NY School Crowns Gay Couple Prom King and Queen

  • metta

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    Jun 10, 2010 5:41 PM GMT
    NY School Crowns Gay Couple Prom King and Queen

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/09/ny-school-crowns-gay-couple-prom-king-queen/
  • metta

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    Jun 10, 2010 7:38 PM GMT
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    http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/news/national-news/1615-gay-friends-voted-prom-king-and-queen.html


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    Jun 10, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    Why could there not be two kings? why did there have to be a queen, I find that insulting somehow. It would be like at a gay wedding people expecting to see one of the guys in a wedding dress. When that guy turns 40 do you think he will still be proude about that?
  • Delivis

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    Jun 10, 2010 9:15 PM GMT
    Yeah that confused me too. Shouldnt it be two kings? I suppose they are just continuing the tradition of there being a prom king and queen, but that would be like every gay marriage having both a wife and a husband.

    But anyhow, if the biggest problem we end up having is what to labels to put on people, I think we'll be just fine.
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    Jun 10, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
    I agree that it should have been "king and king."
    However, considering the anti-gay proms that took place earlier this year, I'm just proud that NY took the plunge and not only accepted gays, but welcomed them with open arms...and equal opportunities for awards.
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    Jun 10, 2010 9:18 PM GMT
    Pattison saidWhen that guy turns 40 do you think he will still be proude about that?


    I bet he will look back on the fantastic memory and remark about how funny the whole thing is. So yes, I bet he will be proud, I would.
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    Jun 10, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    Pattison saidWhy could there not be two kings? why did there have to be a queen, I find that insulting somehow. It would be like at a gay wedding people expecting to see one of the guys in a wedding dress. When that guy turns 40 do you think he will still be proude about that?


    Well SOMEONE has to be the bottom.
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    Jun 10, 2010 9:38 PM GMT
    Not sure about this. A gay student being voted the Prom King is wonderful, I fully support that, as I do gay & lesbian couples being allowed to attend openly. I question the Queen part, though.

    In public schools with both male & female students, part of the rationale behind a King & Queen is that both the boys and the girls have equal participation. The boys can compete to be King, the girls to be Queen.

    The King & Queen are seldom already a couple, they just perform a joint ceremonial role at the prom, and often have their own dates. So because the King was gay, it did not require his gay friend to be his Queen. Any girl, straight or lesbian, could have been the Queen.

    I just kinda wonder if it was unfair that no girl got chosen for anything. Even though the students voted for this themselves, who knows what group dynamics were at work. The school administrators could have simply ruled that the King could only be any male student, and the Queen any female student, and still not have discriminated against gays or lesbians in my view.
  • Delivis

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    Jun 10, 2010 9:51 PM GMT
    Wilton saidNot sure about this. A gay student being voted the Prom King is wonderful, I fully support that, as I do gay & lesbian couples being allowed to attend openly. I question the Queen part, though.

    In public schools with both male & female students, part of the rationale behind a King & Queen is that both the boys and the girls have equal participation. The boys can compete to be King, the girls to be Queen.

    The King & Queen are seldom already a couple, they just perform a joint ceremonial role at the prom, and often have their own dates. So because the King was gay, it did not require his gay friend to be his Queen. Any girl, straight or lesbian, could have been the Queen.

    I just kinda wonder if it was unfair that no girl got chosen for anything. Even though the students voted for this themselves, who knows what group dynamics were at work. The school administrators could have simply ruled that the King could only be any male student, and the Queen any female student, and still not discriminated against gays or lesbians in my view.


    It is perfectly fair, as long as two girls can also be chosen.
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    Jun 10, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    Delivis saidIt is perfectly fair, as long as two girls can also be chosen.

    I was anticipating that scenario as a reply here. And should the 2 females winners also be designated as King & Queen, despite the obvious gender disconnect these terms mean? What if they are both straight? The convenient situation in this instance is that both these boys are gay, so I guess it's OK that one can be called a Queen? And then what happens to the boys who might have wanted a chance at being King?

