California's possible solution to partisan politics

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    Jun 05, 2010 7:08 PM GMT
    "... Proposition 14 calls for the elimination of the party primaries that now select candidates for the general election. In their place, California would institute a new system that would put all candidates for the state legislature, Congress and statewide office on the same primary ballot open to all voters. The top two finishers, regardless of party, would advance to the November general election. ... "

    Interesting. ...esp when the two final candidates are from the same party. ... icon_confused.gif


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/05/AR2010060502312.html?hpid=topnews


    P.S. author is Dan Balz ... tee hee hee ... he said balz ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 05, 2010 8:42 PM GMT
    if they are going to go that far why not just let people rate their candidate in order of preference

    first choice
    second choice
    third choice
    etc

    and then pick the person with the highest rating or score. That would mean that you could vote for and under dog but not worry about the candidate you like least getting it because you could rate them lower and another person higher.
  • DCEric

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    Jun 05, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
    Louisiana already does this.
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    Jun 05, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    DCEric saidLouisiana already does this.


    ....and how is that going????
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Jun 06, 2010 12:08 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidif they are going to go that far why not just let people rate their candidate in order of preference

    first choice
    second choice
    third choice
    etc

    and then pick the person with the highest rating or score. That would mean that you could vote for and under dog but not worry about the candidate you like least getting it because you could rate them lower and another person higher.

    Yes, instant runoff voting. Hear, here! It would be a step in ending the hegemony of the Democrat and Republican parties (thus is encountering the resistance that it is). I could vote for a Green/Rainbow (i.e., for real change) as my first choice, then if he or she doesn't win, my second choice (undoubtedly a Democrat, for at least some change) would automatically get my vote.
  • metta

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    Jun 06, 2010 12:21 AM GMT
    The smaller parties are against this.

    Vote no on Proposition 14
    http://www.times-standard.com/letters/ci_15226163



    The Prop. 14 bait-and-switch
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-feinstein-20100605-use,0,609494.story


    Many of this years propositions are bait and swich...such as the utility one which happens to be mostly paid for by the largest utility company

    PG& E's Prop 16: http://www.powergrab.info/

    Prop 16 will probably win anyways. The general public does not generally educate themselves enough to make a good decision. They usually like the sound bites. And the other side does not seem to have the funds to fight against it.
  • neosyllogy

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    Jun 06, 2010 1:07 AM GMT
    That... is just ridiculously stupid.
    The two party system is one of the healthiest systems possible. With large numbers or parties or two most popular candidates as the only candidates you can get people that largely agree to split their vote, with the winner not being the most popular.
    This is not a novel concept. It's well studied mathematically. (It was also how Willis won the (nominally female) beauty contest in Different Strokes.)

    The reason all the griping about two-party systems is (largely) BS is because each party has separate primaries. People act like Democratic and Republican candidates just get appointed from on high.
    People vote the fuckers in.
    If you feel like they're just appearing it's your own damn fault for not being more involved in politics!

    Seriously. I'm angry at the level of stupidity and lack of thinking (not the same thing) this bill suggests. (And even more so to hear that Louisiana has already gone this route?)
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Jun 06, 2010 6:30 PM GMT
    May we assume, neosyllogy, that the proposal is not to your liking?
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 06, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
    a1972guy said
    DCEric saidLouisiana already does this.


    ....and how is that going????


    Poorly. icon_sad.gif
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    Jun 06, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
    metta8 saidThe Prop. 14 bait-and-switch
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-feinstein-20100605-use,0,609494.story.

    "Experience with similar top two systems in Louisiana and Washington shows they serve as incumbent protection plans while doing little to shift political discourse.

    Washington had its first top two experience in 2008. Only one of the 140 total lost in the primary. In the general election, fewer seats changed parties (seven) than in 2006 (13), when parties were allowed to conduct their own primaries."
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    Jun 06, 2010 7:22 PM GMT
    neosyllogy saidThe two party system is one of the healthiest systems possible.


    India would like a word with your narrow world view
  • metta

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    Jun 07, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    _chuck_ said
    neosyllogy saidThe two party system is one of the healthiest systems possible.


    India would like a word with your narrow world view


    We would be a stronger country if it was designed to allow for more than 2 main party's in power. But the people in power, the democrats and republicans, will never allow the necessary changes in our system for that to actually occur. Personally, I would love to see even one or two green party members in congress, or even some of the other parties.

    I would also like to see open discussions on a regular basis on important issues between the President and Congress. I don't think that Bush could have gotten away with the things that he did if he had to be more open about the things he did. He probably would not have won a second term either. I see that done in England and I think that it would work well here.

    The government should also require them to be aired during prime time at least once a week, without commercials or any other form of advertising. The voting system only works when you have informed voters. And sound bites really are not a good way to try and become informed.
  • DCEric

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    Jun 07, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    _chuck_ said
    neosyllogy saidThe two party system is one of the healthiest systems possible.


    India would like a word with your narrow world view


    so would most of Europe.

  • Jun 07, 2010 1:05 AM GMT
    This is really stupid because all it will do is guarantee that the people running in the largest primary will get on the ballot.

    It screws over the Republicans which is just great but then you're still stuck with Democrats.
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    Jun 07, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    As someone who has worked in nonpartisan elections, nonpartisan elections are very partisan.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 07, 2010 2:23 AM GMT
    Some educational elections are claimed to be "non partisan" and in the interests of the children. What a bunch of shit. Its always the moderates against the right wingers... probably the same for any office.