Truth-based belief systems

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    Jun 02, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    Here's a great read if you're leaning away from myth, legend, cults, etc, and leaning towards truth-based belief systems, and thinking about stuff in a more rational way.

    http://godisimaginary.com/
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:06 AM GMT
    Good stuff
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:14 AM GMT
    Positivism as a view of the world has its share of orthodoxies, as well.
    A good couple of books that offer alternative epistemologies than the fundamentalism (religious and scientific) so common in the theism debates:

    http://www.amazon.com/Reason-Faith-Revolution-Reflections-Lectures/dp/0300151799

    http://www.amazon.com/Reason-God-Belief-Age-Skepticism/dp/0525950494

    The standards for declaring something to be true depend entirely on the rules of the game you establish before you play, and unfortunately, the universe has not come with an instruction manual for that.
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    we are all one thing
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 said


    And this is truly, truly frightening. I sincerely hope this is mere imitation and not the result of deep psychological trauma.
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    i adapt christian beliefs and I'm a practicing Buddhist (fluent Japanese)
    I think Jesus was put on earth to show the design of the use of the 4th chakra (the heart energy) showing love to thyself and neighbor
    and the Buddha was sent to earth to spread the design of the 6th chakra (mental,ego house)

    the teaching are quite parallel yet they share one common thing, energy.

    there's my 5 cents icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 03, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    redheadedryan saidPositivism as a view of the world has its share of orthodoxies, as well.
    A good couple of books that offer alternative epistemologies than the fundamentalism (religious and scientific) so common in the theism debates:

    http://www.amazon.com/Reason-Faith-Revolution-Reflections-Lectures/dp/0300151799

    http://www.amazon.com/Reason-God-Belief-Age-Skepticism/dp/0525950494

    The standards for declaring something to be true depend entirely on the rules of the game you establish before you play, and unfortunately, the universe has not come with an instruction manual for that.


    And btw...the author of the first one is one of the foremost communist theoreticians and literary critics. So don't let anyone tell you communism is inherently incompatible with religious freedom.
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    Jun 03, 2010 2:37 AM GMT
    You talk about a truth based system.... but you offer nothing but supposed 'dis-proofs' of the existence of any deity.... what is your conquest against religion all about? A faith in God actually HELPS a lot of people...

    Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous..... are just two organizations that incorporate a very general faith in a higher power (not any one religion) into their systems. And I think that these organizations are wonderful.
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    Jun 03, 2010 2:46 AM GMT
    redheadedryan said
    conscienti1984 said


    And this is truly, truly frightening. I sincerely hope this is mere imitation and not the result of deep psychological trauma.
    Guilt based conditioning leads to much pain, fear, suffering, and trauma for everyone. It is a horrible thing when adults do that to children.

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    Jun 03, 2010 3:15 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said
    redheadedryan said
    conscienti1984 said


    And this is truly, truly frightening. I sincerely hope this is mere imitation and not the result of deep psychological trauma.
    Guilt based conditioning leads to much pain, fear, suffering, and trauma for everyone. It is a horrible thing when adults do that to children.



    i cannot even watch that. I .can. not.
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    Jun 03, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
    Nate Phelps reveals just how evil "hate the gays" preacher Fred Phelps is



    it show where all that conditioning in hate leads ..

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    Jun 03, 2010 3:46 AM GMT
    Hate comes from sinful people, not from a relationship with God and Christ as one's Savior. The Bible and Christ clearly proclaimed that he died for ALL and he means exactly what he says--ALL. His death and the salvation he earned with his perfect life covers ALL without exception. No one has been excluded from what he did and gave to ALL. This is what the Scriptures and Christ proclaim throughtout the entire Bible.
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    Jun 03, 2010 3:55 AM GMT
    U can mount a plausible argument for any idea...and unless u have had a profound supernatural experience, u will stick with doubt/empty until proven full scenario!!RESIZED TEXT GOES HERECOLORED TEXT GOES HERENo harm, no foul!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 03, 2010 3:56 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said
    redheadedryan said
    conscienti1984 said


    And this is truly, truly frightening. I sincerely hope this is mere imitation and not the result of deep psychological trauma.
    Guilt based conditioning leads to much pain, fear, suffering, and trauma for everyone. It is a horrible thing when adults do that to children.





