MOVING TO CANADA

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    Jun 10, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
    WELL PPL ... let me introduce myself

    Im Alexander and im planning to move to canada for 1 year (work and study)

    The thing is ive never been in Canada before and i want you guys to help me out to choose the coolest diverse multicultural gay friendly place of the mentioned above.

    1) MONTREAL 2)TORONTO 3)VANCOUVER

    The biggest concern i have is winter ... i am not cold/freezy/snowy proof material.

    So i wanna know in which of the 3 option, winter is less aggressive?
    Which of the 3 is the less expensive city?
    Which is the best gym that i can find on the 3 cities?
    Which is the most poly-cultural of them all?
    Where can i find very cheap places to live and rent?
    What city city has the coolest gay clubs?


    and i dont know what more to ask....but i think this will be enough for now

    thanks for answering this and for taking you time to help me....

    Hope you have a nice day, blesses & infinite love
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    Jun 10, 2010 4:03 PM GMT


    Weather-wise, Vancouver is warmest, but with more rain.
    Affordability: Vancouver area is cheapest out of the three cities you mentioned..

    Vancouver area has over 52% of its population speaking English as a second language.

    Clubs etc? Can't say, sorry.

    All three cities have great gyms.


    -Doug
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    Jun 10, 2010 4:14 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Weather-wise, Vancouver is warmest, but with more rain.
    Affordability: Vancouver area is cheapest out of the three cities you mentioned..

    Vancouver area has over 52% of its population speaking English as a second language.

    Clubs etc? Can't say, sorry.

    All three cities have great gyms.


    -Doug


    Vancouver is definitely not the cheapest, its probably the most expensive plast to live in Canada. I've looked for places in both cities before doing some research for school, the average house price in Vancouver is about 650,000 compared to Tornton at around 450,000-500,000, so imagine what that translates to in rent cost, also Vancouver is sperated into smaller islands, downtown is on one of the smallest, so Condo/home prices are at an absolute premium.

    Vancouver is probably one of Canada's most beautiful cities being nestled on the coast and surrounded by mountains and what not,

    Toronto is a lot bigger though (about 2.7millionaprox, compared to Vancouver 570,000 and montreal 2million) and definitely the hub of Canada but it is probably the "grungiest" of the cities, not to say that the city is that ghetto compared to many other canadian cities, it is in compared to montreal and vancouver. I know for sure that Toronto has the biggest gay community by far, and youll probably have a lot of fun there, and 52% of people from toronto are foreign, though Vancouver is pretty close to that figure as well but it's mostly people from asia that are immigrants or so ive heard.

    Montreal is pretty clean, lots of history has a subway system, and a good portion speaks french, has a unique culture due to its french heritige other then that i have no clue
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    Jun 10, 2010 4:18 PM GMT
    Toronto would be your best bet! Mulicultural and full of life! WELCOME! icon_smile.gif Montreal is great too for shopping, nightlife and art, but living wise? i don't know if I could...Vancouver never been but heard it's beautiful!
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    Jun 10, 2010 6:01 PM GMT
    This is going to sound one sided, but so what! lol

    1. So i wanna know in which of the 3 option, winter is less aggressive?
    It rarely snows here in Vancouver

    2. Which of the 3 is the less expensive city?
    I'm not sure about Toronto or Montreal, but you can find good eateries, clothing, groceries and whatnot at very good prices.

    3. Which is the best gym that i can find on the 3 cities?
    There's 2 in the Vancouver area that are worth something (i guess), Fitness world (one in the "heart" of the gay scene) with many clubs all over the city and surrounding areas, then there's Steve Nash (NBA star) sports club, with new ones popping up. Plus there are great community centre's with nice facilities, and generic types like YMCA (near the gay hub) and Gold's Gym.

    4. Which is the most poly-cultural of them all?
    I'd like to think of Vancouver as a melting pot. lol

    5. Where can i find very cheap places to live and rent?
    In Vancouver: Rent wise...$700 per month for a nice bachelor suite, suburbs are better for finding places.

    6. What city has the coolest gay clubs?
    For gay clubs, there's a mix here: We have Celebrities which usually a gay and straight mix, Odyssey (same as previous but with go-go boys), Numbers has all types of gay guys, Pumpjacks is for the leather & denim crowd, there's a few more but I don't know about all of them. There are also gay cafes situated in East Vancouver (Commercial Drive), plus s
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    Jun 10, 2010 6:10 PM GMT
    Montreal and Toronto got similar weather patterns. In Toronto you'll feel like you're still in the US, in Montreal you'll get a more European enviroment but its french/english, you can perfectly get by with English but eventually you should learn French.
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    Jun 10, 2010 6:27 PM GMT
    wade_in_BC saidThis is going to sound one sided, but so what! lol

    1. So i wanna know in which of the 3 option, winter is less aggressive?
    It rarely snows here in Vancouver

    2. Which of the 3 is the less expensive city?
    I'm not sure about Toronto or Montreal, but you can find good eateries, clothing, groceries and whatnot at very good prices.

