Should the US provide [more] aid to the Palestinian Authority?

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    Jun 13, 2010 5:22 AM GMT
    Southbeach originally posted a topic, but he's already threatening to delete it so even those inclined to discuss the matter may not bother.

    The Obama administration has promised $400 million.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/world/middleeast/10prexy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
    "While we work with our partners in the Palestinian Authority, Israel, Egypt, and the international community to put such a strategy in place, these projects represent a down payment on the United Statesā€™ commitment to Palestinians in Gaza, who deserve a better life and expanded opportunities, and the chance to take part in building a viable, independent state of Palestine, together with those who live in the West Bank,ā€ the White House said in a statement.


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    Jun 13, 2010 5:25 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidThe money is intended to be used by Mahmoud Abbas to promote a federal arrangement between the Hamas-led Gaza and Fatah-led west bank. The idea is that this might moderate Hamas or at least open Gaza back up to more moderate influences. It's absolutely clear that peace talks are not going to go anywhere while the Palestinian side is so divided.

    I doubt it will work, but it is manifest that the isolation of Gaza has been an almost unmitigated disaster.

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    Jun 13, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said400 millions is not enough for Palestinians, especially Palestinians in Gaza. Our U.S. government need to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine or any foreign countries

    So are you saying more or less should be given to the Palestinian Authority?

    Maybe we shouldn't give aid to places that regularly burn the American flag?

    One of the things we learned last week was that Gaza receives more international aid than Haiti - which was just devastated by an earthquake and which has 6x as many people. Why does Gaza need so much aid? It's not like it's ending up in private Swiss bank accounts (like it did in the mid-to-late 1990s), right?

    I fear there is a deeper "attitude" problem. Previously funds went to develop the Erez Industrial Zone - since closed because it was the frequent target of Arab terrorists. Likewise much was done to secure hothouses for Gaza... only to have them destroyed by rioting mobs.

    On May 22nd The Economist reported (p. 49):
    The PA recently gave the 25,000-odd Palestinians who work in them [Jewish villages] until the end of the year to give up their jobs or face up to five years in jail.

    So now they'll need aid for 25,000 more familiies...?!
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    Jun 13, 2010 8:24 AM GMT
    Oh, I thought you were talking about more aid for Pennsylvania (PA).
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    Jun 13, 2010 8:31 AM GMT
    Maybe the US government should start by not giving $5billion a year in arms to Israel.
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    Jun 13, 2010 8:35 AM GMT
    yes, they really should. however, the money should be monitored better than they have done in the past with countries such as afghanistan. however, it would be nice to see new schools, hospitals and the like being built so that palistinians can sustain themselves and help remove hamas.
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    Jun 13, 2010 12:56 PM GMT
    Absolutely, Pennsylvania could use the cash.
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    Jun 13, 2010 1:07 PM GMT
    no its spent on rockets and bombs!
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    Jun 13, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    dashdashdash saidMaybe the US government should start by not giving $5billion a year in arms to Israel.

    It doesn't.

    Care to try and address the topic rather than just vent your anti-Israel bile?
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    Jun 14, 2010 7:26 PM GMT
    Yes the US should provide more aid to the Palestinian people because they are being violently oppressed in their own homelands by the brutal, bloodthirsty Israeli military. It is high time that the US Government stop being such a blind, pro-Israel sycophant and face the harsh reality that the Jewish Nation of Israel is nothing more than a terrorist country on the exact same level as Iran, Libya, and North Korea.
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    Jun 14, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
    Spoken like someone who hates Israel more than he actually cares for the Arabs of Palestine.

    Which is perhaps why roadbikerob neglected to address the problems resulting from the Iran-backed Hamas terrorists attacking projects such as the Erez Industrial zone and watching as mobs destroyed the famed hothouses that previously made Gaza an exporter of prized fruits and vegetables.

    Likewise there is no comment about the PA law that would require Arabs working in Jewish villages to quit their jobs or face 5 years in prison. This impacts about 25,000 workers. With half the population 14 and under, with most women not working outside of the house, and with the average family approaching 10 people... contemplate how many families/people would be impacted by this PA law. Perhaps 10% of the population?!
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    Jun 14, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    Southbeach> Who is it that constantly twists and misrepresents sources in this way and misconstrues kangaroo court accusations as "proof"?

    True, we get a lot of that from sxydrkhair (who has been caught vandalizing Wikipedia entries and then quoting them).