    I don't even think I can put into words what I need to say at the moment :O How sad I feel so sorry for those kids but I'm fucking pissed at the parents icon_evil.gif
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    Jun 03, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    Oh and good shit Chuck icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 03, 2010 4:06 AM GMT
    barefootdude said...The Bible and Christ clearly proclaimed that he died for ALL and he means exactly what he says--ALL. His death and the salvation he earned with his perfect life covers ALL without exception. No one has been excluded from what he did and gave to ALL. This is what the Scriptures and Christ proclaim throughtout the entire Bible.


    Then, is there a "hell" that is a truth in your belief system?

    If so, is it empty or is it "filling up"?


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    Jun 03, 2010 4:37 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said
    redheadedryan said
    conscienti1984 said


    And this is truly, truly frightening. I sincerely hope this is mere imitation and not the result of deep psychological trauma.
    Guilt based conditioning leads to much pain, fear, suffering, and trauma for everyone. It is a horrible thing when adults do that to children.



    That was so very disturbing.
    I strongly believe that religious education for children should be made illegal. Religion should be for adults because that way we can choose what we want to believe freely without any burden/guilt from the past. Brainwashing a child from such a young age to believe something is cruel because they don't have a choice. It's like teaching a kid to smoke or drink, since they don't even get to choose to make the mistake.
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    Jun 03, 2010 4:58 AM GMT
    http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/


    And after seeing those videos of the kids preaching and what not.


    Those parents need to be shot.
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    Jun 03, 2010 7:12 AM GMT
    they are the worst
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    Jun 03, 2010 10:08 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    barefootdude said...The Bible and Christ clearly proclaimed that he died for ALL and he means exactly what he says--ALL. His death and the salvation he earned with his perfect life covers ALL without exception. No one has been excluded from what he did and gave to ALL. This is what the Scriptures and Christ proclaim throughtout the entire Bible.


    Then, is there a "hell" that is a truth in your belief system?

    If so, is it empty or is it "filling up"?




    He's an ass GAMrican. If christ died for everyone that would include all people of all faiths and all unbelievers as well. That's what ALL means. However, here's what he posted on another topic:

    "The very heart of Christ's teaching and the Christian faith in Scripture is that there is no salvation other than through faith in Christ.

    John 14:6 (New International Version)

    6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. When he says "No one comes to the Father except through me" he means just what he says, "NO ONE."


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    Jun 03, 2010 10:20 AM GMT
    redheadedryan said
    conscienti1984 said


    And this is truly, truly frightening. I sincerely hope this is mere imitation and not the result of deep psychological trauma.


    It's not difficult to figure out.

    For one child, the deep psychological trauma comes from an overbearing and abusive father, while the other merely wants to please an overbearing, weak-minded grandmother.
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    Jun 03, 2010 10:34 AM GMT
    i really don't feel like going on a rant but this phenomenon is a further extension of protestant Christianities unholy alliance with capitalism. I myself am an orthodox christian but seeing all this "fervent Christianity" comes from the states.Not to knock peoples beliefs but you dont see this in Greece, or Russia, or any country were the majority of the people belong to the orthodox church. i dont know what it is but it seems the west takes awesome concepts and whores them out for as much cash as possible. Music movies beliefs are all now sub standard and it seems made for the simple masses...which i think is a tragedy. Don't hate Christ because of some old protestant guy shouting that gays will go to hell hate that guy. If your truly gonna hate Christ hate him for what he was;peaceful, loving, understanding, and merciful...if you can that is but don't forsake a good thing because some Neo Nazi tell you too...icon_cry.gif
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    Jun 03, 2010 11:39 AM GMT
    KARATE1974 said
    ActiveAndFit said
    redheadedryan said
    conscienti1984 said


    And this is truly, truly frightening. I sincerely hope this is mere imitation and not the result of deep psychological trauma.
    Guilt based conditioning leads to much pain, fear, suffering, and trauma for everyone. It is a horrible thing when adults do that to children.



    i cannot even watch that. I .can. not.


    i got as far as the hand washing and the crying bouts..... this is seriously fucked up. i personally know how to hypnotize and do it often with my fraternity pledges, for fun, to put on shows for the actives- there's a lot that goes into it that most don't realize, from cadence to careful choice of words. when she says things like "army of god" she is aiming a particular connotation right into their subconscious. THIS camp, and others just like it, and the parents that take their kids there, and the congregations that tell the parents to take their kids there- are why this country is so fucked up.
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    Jun 04, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 said


    This so much exemplifies the dangers of false belief systems. Pretty scary stuff. Today's minister; tomorrow's terrorist / warmonger.