Sheriff Jo (In Arizona) will deport all illegals if he could....

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    Jun 14, 2010 1:23 AM GMT
    I guess this is what everyone's up set about??? LITERALLY!!!


    http://www.azfamily.com/outbound-feeds/yahoo-news/Sheriffs-deputies-raid-to-Phoenix-Sizzler-locations-for-identity-theft-suspects-96227544.html
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    Jun 14, 2010 3:10 AM GMT
    I heard they'll leave Arizona for another states
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    Jun 14, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    wow...out of 23 suspects only 9 were apprehended. i bet the other 14 felt like welcomed citizens. no racial profiling going on here folks. i wonder....does the governor jan brewer go around carrying her proof of citizenship?

    granted the remaining 14 probably weren't there at the time of the raid, but it will be interesting to see how many of the 9 actually ended up being there "illegally".

    i thought the law said they were only supposed to go after people if they were suspected of doing some other crime. guess not. (granted i have not fully read the law so feel free to politely disagree).
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    Jun 14, 2010 3:59 AM GMT
    HTownRunner saidwow...out of 23 suspects only 9 were apprehended. i bet the other 14 felt like welcomed citizens. no racial profiling going on here folks. i wonder....does the governor jan brewer go around carrying her proof of citizenship?

    granted the remaining 14 probably weren't there at the time of the raid, but it will be interesting to see how many of the 9 actually ended up being there "illegally".

    i thought the law said they were only supposed to go after people if they were suspected of doing some other crime. guess not. (granted i have not fully read the law so feel free to politely disagree).

    No. Law enforcement raids companies suspected of having illegal employees all over the US.
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    Jun 14, 2010 4:57 AM GMT
    I've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:01 AM GMT
    sdgman saidI've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.


    Not the first time either.

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    Jun 14, 2010 5:08 AM GMT
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    sdgman saidI've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.


    Not the first time either.



    Yep! I hope they'll catch more identity thieves.


    Yep I myself don't see what all the fuss is about>

    The way I look at it, AZ is protecting the rest of America. I myself am all for immigration into my country so long as it's legal and they have all their paper work in order.
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:14 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    sxydrkhair said
    tomk7 said
    sdgman saidI've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.


    Not the first time either.



    Yep! I hope they'll catch more identity thieves.


    Yep I myself don't see what all the fuss is about>

    The way I look at it, AZ is protecting the rest of America. I myself am all for immigration into my country so long as it's legal and they have all their paper work in order.


    As it should be. We as a nation have a right to control who comes into our country.

    It's just too bad that the Federal Governments response to the flood of illegal immigration in AZ has been so anemic. It's been going on for years uncontrolled and ignored.
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:16 AM GMT
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    tomk7 said
    sdgman saidI've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.


    Not the first time either.



    Yep! I hope they'll catch more identity thieves.


    Many do use SS numbers that HAVE not been issued to THEM and that's one of the problems....

    I am just pointing out some facts here since even Chicago and San Francisco's City Governments now want to ordinance a petition to BOYCOTT AZ. Now that's not right. Should I boycott them now and not go there like I planned??

    My business depends on the corporate dollar so I am not pleased with city's who want to hurt Arizona....I am not overtly political, but other cities get the fuck out of our business and manage your OWN CORRUPTION!!!
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:20 AM GMT
    sdgman said
    Pattison said
    sxydrkhair said
    tomk7 said
    sdgman saidI've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.


    Not the first time either.



    Yep! I hope they'll catch more identity thieves.


    Yep I myself don't see what all the fuss is about>

    The way I look at it, AZ is protecting the rest of America. I myself am all for immigration into my country so long as it's legal and they have all their paper work in order.


    As it should be. We as a nation have a right to control who comes into our country.

    It's just too bad that the Federal Governments response to the flood of illegal immigration in AZ has been so anemic. It's been going on for years uncontrolled and ignored.


    I have said the same in the past with all the illegal immigrants trying to get here by boats. We have a right to protect our country, and decide who comes here, not them.
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:28 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    sdgman said
    Pattison said
    sxydrkhair said
    tomk7 said
    sdgman saidI've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.


    Not the first time either.



    Yep! I hope they'll catch more identity thieves.


    Yep I myself don't see what all the fuss is about>

    The way I look at it, AZ is protecting the rest of America. I myself am all for immigration into my country so long as it's legal and they have all their paper work in order.


    As it should be. We as a nation have a right to control who comes into our country.

    It's just too bad that the Federal Governments response to the flood of illegal immigration in AZ has been so anemic. It's been going on for years uncontrolled and ignored.