    3. Which is the best gym that i can find on the 3 cities?
    There's 2 in the Vancouver area that are worth something (i guess), Fitness world (one in the "heart" of the gay scene) with many clubs all over the city and surrounding areas, then there's Steve Nash (NBA star) sports club, with new ones popping up. Plus there are great community centre's with nice facilities, and generic types like YMCA (near the gay hub) and Gold's Gym.

    4. Which is the most poly-cultural of them all?
    I'd like to think of Vancouver as a melting pot. lol

    5. Where can i find very cheap places to live and rent?
    In Vancouver: Rent wise...$700 per month for a nice bachelor suite, suburbs are better for finding places.

    6. What city has the coolest gay clubs?
    For gay clubs, there's a mix here: We have Celebrities which usually a gay and straight mix, Odyssey (same as previous but with go-go boys), Numbers has all types of gay guys, Pumpjacks is for the leather & denim crowd, there's a few more but I don't know about all of them. There are also gay cafes situated in East Vancouver (Commercial Drive), plus s


    1. True

    2. Montreal is cheaper than Toronto but not sure about Vancouver.

    3. Montreal has the biggest gym for weight lifting in the whole country if Im not mistaken. Its Progym, a couple of trainers at this gym are World Champion trainers and Professional Athletes, also theres this other trainer, a woman who was Miss Quebec 2008. the YMCA facility downtown Montreal is pretty big plus a whole bunch of other big Quebec branches in the area, Nautilus, Energy Cardio and such.



    4. Toronto is the most multicultural city in the world...43% of their habitants are foreign born.

    5. I pay $975 for a 4 1/2 downtown Montreal, two bathrooms, two bedrooms, walk in closet, kitchen, living room and a pretty big balcony...all utilities included. The building also has an indoors swimming pool and 2 parking floors.

    6. Montreal is the biggest gay destination in Canada, the gay village in Montreal features about 6 gay night clubs, over 10 gay bars, 4 gay saunas, 5 gay strip clubs, 2 afterhours, 2 club restaurants and a dedicated club for drag queen shows. Also every single business is gay directed in this area(even Tim Hortons), all the stores and all the restaurants.
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    Jun 10, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
    I'd go to Vancouver if I were you. It's the most interesting city, Montreal being second choice. Toronto doesn't really offer much, it has awful winters. It's very sterile looking, lots of ugly looking apartment buildings reminscent of east berlin dot the landscape.
    I lived in Vancouver for about 12 years and loved it. I love visiting Montreal and would live there too. Toronto,,blechhh.

    Vancouver you have beaches right downtown, you can go skiing on the mountains surrounding the city, hiking in the mountains,, tons of things to do many of which are in the city.

    Vancouver is the most gay friendly city as well.. Much more laid back and nothing at all like Toronto or Montreal but at least Montreal has some style that Toronto doesn't.
    Toronto you see cement and concrete with weeds growing in the cracks. LOL
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    Jun 11, 2010 1:34 AM GMT
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    THIS IS AMAZING.....THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR TIME AND FOR HELPING ME.

    WELL I MUST SAY ONE THING IS GOING TO BE VERY VERY SAD.... i can not count Montreal (CAUSE I DONT KNOW ANY FRENCH AT ALL) and its soooooooooooooo difficult >how ppl can lear a difficult language as french<

    NOW I JUST HAVE TO WAIT TO MY VISA APPROVAL AND TO MAKE THE PHONE INTERVIEWS WHIT THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS OF WORK THE OFFER TO ME....


    UNTIL THEN PLEASE KEEP POSTING STUFF....

    DOES EXIST ANY SORT OF WEB PAGE THAT OFFERS DEPARTMENTS FOR RENT???

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    Jun 11, 2010 2:07 AM GMT
    Well, I think I could help. I have lived in all three cities mentioned, so perhaps I could divulge a little more perspective.

