with one of these (chlamydia) will have much symptoms - hence they can transmit the infection and not be aware they have the infection in their mouth.
    Whats the big deal if you develop urethritis (penile discharge or tindling/burning) when urinating? While most cases are easily treatable, you can develop complications such as prostatitis or epididymitis or urethral syndrome, all which can take weeks to resolve and lead to other problems.
    Receiving a BJ also comes with risk.
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    Jun 04, 2010 2:30 PM GMT
    NakedBudd said
    Fortunately it is "only" B.

    A is benign and comes and goes, and you are done.
    B stays with you and is not harmful unless aggravated.
    C is what kills you, through the liver.


    No, this is not accurate. Chronic hepatitis B is very harmful. Most people get over hepatitis B relatively quickly. They eliminate the virus and are cured. But a percentage of sufferers never eliminate the virus and become chronic, and have to take meds long-term to manage the disease.
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    Jun 04, 2010 2:38 PM GMT
    minox said
    It the chance was 1%, not finding a positive in a pool of 82 people practicing unprotected oral sex would be easy.


    Yes, that study was too small to draw definite conclusions about risk. Here bis more information on the large Spanish study.

    In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not led to any cases of HIV transmission. The study also looked at contributing factors that could affect the potential transmission of HIV through oral sex. They monitored viral load and asked questions such as whether ejaculation in the mouth occurred and how good oral health was. Amongst HIV positive men, 34 per cent had ejaculated into the mouths of their partners. Viral load levels were available for 60 people in the study, 10 per cent of whom had levels over 10,000 copies. Nearly 16 per cent of the HIV positive people had CD4 counts below 200. The study, conducted over a ten year period between 1990 and 2000, adds to the growing number of studies which suggest varying levels of risk of HIV transmission from oral sex when compared to anal or vaginal intercourse.

    At the 4th International Oral AIDS Conference held in South Africa, the risk of transmission through oral sex was estimated to be approximately 0.04 per cent per contact. This percentage figure is a lot lower than the two American figures, because this figure is a risk per contact percentage, whereas the other figures are percentage risks over much longer time periods. Oral sex is still regarded as a low-risk sexual activity in terms of HIV transmission, but only when more work is done will we be clearer as to the risks of oral sex.
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    Jun 04, 2010 6:50 PM GMT
    Thank you viveutvivas, I think it's exactly the type of information the OP need to make his personal decison.

    If you give 40000 blowjobs to HIV positive guys, you have one chance to get infected.

    Just remeber that mouth bad health (gum bleeding etc..) can increase the risk.
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    Jun 04, 2010 7:44 PM GMT
    minox said ...If you give 40000 blowjobs to HIV positive guys, you have one chance to get infected...


    I disagree. If you give 40,000 blowjobs to HIV positive guys you have 40,000 chances of becoming infected at least once.

    I think a more correct statement would be that the most probable number of blow jobs that you have to give to be infected at least once is 40,000.
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    Jun 04, 2010 9:54 PM GMT
    minox said
    If you give 40000 blowjobs to HIV positive guys, you have one chance to get infected..


    Not quite. More accurately, if we assume the estimate is correct, the chance of getting infected with every contact with an HIV+ person, is 1 in 100/0.04, in other words, 1 in 2,500.

    In other words, for every 2,500 guys sucking an HIV+ dick once, one will get infected.

    However, the Spanish study seems to suggest that it is less than that.

    If you don't know their status, it is less. For argument's sake, say 10% of the population is infected. Then the chance of getting infected with one contact is 1 in 25,000.

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    Jun 05, 2010 6:13 AM GMT
    If you don't know their status, it is less. For argument's sake, say 10% of the population is infected. Then the chance of getting infected with one contact is 1 in 25,000.

    Even I haven't sucked 25,000 dicks yet. I'm trying though. At 25,000 I'll be sure to run out and get tested if it satisfies all the freaked-out guys in this thread.

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    Jun 05, 2010 6:14 AM GMT
    The chances of contracting HIV via sucking cock is so slim that the changes of your teeth ripping the condom by accident are higher.