How to determine healthy?

  • tbone25

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    Jun 05, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
    I've been working out pretty regularly since October. I lift four days and do cardio every day. I've gone from 219 lbs to 190 and have gained some width in my chest and have lost 4+ inches from my waist.

    What should I use to determine success? What should a goal be?

    I stay motivated by seeing progress. My progress has slowed a bit since the beginning so I'm getting a little bummed, but I know I am making progress nonetheless.

    I get told BMI is not a good measure.
    I've been told to throw out the scale.

    What should I be doing to measure progress?
    What is a reasonable goal? waist size? a certain weight? a certain BMI?

    suggestions please!

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    Jun 06, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    It's easy, how your clothes fit and the mirror.
  • DCEric

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    Jun 06, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    Determine body weight and leaness in the mirror. Do you makes you think you look good.
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    Jun 06, 2010 1:21 AM GMT
    tbone25 saidI've been working out pretty regularly since October. I lift four days and do cardio every day. I've gone from 219 lbs to 190 and have gained some width in my chest and have lost 4+ inches from my waist.

    What should I use to determine success? What should a goal be?

    I stay motivated by seeing progress. My progress has slowed a bit since the beginning so I'm getting a little bummed, but I know I am making progress nonetheless.

    I get told BMI is not a good measure.
    I've been told to throw out the scale.

    What should I be doing to measure progress?
    What is a reasonable goal? waist size? a certain weight? a certain BMI?

    suggestions please!



    I am a little confused as to what you are asking. In the title of the thread you ask about determining health and in the body you mention determining success and progress. Those are three different things. Which are you looking for help on? The two suggestions are good for success and progress but health is a whole different subject.
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    Jun 06, 2010 1:49 AM GMT
    Only you can choose your goals.
    Do you want to look like a dancer, gymnast, runner, bodybuilder, diver, MMA, swimmer, powerlifter ?

    How are you calculating BMI? (underwater, height & weight, caliper - how many positions, electronic scale) ?

    Are you looking at cardio health too such as recovery time, resting heart rate, etc.

    most of all,
    PICS

    post pics and you will be sure to get some responses
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    Jun 06, 2010 8:29 AM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said
    I am a little confused as to what you are asking. In the title of the thread you ask about determining health and in the body you mention determining success and progress. Those are three different things. Which are you looking for help on? The two suggestions are good for success and progress but health is a whole different subject.


    THIS. Clarify for better answers plis.
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    Jun 06, 2010 9:35 AM GMT
    You determine healthy by getting a physical checkup at the doctor.
    You determine goals and success by searching for a hot-n-horny doctor (goal), and getting him in bed (success).
  • tbone25

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    Jun 06, 2010 4:25 PM GMT
    I guess I am not sure what I want either... sorry about that.

    A BMI of 29.9 is considered borderline obese -- whatever one says about BMI, clearly this isn't good.

    I guess my goal is to be healthy. What does that look like? Is it a BMI that is below 25%? Is it a waist size that is less than half your height? should it be about cholesterol? Blood pressure? etc... what should I be using as a measure towards healthy?


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    Jun 06, 2010 4:41 PM GMT
    I asked how you calculated your BMI.

    By the easiest simplest calculations, many award winning competition bodybuilders would be listed as unhealthy, even though they are in much better condition than a tub-o-lard crushing his sofa.

    Yeah, blood pressure is important, and so is resting heart rate.
    How about endurance? Marathoner and IronMan can out-endurance most powerlifters, but the powerlifters can dead lift 5 or 6 marathoners.
    What are YOUR goals?

    I'll say it again :

    PICS
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    Jun 06, 2010 5:26 PM GMT
    BMI takes no account of body composition and is intended for out of shape, saggy people. It is next to useless.
  • neosyllogy

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    Jun 06, 2010 5:30 PM GMT
    How you feel is a pretty good one.
    But, my opinion, one of the best ways is to have an activity.
    It's a lot more fun (IMO) to have function-oriented health goals anyway. Though, obviously, the measure (and optimal health/body) will be specific to the activity.

    If there aren't any sports or the like you're interested in you can just use weights and cardio as your activity. How much are you lifting, how far/fast are you running (or whatever).


    Weight and BMI are both BS though. That's correct. (You can use bf% as a rough indicator... but it's definitely not the same thing as health.)
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    Jun 06, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
    neosyllogy said


    Weight and BMI are both BS though. That's correct. (You can use bf% as a rough indicator... but it's definitely not the same thing as health.)


    Tracking your weight has its uses, specifically in seeing if your diet is on par with your training.
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    Jun 06, 2010 5:55 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidBMI takes no account of body composition and is intended for out of shape, saggy people. It is next to useless.


    which is why I asked for pics

    I have reason to believe that the OP is in the category where BMI can be useful - until he gets out of that category - at which point other indicators will be better.
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    Jun 06, 2010 8:25 PM GMT
    tbone25 saidI guess I am not sure what I want either... sorry about that.

    A BMI of 29.9 is considered borderline obese -- whatever one says about BMI, clearly this isn't good.

    I guess my goal is to be healthy. What does that look like? Is it a BMI that is below 25%? Is it a waist size that is less than half your height? should it be about cholesterol? Blood pressure? etc... what should I be using as a measure towards healthy?




    Healthy would best be done with a physical. I do one yearly. It involves checking cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, a general blood panel workup and urinalysis test. That should give you an idea of how you are doing health wise. I would also suggest body fat measurement at that is more accurate than BMI. Getting it done can be a bit pricy but with calipers or a decent scale you can get a close enough measurement. Even if it is wrong that is fine as you are really just looking for a downward trend rather than the most precise measurement.

    hope that helps.