    Vancouver:

    I have spent most of my life in Vancouver, where I am currently situated. The winters here are much more mild than everywhere else in Canada. Vancouver is on the edge of the largest temperate rainforest in the world, so we have LOTS of rain all year-round. That was the majority of our winter this year. However, with that climate, the cold here can still 'feel' really cold, even though it is less extreme than elsewhere in Canada. Vancouver is also the most expensive city to live in across Canada. The wealth here is extreme, but so is the poverty. It's beautiful, but also deceiving. Winter people have the mountains, summer people have the ocean. The diversity among people largely depends upon where you are located. Within the city, it's fairly diverse and multicultural and Vancouver has an enormous Asian population (Hongcouver, Japanada). However, city-living is very expensive, and cheap places are hard to come by, unless you are willing to live in East Hastings. As for gay clubs, we have Davie Street here, I have only really been to Celebrities and the Odyssey, which are both fun (mostly), but Celebrities is pretty mainstream and has a lot of straight nights; the Odyssey is just plain gay, but it has more entertaining people (naturally).

    Toronto:

    Lived here for three years and visit often. Biggest city in Canada and also the most multicultural city in the world. This means that there is a lot of good places to eat everywhere, there is a Polish area, an Indian area, China town is great (Kensington Market), and literally almost every culture you can imagine, and you get all that food at your fingertips. Amazing. Transit system is good (unlike Vancouver, which is annoying if you live outside the city). It's a big city, so there is always something going on. Winters can be rough, cold and snowy, but you can bundle up and survive, whereas in Vancouver it's more of a 'wet cold', so it chills you to the bone. But it does get COLD in Toronto. And it gets hot and humid in the summer. The gay street is Church Street, and it's kind of trashy, not gonna lie. I don't know the good clubs there, but it's Toronto, there will be something. Toronto is expensive depending upon where you live, but not as bad as Vancouver.

    Montreal:

    Spent my last two summers in Montreal, and will be moving there shortly (as soon as I am off crutches). For the record, I am bias in my assessments because I am moving to Montreal, so I obviously think it is the best city, but not everyone agrees. It is extremely multi-cultural, not as varied as Toronto, but much more-so than Vancouver. It is the MOST gay-friendly city in Canada, and could be competition for San Francisco. The gay cubs are abundant, some cheap and trashy, others fun and the best is the six-story lesbian bar - Drug Store. ha! It's also the cheapest of the three cities, and I can afford to live in a really good neighbourhood for the equivalent of what would get me a small room in a shitty apartment in a street with more prostitutes than pedestrians in Vancouver. Food is much cheaper here too. Montreal is a bilingual city, so it is French-speaking and English-speaking. You can get by with one or the other, but if you're going to be there, you may as well learn French (or try to), it WILL get you better service. Also, it helps to make friends with Anglos and Francophones, and then you can have friends who will be HAPPY to teach you French. You will also be exposed to poutine: fries served with cheese curds and gravy. It's amazing, but only eat it while intoxicated. It should NOT be a regular part of your diet. Montreal also has hot and humid summers, more so than Toronto, and their winters are much worse than Toronto's too, tons of snow and it can get REALLY cold. It's a big party city, and in the summer there is ALWAYS something going on in the city, which leaves the main street - Saint Catherine street - pretty much closed for pedestrian traffic and music festivals all summer long.

    Here it is simplified for Americans.

    Vancouver = Los Angeles
    Toronto = New York
    Montreal = New Orleans (pre-Katrina).

    Hope that helps.
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    Jun 11, 2010 7:27 AM GMT
    If you're looking to see what rental prices are for each city, go to craigslist.org and check out each city. That can give you an understanding of the average prices. Be careful though, if applying for places there, as some are scams. But the majority are reputable.

    P.S. Check out their respective suburbs also as you may find even cheaper rentals.
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    Jun 11, 2010 9:36 AM GMT
    You lucky bastard.
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    Jun 11, 2010 10:13 AM GMT
    MONTREAL MONTREAL MONTREAL!!

    So much culture and fun. Not as expensive to live in as the others.
    You can get by without knowing French.
    Gay is VERY accepted!!

    Vancouver would be second for me- lots to do, but the weather would be a downside.

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    Jun 11, 2010 11:02 AM GMT
    I am French. I came to Canada and lived in Montreal for 12 years. Then I moved to Toronto about 3 years ago. I just know Vancouver through some vacation time I spent over there.

    If you biggest concern is winter, do not go to Montreal: worst winters I ever had to live through!

    Vancouver: beautiful city but well known as very expensive. Mild winters but very rainy all year long. Heard gay life was quite good but did see any of it while being there (?). Multicultural? I don't think so. Lots of emigrants but mostly from Asia. Gyms: don't know.