    So, SB, what do you think about the Economist's recent report that 25,000 workers in the "West Bank" face 5-years of jail time if they don't quit their jobs in Jewish villages by the end of the year?

    Should the US provide additional assistance to support the roughly 200,000 people who would be directly impacted by this?
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    Jun 15, 2010 1:52 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidYes the US should provide more aid to the Palestinian people because they are being violently oppressed in their own homelands by the brutal, bloodthirsty Israeli military. It is high time that the US Government stop being such a blind, pro-Israel sycophant and face the harsh reality that the Jewish Nation of Israel is nothing more than a terrorist country on the exact same level as Iran, Libya, and North Korea.



    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You so funny.
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    Jun 15, 2010 2:46 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidYes the US should provide more aid to the Palestinian people because they are being violently oppressed in their own homelands by the brutal, bloodthirsty Israeli military. It is high time that the US Government stop being such a blind, pro-Israel sycophant and face the harsh reality that the Jewish Nation of Israel is nothing more than a terrorist country on the exact same level as Iran, Libya, and North Korea.
    Caesarea4 saidSpoken like someone who hates Israel more than he actually cares for the Arabs of Palestine.[...]


    I think it was Golda Meir who said peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews.
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    Jun 15, 2010 6:22 AM GMT
    Again, the US doesn't give Israel $5 billion in arms and/or annual aid.
    Yet another lie-for-the cause?!


    Buddyinnyc> it was Golda Meir who said peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews.

    sxydrkhair> Which come first? Your Children or Strangers?

    Whooosh! The sound of another point going over Samxr's head.
    Why would anyone hate "strangers" more than they love their children?!


    Come on, samxr, can't you defend your previous statement?

    sxydrkhair> 400 millions is not enough for Palestinians, especially Palestinians in Gaza. Our U.S. government need to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine or any foreign countries

    So are you saying more or less should be given to the Palestinian Authority?
    Or are you so confused that you were arguing against yourself?



    On May 22nd The Economist reported (p. 49):
    The PA recently gave the 25,000-odd Palestinians who work in them [Jewish villages] until the end of the year to give up their jobs or face up to five years in jail.

    So now they'll need aid for 25,000 more familiies...?! That's perhaps as many as 250,000 people.
    Tell us, samxr, do you think this PA law is a good idea?


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    Jun 15, 2010 6:28 AM GMT
    If the rest of the world allegedly hates the USA so much, maybe we should just stop giving any country any money. See what they think of us then.
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    Jun 15, 2010 8:55 AM GMT
    Yes, people should not suffer and if we can aid them then we should.
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    Jun 15, 2010 4:51 PM GMT
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    Israel is getting BILLIONNNNSS every year from dumb US taxpayers. 400 million is pennies. the difference is we like to keep it under wraps.

    soon the world will be giving BILLIONS to Israel as well (look at UK taxed at 50%).

    again world is just jealous because we are the CHOSEN people and we're smart enough to get what we want. icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 16, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair> 400 millions is not enough for Palestinians, especially Palestinians in Gaza. Our U.S. government need to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine or any foreign countries

    So are you saying more or less should be given to the Palestinian Authority?
    Or are you so confused that you were arguing against yourself?


    sxydrkair> If U.S. want to give money to Israel, then U.S. should give the same amount to Palestinians like what they give Israel. If U.S. only want to give Israel, and a little bit money for Palestinian people. It won't be fair for Palestinians. Then I say stop giving money both people Israelis and Palestinians.

    So the Saudis and UAE need to give Israel the same amount of aid as they give the PA, too... else it's not fair?
    Are you talking about matters of state or handing out chocolate to school-children at recess?

    The US already gives more aid to Arabs than to Israel. So to be "fair" the US needs to give more aid to Israel and less to the PA?

    Israel is a much better investment. Unlike some Arab countries, it hasn't defaulted on loans. It has provided invaluable intelligence information (fully functioning MiG aircraft, tanks, etc). Israel also shares common values with the US - it votes with the US at the UN nearly 3x as often as Iraq, Egypt and Jordan... combined! Then there's the scientific and technical collaboration, etc.


    The Economist> The PA recently gave the 25,000-odd Palestinians who work in them [Jewish villages] until the end of the year to give up their jobs or face up to five years in jail.

