MSNBC biased journalism

  • gaydocalex

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    Jun 09, 2010 11:17 AM GMT
    I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza".

    See it here

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37581018#37581018

    Although I readily admit that Gaza is a very unfortunate place, the reporting does not match the images we are seeing. The result is a thinly veiled propaganda piece that does not qualify as news reporting. A few examples are in order:

    1. Enormous shipments of goods are shown being shipped from Israel to Gaza even as the reporter complains that the Israeli provisions are inadequate, The reporter used an oft cited, controversial, and vague reference to an substantiated UN statement, as evidence - without opportunity for an Israeli to accurately describe the volume and content of the materiel.which was cleary visible in the video.

    2. The Hospital has at least 5 neonatal incubators and an apparently skilled neonatologist. This is same number of incubators found in many high quality hospitals in the US. But your reporter is more than happy to let a Palestinian doctor claim there are not enough. Of course its always nice to have more, but in any hospital we have to triage the use of limited equipment. Again, no independent evidence that the baby was at any risk was presented except from the "unbiased" Palestinian doctor. I doubt that incubators are being blockaded and even if they were, there seems to be a very high level of care available in this "impoverished" hospital. Care that cannot be given in Gaza is readily available in Israel. See prior Post from Arutz Sheva http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137921

    3. A child is described as developing behavior problems. Firstly, this child appears to be happy and healthy. He is taking music lessons, He is smiling with his mother in a living area that is more comfortable than most NYC apartments. The only evidence that there is a problem is from the reporter who allows a Palestinian (unbiased of course) to go on about how the boy is having bursts of violent behavior. The smiling child is then described as having wide swings of mood in order to cover up the fact that he really looks quite happy. Can behavior be attributed so simply? If it was true, could it be that life in a terrorist haven with constant incitement and dreams of violent martyrdom taught in the Mosques might be responsible as well for violent tendencies like committing Jihad and becoming a Shahid? Why would a reporter fail to mention that?

    3. The streets of Gaza have reasonably dressed, healthy appearing people using cell phones and driving their cars. This does not look like a people suffering under brutal blockade that has been compared to Nazi Germany.

    4. The tunnels are shown and described as transporting food and animals. Are we to believe that weapons are NEVER smuggled through these tunnels? Is it reasonable for a reporter not to mention this? The men have their faces covered to protect their identities because they are oftimes smuggling weapons and do not want to be identified by the Israelis for fear of arrest.

    I am sorry, but this falls far short of objective reporting. I think even the reporter is uncomfortably aware that his reporting is questionable, but for some reason MSNBC is promulgating this propaganda.

    Truthfully, it almost appeared to me that this video was made by Israelis to support their contentions about the benign nature of the blockade. The voiceover would have been different, but the images of happy healthy well dressed children playing music while their younger premature siblings get cared for in a state of the art hospital with a skilled doctor who receives apparently plenty of food, gasoline, cell phones, clothing and even hair gel, would have convinced me that things were not so bad that a flotilla of terror sympathizers needed to urgently break the "fascist" blockade.

    If things were truly like a Nazi war camp, as many in the world would have us believe, would not MSNBC be able to find somethings more awful than a deaf kid telling jokes in sign language and an adorable smiling kid playing the harp?

    Shame on you!!!
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    Jun 09, 2010 11:32 AM GMT
    I really don't care what MSNBC posts. The conditions in Gaza overall are deplorable. I support Israel, but the extreme right-wing politicians that they keep electing are not doing anything to bring about a real peace.

    You simply cannot compare living conditions in Gaza to those in Israel. If your family was living in Gaza, you'd have a very different perspective.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 09, 2010 12:40 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI really don't care what MSNBC posts. The conditions in Gaza overall are deplorable. I support Israel, but the extreme right-wing politicians that they keep electing are not doing anything to bring about a real peace.

    You simply cannot compare living conditions in Gaza to those in Israel. If your family was living in Gaza, you'd have a very different perspective.


