Internet Trolls... Does everyone deserve to have their voices heard?

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    Jun 04, 2010 8:11 PM GMT
    I've been going to various news websites for awhile now--recently I started looking at the comment sections on various websites (Fox News, MSNBC, Yahoo, etc). I'm shocked at how nasty some of those comment sections are. It's unbelievable what some people write... and I'm not just talking about hateful comments.

    The large majority of the comments on news websites are full of polarizing propaganda, meaningless arguments, logical fallacies, irrational thoughts, and apathetic attacks.

    Everyone seems to think that they know exactly what they are talking about

    Everyone seems to think that their opinion is valid and deserves to be heard... even if their opinions are full of misinformation.

    Many people seem to think they are smarter than they really are. Ideas are not being exchanged... only hatred and distrust for the 'other side.'

    Today I saw some comments from trolls on the Advocate's website--some bible-thumpers have been trolling that site for some time now.
    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/06/02/Fran_Drescher_My_ExHusband_Is_Gay/


    Do you think public comment sections are a good thing for the internet... and for this country as a whole? Or do they polarize us even more while passing along misinformation?(And no, this has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech.')
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    Jun 04, 2010 8:13 PM GMT
    Ahem.
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    Jun 04, 2010 8:35 PM GMT
    Perhaps you would enjoy the comments on FARK.com better?

    Seriously.
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    Jun 04, 2010 8:59 PM GMT
    Shitty comments and other crap posted by internet trolls are entertaining.
    Yeah their voices should be heard. It's how I get my daily dose of laughter.
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    Jun 04, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    conscienti1984 said...

    Do you think public comment sections are a good thing for the internet... and for this country as a whole? Or do they polarize us even more while passing along misinformation?(And no, this has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech.')


    LOL! I almost thought this lunatic thread was for real until this comedian popped the punch line. Hahahahahahahha!


    To the OP, my apologies if this thread was for real.

    In that case, you are an asshat.

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    Jun 04, 2010 10:56 PM GMT
    I have found that if I say something and some-one gets upset over it, instead of them dealing with their own issues and emotions, they find it easier to fob one off as a troll, thus not dealing with the issue at hand, or their own issues.
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    Jun 04, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    I can’t go to sleep at night unless I’ve said “f*cktard” at least 5 times and “seriously” 4 more.
    So let them post; it enforces my superiority complex.
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    Jun 04, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
    Internet trolls deserve my e-foot up their dumb online ass.
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    Jun 04, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    TrollMonger saidAhem.


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    Jun 04, 2010 11:41 PM GMT
    Yes, everyone.
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    Jun 05, 2010 3:30 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said...
    There's that stupid word again: asshat

    Really, can't anyone come up with something original for once instead of the same tired put-down words: asshat, fucktard, etc. ...


    How about replacing "southbeach1500" for "asshat". Oh, but that's not profane. It's just another "stupid" word. Or, is that just another word for "stupid"? icon_lol.gif

    Asshat!
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    Jun 05, 2010 3:34 AM GMT


    Of course everyone should have a voice. Being heard is subject to reason by those who take notice and listen.
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    Jun 05, 2010 3:41 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    southbeach1500 said...
    There's that stupid word again: asshat

    Really, can't anyone come up with something original for once instead of the same tired put-down words: asshat, fucktard, etc. ...


    How about replacing "southbeach1500" for "asshat". Oh, but that's not profane. It's just another "stupid" word. Or, is that just another word for "stupid"? icon_lol.gif

    Asshat!


    hah! guys are such bitches. the internet wouldn't be so hostile if it were run by women.
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    Jun 05, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
    bonerdonor said

    the internet wouldn't be so hostile if it were run by women.


    And the award for blatant sexism gooooess tooo.......icon_exclaim.gif
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    Jun 05, 2010 3:48 AM GMT
    Ciarsolo said
    bonerdonor said

    the internet wouldn't be so hostile if it were run by women.


    And the award for blatant sexism gooooess tooo.......icon_exclaim.gif


    you're right. i made a gross generalization that all women know how to work the internet. maybe men can still run it, and women can just moderate us. icon_idea.gif
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    Jun 05, 2010 4:00 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidI've been going to various news websites for awhile now--recently I started looking at the comment sections on various websites (Fox News, MSNBC, Yahoo, etc). I'm shocked at how nasty some of those comment sections are. It's unbelievable what some people write... and I'm not just talking about hateful comments.




    Today I saw some comments from trolls on the Advocate's website--some bible-thumpers have been trolling that site for some time now.
    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/06/02/Fran_Drescher_My_ExHusband_Is_Gay/


    Do you think public comment sections are a good thing for the internet... and for this country as a whole? Or do they polarize us even more while passing along misinformation?(And no, this has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech.')

