htc and apple in court

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    Jun 09, 2010 12:17 PM GMT
    http://www.htc.com/us/press/htc-sues-apple-for-patent-infringement/15
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    Jun 09, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
    Okay, that article really didn't say a damned thing. “We are taking this action against Apple to protect our intellectual property, our industry partners, and most importantly our customers that use HTC phones.” Okay, I'll bite. What are the specifics of their grievance? Don't get me wrong, I'm much more a fan of HTC than Apple. I would just like to know what they are suing over rather than that they are just suing.
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    Jun 09, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidOkay, that article really didn't say a damned thing. “We are taking this action against Apple to protect our intellectual property, our industry partners, and most importantly our customers that use HTC phones.” Okay, I'll bite. What are the specifics of their grievance? Don't get me wrong, I'm much more a fan of HTC than Apple. I would just like to know what they are suing over rather than that they are just suing.


    probably all of the good stuff in iphone 4.
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    Jun 09, 2010 3:06 PM GMT
    Apple sued htc a while ago, this is just htc being lame.
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10462116-94.html
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    Jun 09, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
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    GuerrillaSodomite saidOkay, that article really didn't say a damned thing. “We are taking this action against Apple to protect our intellectual property, our industry partners, and most importantly our customers that use HTC phones.” Okay, I'll bite. What are the specifics of their grievance? Don't get me wrong, I'm much more a fan of HTC than Apple. I would just like to know what they are suing over rather than that they are just suing.


    probably all of the good stuff in iphone 4.



    Apple filed suit against HTC
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/190590/apple_sues_htc.html

    That was HTC's countersuit.
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/196229/htc_fires_back_sues_apple.html

    As far as I know HTC has not named the patents that they claim Apple violated.

    It isn't over iPhone 4 as the suit as both were filed last month and iPhone 4 was introduces two days ago.

    The whole thing seems like an expensive road to nowhere.
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    Jun 09, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    Sometimes these lawsuits are about physical patents and sometimes about overgeneralized software patents. software patents are a bad idea in general. The original notion was a patent had to be an actual physical design (that was implemented) that was "novel and unique" and not done before. Even at that the original framers of the idea were hesitant to put bounds on intellectual creativity and freedom. But the notion of the patent was to ENCOURAGE innovation through competition.

    "Written works" were to have limited protection in the form of copyright. As far as software, you could not copy someone's code (as in plagiarism) but you could write something similar if you did it in a different way, or you used "white-room" techniques that ensured that no one was copying someone else's code.

    Then in the 80's (I think) there was a lower court ruling that software could be patented. The problem is that especially back then the courts really didn't know much about software development or the impact of the ruling.

    The problem with patenting software is that many of the ideas are intuitive and not "novel" anyway, and also software idea spread rapidly because it is so cheap (aside from lawsuits) to produce software. It is practically impossible to create some software which is not based on some previous idea as that is how software design works. A patent time of 20 years is also ridiculous because software "turns over" and becomes obsolete much quicker than that.

    Patenting software is like patenting a type of novel or a theme used in painting. If someone could patent for instance the notion of a vampire novel, it would stifle literary creativity incredibly an unnecessarily.

    These sorts of lawsuits are really about decreasing competition and creating monopolies by stifling the creativity of competitors. Also look up the term "patent trolling" and you will see how software patents actually discourage creativity and intellectual freedom.

    http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/basics/index.html

    Law professor Lawrence Lessig has written many books and blogs on the subject also. He is a brilliant man.
    http://www.lessig.org/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig
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    Jun 09, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    I concur.

    Classic example of this is the Tivo law suits.

    EVERY recorder has / should have reverse, forward, skip backward, skip forward, play. Just makes common sense. Tivo lays claim to the concept of time-shifting and recording in real time (backing up while watching the recording in real time). That's a stretch, but, nonetheless, the greedy bastards have milked millions from anyone who (say Verizon) who make their own recorders. It's time some of this stuff was over turned and laws changed. It KILLS innovation.
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    Jun 10, 2010 6:26 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidOkay, that article really didn't say a damned thing. “We are taking this action against Apple to protect our intellectual property, our industry partners, and most importantly our customers that use HTC phones.” Okay, I'll bite. What are the specifics of their grievance? Don't get me wrong, I'm much more a fan of HTC than Apple. I would just like to know what they are suing over rather than that they are just suing.




    Well its hard to find out I been lookin and asking but from Wat I.know HTC is sayin Apple has stolen 5 patents from them and used it on their products. My cousin told me that touch flow is one of them. He said original Google it a dude worked for HTC and deflected to Apple and took ideas from HTC to Apple and that started it, I guess, but I'm HTC fan to but I'm wondering Wat took so long and what else has been took. Anyone else have any idwas.