    True dat. Both sides are showing contempt for real peace.
  • rnch

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    Jun 09, 2010 12:43 PM GMT
    do ya'll think that msnbc is better or worse than fox news' "fair and balanced coverage"?
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 09, 2010 12:45 PM GMT
    And BTW, the program is from the NBC Nightly News, which is not part of MSNBC, but is associated with the same network.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 09, 2010 12:48 PM GMT
    gaydocalex said
    I am sorry, but this falls far short of objective reporting. I think even the reporter is uncomfortably aware that his reporting is questionable, but for some reason MSNBC is promulgating this propaganda.

    Truthfully, it almost appeared to me that this video was made by Israelis to support their contentions about the benign nature of the blockade. The voiceover would have been different, but the images of happy healthy well dressed children playing music while their younger premature siblings get cared for in a state of the art hospital with a skilled doctor who receives apparently plenty of food, gasoline, cell phones, clothing and even hair gel, would have convinced me that things were not so bad that a flotilla of terror sympathizers needed to urgently break the "fascist" blockade.

    If things were truly like a Nazi war camp, as many in the world would have us believe, would not MSNBC be able to find somethings more awful than a deaf kid telling jokes in sign language and an adorable smiling kid playing the harp?

    Shame on you!!!



    Even your complaint shows bias. NBC News didn't say anything about comparing Gaza conditions like Nazi war camps, but you projected your perceptions of an outsider's view on Gaza and used it against the report/reporter. Bias. Guaranteed.
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    Jun 09, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    gaydocalex said I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza".



    Good post. The Lib bias of MSNBC and CNN is one reason why FOX leaves them in the dust. The Lib bias of Newsweek is one reason why it's up for sale. The Lib bias of the New York Times is one reason why its stock has lost about 75 percent of its value.

    It's not surprising that Lib media are hostile to Israel. Israel is a modern miracle, a prosperous democracy, one of our strongest allies, and the "apple of God's eye." As a nuclear power, it could wipe out any or all of its hostile neighbors but it threatens no other nation.

    It occupies about 2 percent of the Middle East area subdivided by international agreement after World Wars I and II. The peace-loving Islamic nations who own the other 98 percent should give their brothers, the Palestinians, a nice comfortable homeland. But then they couldn't use them as pawns against Israel.

    Israel's existence is threatened continuously by radical Islam including Hamas, the terrorist organization which helps make Gaza the hellhole that it is, as well as Hezbollah and its sponsor, the great exporter of terror, Iran.

    MSNBC and NBC are two-bit players in this compared to the incompetent Lib Obama and his administration, which is stabbing Israel (as well as other U.S. allies) in the back. In this and other ways Obambi and the Libs put the U.S. in jeopardy -- just part of their destroy-America agenda. Perhaps you should save some indignation for them, as you steel yourself against flack from the Libs on this site.
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    Jun 09, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
    Way to take a topic and turn it into a rant against the liberal media and their support of our president. Good Job jockfever
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    Jun 09, 2010 7:50 PM GMT
    jockfever said
    gaydocalex said I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza".



    Good post. The Lib bias of MSNBC and CNN is one reason why FOX leaves them in the dust. The Lib bias of Newsweek is one reason why it's up for sale. The Lib bias of the New York Times is one reason why its stock has lost about 75 percent of its value.

    It's not surprising that Lib media are hostile to Israel. Israel is a modern miracle, a prosperous democracy, one of our strongest allies, and the "apple of God's eye." As a nuclear power, it could wipe out any or all of its hostile neighbors but it threatens no other nation.

    It occupies about 2 percent of the Middle East area subdivided by international agreement after World War II. The peace-loving Islamic nations who own the other 98 percent should give their brothers, the Palestinians, a nice comfortable homeland. But then they couldn't use them as pawns against Israel.

    Israel's existence is threatened continuously by radical Islam including Hamas, the terrorist organization which helps make Gaza the hellhole that it is, as well as Hezbollah and its sponsor, the great exporter of terror, Iran.

    MSNBC and NBC are two-bit players in this compared to the incompetent Lib Obama and his administration, which is stabbing Israel (as well as other U.S. allies) in the back. In this and other ways Obambi and the Libs put the U.S. in jeopardy -- just part of their destroy-America agenda. Perhaps you should save some indignation for them, as you steel yourself against flack from the Libs on this site.


    Your viewpoint makes me laugh. Every time I hear someone talking about the liberal media, I know someone has seen some fact they don't like and did not want to see.