    So now they'll need aid for 25,000 more familiies...?! That's perhaps as many as 250,000 people.
    Tell us, samxr, do you think this PA law is a good idea?


    sxydrkhair> Israel bulldoze a Palestinian home, then tell the Palestinian that if he builds a settlement over his home he can buy his family food

    That's a myth. As we've seen in previous topics, the Jewish villages in the territories are built on lands that are owned by Jews. This is an iteration of the same lie used between the world wars, as if the population is a zero sum game. As if for every Jew entering, an Arab was forced out. Except that the population over the century grew from about half a million to 10 million. The Arab population grew fastest in areas of Jewish devlopment - drawn by better paying jobs (sound familiar?) and the associated quality of life improvements.


    sxydrkhair> yes the PA law is a good idea.

    Who will feed these hundreds of thousands of people, people who are his brethren?
    Samxr doesn't care. They can go hungry and then he'll ab/use their suffering (which he caused) to further demonize Israel.
    Like the guy who murders his parents and requests leniency because hs is an orphan.

    All of which, again, demonstrates that Samxr hates Israel more than he loves his own people.


    sxydrkhair> I don't agree with Israel's blockade in Gaza

    Of course you don't.
    What do Egypt and the Palestinian Authority (both support the blockade) know that you don't...?


    sxydrkhair> Time Running Out For A Two-State Solution

    This is the same intransigence of the past 62 years. Certain Arabs reject a solution based on compromise and peaceful coexistence and perpetrate violence, terrorism and war (thinking they will win and get everything, double rather than nothing). When things get worse and they end up with less than they had before they opted for violence, they become indignant, play the victim and refuse current compromises on the table demanding instead the offer from the status quo ante (which is suddently good enough - but it's too late, primarily due to their actions).

    Hope your Jordanian papers are in order, because when the two-state solution sunsets, the option on the table won't be your delusions but either a unilateral Israeli withdrawal (have fun living under Hamas; most Arab Christians have already fled Gaza for the "West Bank", soon your relatives will be joining you in Arizona, assuming they can do so with the new immigration law), or Israel will reach an agreement with Jordan (which is the previous sovereign power).
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    Jun 16, 2010 1:29 AM GMT
    Yes, most DEFINATELY! There should be more aid given to Palestine, and not just in the form of money, but moral and educational support. I lived in Israel for two years and had first hand experiences with how the Palestenian people are treated. There is TONS of hate for people who are simply of Palestenian decent and every Palestenian is considered a potential threat to the country regardless of their contributions to society. I have several Jewish friends, and several Palestenian friends. Many of the younger Israeli Jews agree that the country of Israel treats Palestenians as second class citizens and is unfair with everything from education to Jobs. Women regardless of their education cannot serve as Israeli citizens higher than secreterial jobs. The sad truth is that there are many radicals within the Jewish communithy that absolutely have hate in their hearts and believe that Israel belongs only to them at every and any expense. They forget that there are Christian Palestenians, Muslim Palestenians, and even Jewish Palestenians..but they only see Palestenian in their eyes and treat them as scum and potential terrorists. Isreal wines a lot about how it must do what it does to protect itself...well then my question is WHEN is the end to all of this paranoia...WHEN do you behave as a human and treat as a human your fellow creation of GOD. It is never appropriate to simply bulldoze someones house because you feel justified that your religion does says it belongs to you. Wouldn't the same argument be valid when a Muslim decides to kill if you don't convert..that is to use religion to mask your hate. I have seen children get killed for being Palestenian..hospitals "accidently" bombed. There is alwats the disgusting political excuse and ramble of words by the Israeli government when these injustices take place. They hide behind very carefully picked words and are afraid to admit that they are committing atrocities beyond belief. Anyone with logic and a solid heart which has not been tarred by wretched politics can pick out those mindless and boneless wrecks that represent the Israeli government. Isreal is NOT a democracy..it is a Theocracy..using religion as the basis for its exisence. Its religious symbol of all things is the star of David which is in fact thier flag...not equally democratic in my opinion to fly that symbol when in fact you have many other religions within your border. The nation is simply afraid to admit to what it is as the potential for foreign nations to question is support. However, I have seen opinions in this great country of the USA that show people have begun to see both sides of the issue and no longer see Isreal as a defensless child but now as a bullying predator. I love Isreal for the Holy history it contains pan-ethnic and multi-religious. I love its beatiful landscapes and soulful nature that reminds me of the human spirit ot continue..where my Jesus walks and My GOD sent his son. It is sad to see this holy land trying to be ripped of what it represents and masked over by greed, spite, hate, and lies.