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    If this doesn't beat all... if this has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech,
    WTF DOES it have to do with??? I think your post is totally ludicrous and sophomoric!!!
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    Jun 05, 2010 4:07 AM GMT
    Even though there are many posts that just make me angry and others that are just insane, everyone has a right to be heard. I'm sure I would quickly become bored with these threads if I was only reading posts of which I'm in agreement. Funny thing is, one of the people here that makes me the most angry is someone I agree with 95% of the time. I haven't seen him here in quite a long time, but he has absolutely no sense of humor, takes everything too seriously, always seems angry, and only adds something to political threads. He is a liberal like me, but I would still call him an internet troll.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 05, 2010 4:09 AM GMT
    I think the term troll is WAY over-used. Just because someone repeatedly posts opinions that you find annoying or simply don't agree with does not make that person a troll. Everyone is entitled to voice an opinion - period.
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    Jun 05, 2010 4:17 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    conscienti1984 said...

    Do you think public comment sections are a good thing for the internet... and for this country as a whole? Or do they polarize us even more while passing along misinformation?(And no, this has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech.')


    LOL! I almost thought this lunatic thread was for real until this comedian popped the punch line. Hahahahahahahha!


    To the OP, my apologies if this thread was for real.

    In that case, you are an asshat.


    Oh my. It appears that I was looking in the mirror when I remarked "asshat". That's what I get for posting while "Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired", and I was four for four.

    I owe conscienti1984 a real apology because I didn't ponder his questions before posting my snarky reply. I was wrong!

    He asks valid questions.

    Whether or not public comment sections are "good" for the internet or a country is a judgement based upon individual or collective values. Public comment sections are a medium of communication and as such it is a neutral tool. People can choose to polarize discussions no matter what the medium of communication. Any communication medium can pass messages of information or misinformation. The veracity of the message is up to the receiver to determine as compared to a trusted reference.

    Freedom of Speech is not an absolute construct. It is measured against a continuum where on one extreme no speech is allowed, and the other extreme all speech is allowed.

    Public comment sections and the concept of Freedom of Speech are intertwined. A public comment section without the freedom of expression, even if such expression is offensive (like the way I succeeded in offending SB by using the word "asshat";Yes! -fist pump- Score!), is neutered.

    In answer to the forum topic: All deserve to have their voices heard...no matter how wrong, offensive, or asshatish that voice may be (like mine in this post, or Southbeach1500's in most of his).

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    Jun 05, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
    Everyone should have their voices heard, but if they want to be heard and not have everyone hit the 'ignore his posts' key they need to consider HOW they say what they want to say. Even then there are some things said that will invite a hostile response. On another topic someone is quoting scripture to me that my Dad is in hell. Nice, eh?

    -Doug
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    Jun 05, 2010 2:02 PM GMT
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    conscienti1984 saidI've been going to various news websites for awhile now--recently I started looking at the comment sections on various websites (Fox News, MSNBC, Yahoo, etc). I'm shocked at how nasty some of those comment sections are. It's unbelievable what some people write... and I'm not just talking about hateful comments.




    Today I saw some comments from trolls on the Advocate's website--some bible-thumpers have been trolling that site for some time now.
    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/06/02/Fran_Drescher_My_ExHusband_Is_Gay/


    Do you think public comment sections are a good thing for the internet... and for this country as a whole? Or do they polarize us even more while passing along misinformation?(And no, this has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech.')

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    If this doesn't beat all... if this has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech,
    WTF DOES it have to do with??? I think your post is totally ludicrous and sophomoric!!!


    My post has nothing to do with government infringement on free speech—nobody would be prevented from posting their comments in other forums or blogs (like this one).
    If Yahoo takes down their comment section, it would not violate our constitutional right to free speech. Free speech has to do with government censorship... companies can do whatever they want. My post has nothing to do with government censorship. My question is whether or not news corporations should suspend their comment sections.

    I know this isn't a big deal (it's really not), but I'm just in shock at what is written in the majority of those sections--call me naive. :O)
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    Jun 05, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think the term troll is WAY over-used. Just because someone repeatedly posts opinions that you find annoying or simply don't agree with does not make that person a troll. Everyone is entitled to voice an opinion - period.


    Your definition of troll is different from mine. I view a troll as someone who is obviously trying to cause trouble. (And no, southbeach is not a troll.)
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    Jun 05, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
    Hillie said

    Of course everyone should have a voice. Being heard is subject to reason by those who take notice and listen.


    I agree with this statement--in fact, you stated my opinion better than I did.

    I will never write an opinion concerning the current economic climate or the stock market--I know very little about both and those subjects do not interest me very much. It seems though that people are always writing about things they know nothing about... and many try very hard to sound legit.
  • Leawoody

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    Jun 05, 2010 2:23 PM GMT
    Perhaps the real issue the OP should be pointing out is simply the concept of civility.

    Civility is often non-existent on the internet and it is a shame because the lack of civility stifles the exchange of ideas and the rational exchange of ideas is really what freedom of speach is all about.

    Emotional name calling in a blog just makes the writer appear ignorant.
    Playfully flipping each other shit because we're guys and that's what guys do is completely different, however.

  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 05, 2010 2:25 PM GMT
    My opinion on people's opinions, like, such as....what was the question again?