    Toronto: not as beautiful as Montreal but WAY more welcoming. Definitely the most multicultural, from every continents. Toronto really seems to have warmer winters. But still, you will see some snow and low temperatures. Summers are great and not as humid as in Montreal. Very easy to go to Montreal for a long weekend, and to the US very close by. Gay life is not a rich as in Montreal. Good gyms. More expensive than Montreal but cheaper than Vancouver.

    Montreal: love the city. But stay away from those people. NEED to speak French or you will have problems (socially, etc...). Very active gay community but mostly separatist (political movement promoting the separation of Quebec from Canada). So if you don't want to express yourself in French, you will hear about it. In my opinion (and most people in Canada), they are very closed minded. Montreal is multicultural (mostly from Europe and Africa) but not the Provice of Quebec! And by multicultural, I mean you will see lots of emigrants in Montreal, but they are not accepted very well by Quebecois. Lots of bars and gay places. If you like to go out, this is the place. The cheapest of the 3 cities. Nice gyms too as in Toronto. I heard about Pro-Gym too but not in good ways though.

    I would say select Toronto and go to Montreal on vacation.
    Good luck.
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    Jun 11, 2010 11:07 AM GMT
    I'm going to Quebec this year, so i think i better visit this topic everyday cause i'm loving to Know Canada more and more, hope i'm not wrong about the country, cause i am really excited.
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    Jun 11, 2010 11:55 AM GMT
    I tried to move to vancouver,it was so boring and expensive there.It sucked.
    For a school exchange,I would definitely go to Montreal (cheapest city + the most fun city)
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    Jun 11, 2010 12:52 PM GMT
    vancouver is by far the warmest, but it is not cheaper, it is the most expensive.
    the most multiculteral is toronto, and when comared with montreal i have no idea which is more expensive but i'd probably say toronto is the pricier of those 2.

    if you want the over all experience of cultures and your willing to tolerate the winter then i'd say toronto is the best bet.

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    Jun 11, 2010 1:03 PM GMT
    MeOhMy said

    Here it is simplified for Americans.

    Vancouver = Los Angeles
    Toronto = New York
    Montreal = New Orleans (pre-Katrina).

    Hope that helps.


    I have been to Toronto many times and it's a great city, Freinds say the same thing about Montreal as well

    Is Vancouver really like L.A.? because I HATED L.A... I had in the past heard great things about Vancouver and planned on checking it out someday but would be completly bummed if that was the case.
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    Jun 11, 2010 3:01 PM GMT
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    So i wanna know in which of the 3 option, winter is less aggressive?
    Which of the 3 is the less expensive city?
    Which is the best gym that i can find on the 3 cities?
    Which is the most poly-cultural of them all?
    Where can i find very cheap places to live and rent?
    What city city has the coolest gay clubs?

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    1) In order (from least to most) of least aggressive weather: Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal. Having said that, while Vancouver gets very little snow, they do get a lot of rain which can be rather gloomy. Having said that, Toronto generally doesn't have REALLY cold winters (other than maybe a week or two over the course of the winter of REAL cold).

    2) I would say Montreal is the least expensive city for RENT -- however, many places there still require you to bring your own appliances (stove, washer, dryer, and possibly fridge) with you -- followed by Toronto, then Vancouver (which don't usually require you to have your own appliances). All three cities have managable transit systems in the event you want to reduce costs by living outside of the downtown core. Having said that, I have a junior one bedroom apartment in a building which they upgraded before I moved in, which has A/C, a big balcony -- and the bldg has a small pool, party room, laundry room and a small gym. I'm paying $1022/month (utilities are included), and I'm about 2 blocks from the village.

    As for food, all three cities have easily accessable farmer's markets and ethnic microcosms (ie. Chinatown, Little Italy) where you can find produce and often protein (meat, fish, poultry, even tofu) at very reasonable prices.

    3) All three cities have good gyms -- in fact, depending on the building you move in to, it might have a gym of it's own in it. It just depends on what your criteria are for a "good" gym, although I'm sure that this wouldn't be the deciding factor in choosing a city :-)

    4) Toronto is the most poly-cultural, but I'm not sure what order to put Montreal or Vancouver. Montreal of course has the French flair to it, but if you want to live there long-term, you need to become fluent in order to increase your prospects professionally and personally. Unfortunately, Quebec has developed a reputation for being not only anti-Anglophone (even if the person is bilingual), but also blantantly racist/xenophobic. Of course, this is a broad generalization, as it doesn't apply to everyone in the province, and you'd find it much less so in Montreal than other parts of the province but it is something you should be aware of. As well, when I was in Vancouver, I ran into several Vancouverites who had a hate-on (both passively and aggressively) for any part of the country east of the Rockies. Then again, there are Torontonians who think their city is the centre of the universe, so I suppose it all balances out.