    So my answer is yes...when one people is oppressed then we should help.
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    Jun 16, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    hah yeh maybe they can get something besides ROCKS vs our ARTILLERY (thanks to kind US taxpaerys loll)..

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    seriously ummm do they think rocks will hurt our tanks?? icon_rolleyes.gif uhmmm 21st century lolol
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    Jun 16, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    As we've seen in previous topics, the Jewish villages in the territories are built on lands that are owned by Jews. This is an iteration of the same lie used between the world wars, as if the population is a zero sum game. As if for every Jew entering, an Arab was forced out. Except that the population over the century grew from about half a million to 10 million. The Arab population grew fastest in areas of Jewish devlopment - drawn by better paying jobs (sound familiar?) and the associated quality of life improvements."

    sxydrkhair> New Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories are illegal.

    There are no "new" Jewish villages in areas which Israel has ceded to the Palestinian Authority. Stop assuming that every inch conquered by Trans-Jordan when it invaded in 1948 has magically transformed into the "Palestinian territories" when Israel successfully defended itself in 1967 and liberated these territories. What ends up as the "Palestinian territories" is a matter best settled by negotiation.


    sxydrkhair> Can the Palestinians [Arab] refugees return

    No, there is no such thing as the so-called "right of return".
    Just as ethnic Germans can't return to the Sudetenland - but Czechs did.

    What you don't seem to realize is that conditions are different when you start a war and lose and when you are attacked and win.

    You seem to want an "insurance policy" for Arab aggressors. As if it is fine for them to violently reject peaceful coexistence and start a war (calling for a "momentous massacre" and to "throw the Jews into the sea). When they lose that war, you think they can say "oh, never mind, let's go with the status quo ante". Sorry, aggressors (including Germany and Japan after WW II) lost territory as a consequence of their failed aggression.

    That your leaders have chosen even more aggression as a remedy, and failed, only dug you into a deeper hole. What your generation chooses to do is up to you. You've been thrown a rope, yet you appear insistent on burning it and digging yourself into a deeper hole. Just stop pretending to be the victim (of anything but your own poor choices and failed policies) when in 3 or 5 or 10 years you find yourself in an even deeper hole.
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    Jun 16, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    I think we should remove all aid to both sides and let them sort it all out.


    It's not a very popular position, I have found
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    Jun 16, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair> I don't agree with Israel's blockade in Gaza

    Of course you don't.
    What do Egypt and the Palestinian Authority (both support the blockade) know that you don't...?


    sxydrkair> If U.S. want to give money to Israel, then U.S. should give the same amount to Palestinians like what they give Israel. If U.S. only want to give Israel, and a little bit money for Palestinian people. It won't be fair for Palestinians. Then I say stop giving money both people Israelis and Palestinians.

    So the Saudis and UAE need to give Israel the same amount of aid as they give the PA, too... else it's not fair?
    Are you talking about matters of state or handing out chocolate to school-children at recess?

    The US already gives more aid to Arabs than to Israel.
    So to be "fair" the US needs to give more aid to Israel and less to the PA?

    Israel is a much better investment. Unlike some Arab countries, it hasn't defaulted on loans. It has provided invaluable intelligence information (fully functioning MiG aircraft, tanks, etc). Israel also shares common values with the US - it votes with the US at the UN nearly 3x as often as Iraq, Egypt and Jordan... combined! Then there's the scientific and technical collaboration, etc.


    sxydrkhair> [silence]


    The Economist> The PA recently gave the 25,000-odd Palestinians who work in them [Jewish villages] until the end of the year to give up their jobs or face up to five years in jail.

    So now they'll need aid for 25,000 more familiies...?! That's perhaps as many as 250,000 people.
    And Samxr says this is a good thing?!

    Who will feed these hundreds of thousands of people, people who are his brethren?
    Samxr doesn't care. They can go hungry and then he'll ab/use their suffering (which he caused) to further demonize Israel.

    All of which, again, demonstrates that Samxr hates Israel more than he loves his own people - who he is willing to sacrifice for the cause.

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    Jun 16, 2010 2:55 AM GMT
    Southbeach, everyone already knows you are a fool.
    You have nothing further to prove.