    Fox news is a shameful attempt to counterbalance other media outlets. It could have done it better, but it chose a darker path of using innuendo and half-truth, or if it could not do that it would simply ignore a story it feared might offend its often ignorant audience. My late father liked Fox, but then he also did not have much contact with his queer son and did not hesitate to use derogatory terms for gay people, Jews, black people, Asians, Native Americans, basically anyone who did not fit his image of Nascar-loving, cigarette-smoking white people. I remember when he supported George Wallace for president.

    Let's go back to your statements. They indicate that you consider Israel beyond reproach even as its policies help to sustain the militants who run Gaza. It is held hostage by the reactionary religious parties who hold power far beyond their actual numbers. Many Israeli Jews do not like those parties, but continue to vote for conservative politicians in just enough numbers to force a coalition government with these Jewish analogues to Hamas. It has seen Israel take actions over the years since 1967 that have been increasingly repressive. I expect better from a country formed out of the devastation, cruelty, and slaughter of World War II.

    The surrounding Arab countries set the environment for the Palestinians in 1948 when they went against the U.N. mandate for a Palestinian state as well as a Jewish state. Jordan and Egypt annexed much of the land intended for Palestine then attacked Israel, nearly killing it but finally losing and being humiliated. 1956 saw another war when Egypt nationalised the Suez but Britain and France joined Israel in attacking Egypt. Eisenhower force them to withdraw back to prewar boundaries. In 1967, it was clear that Egypt, Jordan, and Syria were mobilising to attack Israel. Israel struck first and this time occupied the West Bank, Sinai, and Gaza. At first, it wasn't so bad, but Arabs everywhere wanted vengence for the humiliating defeat. Radicalisation began, not surprisingly, in the mosques. Preachers throughout the world have led people into the dark recesses of fanaticism.

    In 1973, it became apparent that something was up with Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. When they attacked, Israel had begun to mobilise but mobilisation was not complete; however, after significant losses, Israel prevailed even crossing the Suez. Radicalisation really took off after that.

    My point is that this is not straightforward, but Israel and the Arabs have become locked into a cycle of neverending violence. Hamas or Hezbollah fire rockets into Israel. Although mostly ineffective, the rockets provoke a response from Israel. In the response, more Arab civilians die. This feeds into the fanaticism of Arabs. More suicide bombers and rockets lead to a massive retaliation. Gaza is blockaded. The claim that supplietss get through is true, but not enough. Much of the destruction of the last Israeli offensive remains unrepaired. Food and medicines do not get through in sufficient quantities, so well-meaning activists attempt to run the blockade. Once again, it appears that Israel responds disproportionately. The only footage that is released tends to support it even though we see some of the Turks who are part of this brandishing pipes. Israel lost its credibility in 1981 with the massacre in the refugee camp in southern Lebanon. It is easy for the Arabs to portray Israelis as killers of unarmed civilians.

    Something has to change in the equation or this will only grow worse. I know the fundamentalist Christians love this shit. They believe this will lead to Armageddon and the second coming of Jesus.
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    Jun 09, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    jockfever said
    gaydocalex said I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza".



    Good post. The Lib bias of MSNBC and CNN is one reason why FOX leaves them in the dust. The Lib bias of Newsweek is one reason why it's up for sale. The Lib bias of the New York Times is one reason why its stock has lost about 75 percent of its value.

    It's not surprising that Lib media are hostile to Israel. Israel is a modern miracle, a prosperous democracy, one of our strongest allies, and the "apple of God's eye." As a nuclear power, it could wipe out any or all of its hostile neighbors but it threatens no other nation.

    It occupies about 2 percent of the Middle East area subdivided by international agreement after World War II. The peace-loving Islamic nations who own the other 98 percent should give their brothers, the Palestinians, a nice comfortable homeland. But then they couldn't use them as pawns against Israel.

    Israel's existence is threatened continuously by radical Islam including Hamas, the terrorist organization which helps make Gaza the hellhole that it is, as well as Hezbollah and its sponsor, the great exporter of terror, Iran.

    MSNBC and NBC are two-bit players in this compared to the incompetent Lib Obama and his administration, which is stabbing Israel (as well as other U.S. allies) in the back. In this and other ways Obambi and the Libs put the U.S. in jeopardy -- just part of their destroy-America agenda. Perhaps you should save some indignation for them, as you steel yourself against flack from the Libs on this site.