    I feel this is one time when having a "set-aside" or a quota if you wish is acceptable. The boys get a guarantee that one of them will be selected to be the Prom King, gay or straight, and the girls know one of their number can be the Queen, lesbian or straight.
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    Jun 10, 2010 10:09 PM GMT
    metta8 saidhudson.jpg

    http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/news/national-news/1615-gay-friends-voted-prom-king-and-queen.html


    http://www.hudsonpride.com/2010/06/gay-best-friends-crowned-hudson-high.html


    Great Photo!!

    Woo Hoo!!!!
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    Jun 10, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
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    Pattison saidWhy could there not be two kings? why did there have to be a queen, I find that insulting somehow. It would be like at a gay wedding people expecting to see one of the guys in a wedding dress. When that guy turns 40 do you think he will still be proude about that?


    Well SOMEONE has to be the bottom.


    FTW
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    Jun 10, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
    The reason there was a King and Queen was because at their school they had to run for Homecoming King and Queen. The "queen" voluntarily ran for the office against other girls. It was his choice and not a slam.
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    Jun 10, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
    Pattison saidWhy could there not be two kings? why did there have to be a queen, I find that insulting somehow. It would be like at a gay wedding people expecting to see one of the guys in a wedding dress. When that guy turns 40 do you think he will still be proude about that?




    they both got it and it was a milestone at that school i bet. there has to be one of each at these things.
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    Jun 10, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
    should have been 2 Queens
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    Jun 11, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
    jduckj saidshould have been 2 Queens


    Hahahaha. I'm glad someone went there.
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    Jun 11, 2010 3:35 AM GMT
    It would never happen where I teach, and that has nothing to do with homophobia. The queen is female, the king is male. Since the school is half male and half female, I think this makes sense.

    I also have yet to see a case where the king and queen are an actual couple.

    I wonder what the motivation here was? Were some people trying to pat themselves on the back for how progressive they are? Were some kids looking for attention? I'm not impressed at all.
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    Jun 11, 2010 11:22 AM GMT
    Dakota_gent saidIt would never happen where I teach, and that has nothing to do with homophobia. The queen is female, the king is male. Since the school is half male and half female, I think this makes sense.

    I also have yet to see a case where the king and queen are an actual couple.

    I wonder what the motivation here was? Were some people trying to pat themselves on the back for how progressive they are? Were some kids looking for attention? I'm not impressed at all.


    It's a political statement. I applaud the students and the board for making this happen, and with a virtually unanimous vote by the students.
  • BardBear

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    Jun 11, 2010 11:23 AM GMT
    Wait, the media is more then willing to post all the aggravations of Proms across the south, but this didn't register a blip on their radar.

    Still, it's wonderful, frankly.
  • Razzmaniac

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    Jun 11, 2010 11:33 AM GMT
    Ya it was great. . all the talk up here. . and yes i agree, why couldnt they have done 2 kings. . this "queen" crown just fills the stereotype
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Jun 11, 2010 11:55 AM GMT
    This thread might be sucking the uplifting aspect out of this story in favor of nitpicking. Just saying.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 11, 2010 12:51 PM GMT
    Glad this kind of change in attitude is reality, no matter if it was "two kings" "two queens" or "king and queen".
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    Jun 11, 2010 1:02 PM GMT
    jlly_rnchr saidThis thread might be sucking the uplifting aspect out of this story in favor of nitpicking. Just saying.

    Most of us are discussing the fundamental issues surrounding having 2 boys as the Prom King & Queen; that's not nitpicking. Now nitpicking would be to note that the Queen's collar & tie are loose, and that the King's tie is too long for him, and may even be a pre-tied, since that knot is nearly impossible. But I don't wanna nitpick, since these days most boys that age may never have worn a tie before at all, or very seldom, even gay ones. Just saying.
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    Jun 11, 2010 1:05 PM GMT
    That's AWESOME!!!
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    Jun 11, 2010 1:17 PM GMT
    An amazing lesbian friend of mine won her schools Prom Queen award her senior year... 7 years ago. She also attended with her girlfriend.