    5) Once you decide on a city, then you can ask fellow RealJock-ers for advice as to what part of the city would best suit your needs!

    6) I would say Montreal has the "coolest" gay clubs, as the city really doesn't impede any hedonistic tendencies. However, it all depends on what you're looking for in a club, and how much time you're honestly going to spend in one. For instance, Vancouver is the best of all three cities for outdoor sports (you're even a short drive to Whistler for skiing if you want!), and is the most laid-back in attitude of the three.; Toronto has a great theatre/live performance scene, as well as great restaurants, great museums (the ROM, the AGO), an amusement park (Canada's Wonderland), and the Toronto Zoo; Montreal has great food, a great jazz festival AND the Just For Laughs comedy festival (among others), interesting architecture, and just a different "vibe" in general to the o

    Check out these websites for additional info:

    www.montreal.com

    www.toronto.com

    www.vancouver.com

    These are all tourist sites, but they will have basic information about the respective cities and what each has to offer.

    Let us know what you choose!
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    Jun 12, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
    reppaT saidYou lucky bastard.



    HAHAHAHAHA THIS MAKE ME LAUGH SO BAD!!!! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    WELL IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS LIKE ALMOST 2 YEARS....KNOW FINALLY HAPPENS SO IF THATS LUCK....I DONT WANNA KNOW BAD LUCK....

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    Jun 12, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
    I WANNA MOVE TO CANADA SO BAAAADDDD!!!!!!!! Montreal though, its still a 3 hour drive from my family.. . . .
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    Jun 12, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
    WELL GUYS ... AS I MENTIONED before i havenĀ“t decide yet between

    Toronto or Vancouver

    but all this expensive stuff about vancouver is freaking me out...

    but the thing that would define everything....is going to be the best place to work at

    HOW CAN I LOOK FOR WORK ON THE INTERNET.... CAN YOU RECOMMEND SOME CANADIAN SITES TO LOOK UP??



    I MUST THANK EVERY AND EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS....YOU ARE MAKING THINGS FOR ME ALIL EASIER


    BLESSES AND INFINITE LOVE.... PLEASE KEEP POSTING!!!

    THANKS!

    ALEXANDER

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    Jun 12, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
    if you move to Toronto, 4 hour drive or train ride to Montreal.

    Vancouver
    great people, great diving if you like a dry suit, love the coast, oh yea a little thing called whistler not to far. A lot of rain, definitely not LA

    Toronto
    winter for two months, lots of clubs, gyms, very diverse city, cheaper than Vancouver

    Montreal
    a lot of people speak English and you will pick up the language if you are there for a year, but if you need a job maybe more difficult. The best clubs in Canada and less expensive than Toronto, but when winter hits, you better like snow, fantastic skiing just north of the city.


    Good luck and enjoy
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    Jun 12, 2010 11:21 PM GMT
    WEINBENDER saidbut the thing that would define everything....is going to be the best place to work at

    HOW CAN I LOOK FOR WORK ON THE INTERNET.... CAN YOU RECOMMEND SOME CANADIAN SITES TO LOOK UP??


    Since Toronto is a much bigger city than Vancouver, the job market is bigger...but of course, there are more people, too.

    The federal government has a job bank website, though it doesn't seem to be well-used...but there are a few jobs for students/youth listed. http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/

    There's a ton of job ads on craigslist under the "jobs" heading:
    http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/
    http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/

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    Jun 12, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
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    MeOhMy said

    Here it is simplified for Americans.

    Vancouver = Los Angeles
    Toronto = New York
    Montreal = New Orleans (pre-Katrina).

    Hope that helps.


    I have been to Toronto many times and it's a great city, Freinds say the same thing about Montreal as well

    Is Vancouver really like L.A.? because I HATED L.A... I had in the past heard great things about Vancouver and planned on checking it out someday but would be completly bummed if that was the case.

    Well I can see what MOM means about Vancouver and LA. They are similar in that both have lots of people with money who don't know what to do with it. Neither really seem like they have an economy based on anything besides nice weather and beautiful beaches etc...
    The city lay out however is very different. Vancouver is fairly dense while LA is super spread out. I like Vancouver more than LA for sure.