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    Jun 09, 2010 8:01 PM GMT
    some posts are not even worth pissing on.
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    Jun 09, 2010 8:06 PM GMT
    Let's see: can we have a thread where liberals don't go ad hominem at people or jut insult their argument instead of trying to counter it?

    ...didn't think so.
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    Fearthefall saidLet's see: can we have a thread where liberals don't go ad hominem at people or jut insult their argument instead of trying to counter it?

    ...didn't think so.

    You hit the nail on the head. Very succinct and very correct observation. It's almost not worth even getting into politics on this site, though I still do from time to time. I try to have very civil discussions, and respect other viewpoints, but there is a core group that either goes on the attack mode or states false or incomplete facts.

    It's heartening that someone your age going to a university in Seattle is able to maintain clear logical thought. I hope you're not too much of an exception.

    (expecting to be attacked)
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    Jun 09, 2010 9:24 PM GMT
    jjdayz saidWay to take a topic and turn it into a rant against the liberal media and their support of our president. Good Job jockfever


    Interesting. I thought the media was supposed to be neither liberal or conservative. I thought they were supposed to report the news objectively as they keep screaming they are. I wasn't aware they were supposed to support any president. At least I'm glad to finally see a liberal admit to the liberal bias of the majority of the media instead of continuing to tell me there is no liberal bias in the media. Thanks for clearing that up.
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    Jun 09, 2010 10:21 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Fearthefall saidLet's see: can we have a thread where liberals don't go ad hominem at people or jut insult their argument instead of trying to counter it?

    ...didn't think so.

    You hit the nail on the head. Very succinct and very correct observation. It's almost not worth even getting into politics on this site, though I still do from time to time. I try to have very civil discussions, and respect other viewpoints, but there is a core group that either goes on the attack mode or states false or incomplete facts.

    It's heartening that someone your age going to a university in Seattle is able to maintain clear logical thought. I hope you're not too much of an exception.

    (expecting to be attacked)



    Okay. To both of you, socalfitness and Fearthefall, where in that video was there mention of a comparison to Nazi war camps? Nowhere. My point was that just because the report showcased deplorable conditions in Gaza doesn't give the OP a right to rant about something as biased and using his own bias to rail against the report. That is what is called intellectual dishonesty.

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    socalfitness said
    Fearthefall saidLet's see: can we have a thread where liberals don't go ad hominem at people or jut insult their argument instead of trying to counter it?

    ...didn't think so.

    You hit the nail on the head. Very succinct and very correct observation. It's almost not worth even getting into politics on this site, though I still do from time to time. I try to have very civil discussions, and respect other viewpoints, but there is a core group that either goes on the attack mode or states false or incomplete facts.

    It's heartening that someone your age going to a university in Seattle is able to maintain clear logical thought. I hope you're not too much of an exception.

    (expecting to be attacked)



    Okay. To both of you, socalfitness and Fearthefall, where in that video was there mention of a comparison to Nazi war camps? Nowhere. My point was that just because the report showcased deplorable conditions in Gaza doesn't give the OP a right to rant about something as biased and using his own bias to rail against the report. That is what is called intellectual dishonesty.


    Your point is irrelevant. OP never claimed video mentioned Nazi war camps. He was making a comparison, and even if the comparison was not appropriate, it has no relevance to his claim of media bias. Your attempt to discredit his entire message because of that comparison doesn't work. Your point also has no relevance to observation of Fearthefall and myself.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 10, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    Although I readily admit that Gaza is a very unfortunate place,

    That's ALL that really needs to be said doesn't it?

    WHAT was ON that ship that Israel stopped????

    Bombs?
    Rocket Launchers?
    Uranium?

    No ..... it was Humanitarian aide consisting of Hospital supplies
    and construction materials

    ......... So Shame on WHO???
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    Christian73 saidI really don't care what MSNBC posts. The conditions in Gaza overall are deplorable. I support Israel, but the extreme right-wing politicians that they keep electing are not doing anything to bring about a real peace.

    You simply cannot compare living conditions in Gaza to those in Israel. If your family was living in Gaza, you'd have a very different perspective.


    well said.
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    Jun 10, 2010 7:57 AM GMT
    gaydocalex said I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza".

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    4. The tunnels are shown and described as transporting food and animals. Are we to believe that weapons are NEVER smuggled through these tunnels? Is it reasonable for a reporter not to mention this? The men have their faces covered to protect their identities because they are oftimes smuggling weapons and do not want to be identified by the Israelis for fear of arrest.

    I am sorry, but this falls far short of objective reporting. I think even the reporter is uncomfortably aware that his reporting is questionable, but for some reason MSNBC is promulgating this propaganda.

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    Your use of the word "propaganda" raises a point.

    Freedom of the press doesn't exist in Gaza, one example being the Paul Martin case.

    Any reporter who investigates arms being smuggled into Gaza risks being arrested and detained as a "spy for Israel."

    Question: What limitations did NBC/MSNBC accept in order to get this kind of access and what level of control did Hamas exercise over the content?

    Real journalists make a disclaimer when their reporting is subject to any kind of official control, especially by a terrorist organization.


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    jjdayz saidWay to take a topic and turn it into a rant against the liberal media and their support of our president. Good Job jockfever


    Interesting. I thought the media was supposed to be neither liberal or conservative. I thought they were supposed to report the news objectively as they keep screaming they are. I wasn't aware they were supposed to support any president. At least I'm glad to finally see a liberal admit to the liberal bias of the majority of the media instead of continuing to tell me there is no liberal bias in the media. Thanks for clearing that up.


    Thank you for your assumptions that 1: I am liberal, 2: That i was in any way labeling the media liberal or conservative, 3: that i was insinuating that they do in fact support the president in any way shape or form. I was simply commenting on the way that someone took over the thread to rant, as usual when someone posts something political.

    If you were in anyway a real person, as opposed to someone using pictures that do not match, or that have been in circulation since 1994 on gay.com attached t0 15 different fake profiles, i might be inclined to respond further, but can't be arsed at this point to worry about what you think. Thanks!
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    Jun 14, 2010 7:00 PM GMT
    gaydocalex said I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza"...


    jockfever said
    Good post... The Lib bias of MSNBC and CNN is one reason why FOX leaves them in the dust...


    scrumrob said
    Your viewpoint makes me laugh. Every time I hear someone talking about the liberal media, I know someone has seen some fact they don't like and did not want to see.
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    The problem is that Lib Media treat fiction like facts and facts like fiction.

    Dan Rather’s use of fictional documents to try to ruin Bush’s election prospects is one example. Another is the New York Times' front-page fictional story about McCain having an affair.

    The Lib Media treated the facts about John Edwards’ affair as fictional as long as they could, a reminder of how they treated Jack Kennedy’s sex and drug activity in the White House as fiction.

    The falsification of climate data and other unscientific activity at the University of East Anglia should have exploded the myth of global warming, but since the facts didn’t fit the Lib template, they were treated as fiction and left unreported or underreported.

    The Duke Lacrosse team was all but convicted by the Lib media, as were the Marines involved in the Haditha incident. Both stories were the kind of fiction which Libs wanted to be factual so the stories got extensive coverage.

    To get Obama elected the Lib Media dropped all pretense of impartiality. Reporters dove into any dumpster to find fictional dirt on Sarah Palin, but they couldn’t be bothered to investigate the facts about Obambi’s background. Charlie Rose and Tom Brokaw chuckled (after the election) that “we really don’t know who Obamba is.” They allowed him, and continue to allow him, to keep his medical, college, and other records secret.

    Helen Thomas’s anti-Israel meltdown was like the big biased Lib bursting out of the skin of a Senior White House Correspondent. Her virulent anti-Israeli outburst was appropriately her swan song.

    If it fits the Lib template, fiction is treated like fact. If it doesn’t fit the Lib template, facts are treated like fiction. That’s the Lib Media – unfair, imbalanced, and increasingly irrelevant.
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    Jun 14, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
    I pronounce this thread dead, almost before it started. Everyone is so interested in proclaiming that the other side is so biased that you can't even exchange ideas. Opinions on this topic are so dependent upon the prizim through which we view the different players that having an objective discussion is quite nearly impossible. Then, turning this into a rant against one network or another is completely counterproductive . Someone who slants conservative is in no position to call Fox News Fair and balanced any more than someone who slants left is in a position of call MSNBC fair and balanced.

    That being said...my mother always told me that the person I should trust the least is the one that says "trust me"...for whatever that's worth.
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    jockfever said
    gaydocalex said I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza"...


    jockfever said
    Good post... The Lib bias of MSNBC and CNN is one reason why FOX leaves them in the dust...


    scrumrob said
    Your viewpoint makes me laugh. Every time I hear someone talking about the liberal media, I know someone has seen some fact they don't like and did not want to see.
    .


    The problem is that Lib Media treat fiction like facts and facts like fiction.

    Dan Rather’s use of fictional documents to try to ruin Bush’s election prospects is one example. Another is the New York Times' front-page fictional story about McCain having an affair.

    The Lib Media treated the facts about John Edwards’ affair as fictional as long as they could, a reminder of how they treated Jack Kennedy’s sex and drug activity in the White House as fiction.

    The falsification of climate data and other unscientific activity at the University of East Anglia should have exploded the myth of global warming, but since the facts didn’t fit the Lib template, they were treated as fiction and left unreported or underreported.

    The Duke Lacrosse team was all but convicted by the Lib media, as were the Marines involved in the Haditha incident. Both stories were the kind of fiction which Libs wanted to be factual so the stories got extensive coverage.

    To get Obama elected the Lib Media dropped all pretense of impartiality. Reporters dove into any dumpster to find fictional dirt on Sarah Palin, but they couldn’t be bothered to investigate the facts about Obambi’s background. Charlie Rose and Tom Brokaw chuckled (after the election) that “we really don’t know who Obamba is.” They allowed him, and continue to allow him, to keep his medical, college, and other records secret.

    Helen Thomas’s anti-Israel meltdown was like the big biased Lib bursting out of the skin of a Senior White House Correspondent. Her virulent anti-Israeli outburst was appropriately her swan song.

    If it fits the Lib template, fiction is treated like fact. If it doesn’t fit the Lib template, facts are treated like fiction. That’s the Lib Media – unfair, imbalanced, and increasingly irrelevant.


    That's quite a broad stroke to brush with, methinks you see only that which confirms your worldview. Sometimes you're right, a lot of the time you're wrong. Partisanship at its best, and I'm gulity of it too... But broad statements about the other side using fact as fiction and vice versa is dangerous, disingenuous, and intellectually dishonest
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    gaydocalex said I am very angry about the MSNBC video segment titled "Growing up in blockaded Gaza".



    Good post. The Lib bias of MSNBC and CNN is one reason why FOX leaves them in the dust. The Lib bias of Newsweek is one reason why it's up for sale. The Lib bias of the New York Times is one reason why its stock has lost about 75 percent of its value.

    It's not surprising that Lib media are hostile to Israel. Israel is a modern miracle, a prosperous democracy, one of our strongest allies, and the "apple of God's eye." As a nuclear power, it could wipe out any or all of its hostile neighbors but it threatens no other nation.

    It occupies about 2 percent of the Middle East area subdivided by international agreement after World War II. The peace-loving Islamic nations who own the other 98 percent should give their brothers, the Palestinians, a nice comfortable homeland. But then they couldn't use them as pawns against Israel.

    Israel's existence is threatened continuously by radical Islam including Hamas, the terrorist organization which helps make Gaza the hellhole that it is, as well as Hezbollah and its sponsor, the great exporter of terror, Iran.

    MSNBC and NBC are two-bit players in this compared to the incompetent Lib Obama and his administration, which is stabbing Israel (as well as other U.S. allies) in the back. In this and other ways Obambi and the Libs put the U.S. in jeopardy -- just part of their destroy-America agenda. Perhaps you should save some indignation for them, as you steel yourself against flack from the Libs on this site.


    Retired folks who sit around and watch Fox News all day are the reason for the great ratings. But in the grand scheme of things, news ratings pale in comparison to entertainment. So go ahead and keep sining FN's praises if it makes you feel better.
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    Jun 14, 2010 7:34 PM GMT
    MSNBC is biased? Seriously, you're just figuring this out now?