    I have said the same in the past with all the illegal immigrants trying to get here by boats. We have a right to protect our country, and decide who comes here, not them.


    The problem is.. the people are protesting the new law, without addressing the problem that instigated the law in the first place. It's anarchy down there on the border and nobody says anything... other than blaming the border patrol when a van load of 30 illegals slams head-on into a schoolbus, or a rock throwing smuggler gets shot.
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:36 AM GMT
    sdgman said
    Pattison said
    sdgman said
    Pattison said
    sxydrkhair said
    tomk7 said
    sdgman saidI've never heard of the Sheriff's Dept. doing this sort of thing... it should have been ICE. I guess they were investigating the identity theft.


    Not the first time either.



    Yep! I hope they'll catch more identity thieves.


    Yep I myself don't see what all the fuss is about>

    The way I look at it, AZ is protecting the rest of America. I myself am all for immigration into my country so long as it's legal and they have all their paper work in order.


    As it should be. We as a nation have a right to control who comes into our country.

    It's just too bad that the Federal Governments response to the flood of illegal immigration in AZ has been so anemic. It's been going on for years uncontrolled and ignored.


    I have said the same in the past with all the illegal immigrants trying to get here by boats. We have a right to protect our country, and decide who comes here, not them.


    The problem is.. the people are protesting the new law, without addressing the problem that instigated the law in the first place. It's anarchy down there on the border and nobody says anything... other than blaming the border patrol when a van load of 30 illegals slams head-on into a schoolbus, or a rock throwing smuggler gets shot.



    The US GOVERNMENT is to BLAME!~
    It's been a mess for years.
    I am a 4th Generation Native

    I seen it ALL!!


    My Ancestors immigrated here before it was a state and they locked it down......Not the same anymore
  • vintovka

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    Jun 14, 2010 5:41 AM GMT
    1. If an illegal alien is simply using the social security number of an actual citizen, the money is then held by the social security administration in a 'mismatch' fund, so this is actually a net revenue benefit for the feds.

    2. Our economy relies on the cheap labour of illegal aliens to give us cheap produce. Does anyone want to pay $12 for a head of lettuce?

    3. Recent waves of immigration have largely been fueled by NAFTA and economic restructuring in Mexico, which brought free-market discipline to formerly state-subsidized industries and US competition to the agricultural sector. The leadership of the US pushed for this in an effort to increase free trade across the Americas and to open Mexico to US businesses. Part of the understanding at the time was that this would result in a period of economic hardship and unemployment in Mexico and increased pressure for immigration--this was considered part of the trade off for promoting free trade (look in the congressional records and hearings on NAFTA).

    4. While this (item 3) is a lose/lose proposition for both US and Mexican workers it presented a windfall to corporations and their stockholders, so Yeah for them!

    5. It is a little ironic that many who decry illegal immigration applaud the practice of union busting and act as cheerleaders for a completely free market. NEWSFLASH: the object of a free market HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HAVE A WORLDWIDE FREE MARKET, so the real game is to make workers here compete with workers there. That can be done by allowing illegals into the country, but much more commonly it's done by moving the factories there. Eventually, they would like to move importation there, which would break the back of the longshoreman's union. (Goods could be offloaded in Mexico and trucked north).

    6. the idea that everyone will apply for citizenship legally is great, but there is only one consulate in Mexico where such an application can be filed and the fee (last time I looked) was around $500 US. Approval is not guaranteed and can take over a decade. If the people we are talking about are young and poor, is it realistic to think
    a. that they have the money?
    b. that they are willing to wager it?
    c.that they can afford to wait?
    When we are talking about people who have been uprooted from their communities by economic factors it is unlikely that such a process is a real option for them. This doesn't make the law any less valid, the law is the law, but it's a little naive to suggest that it's a real option for many of the people in question.

    OK, I'm done. haha.
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:51 AM GMT
    vintovka said1. If an illegal alien is simply using the social security number of an actual citizen, the money is then held by the social security administration in a 'mismatch' fund, so this is actually a net revenue benefit for the feds.

    2. Our economy relies on the cheap labour of illegal aliens to give us cheap produce. Does anyone want to pay $12 for a head of lettuce?

    3. Recent waves of immigration have largely been fueled by NAFTA and economic restructuring in Mexico, which brought free-market discipline to formerly state-subsidized industries and US competition to the agricultural sector. The leadership of the US pushed for this in an effort to increase free trade across the Americas and to open Mexico to US businesses. Part of the understanding at the time was that this would result in a period of economic hardship and unemployment in Mexico and increased pressure for immigration--this was considered part of the trade off for promoting free trade (look in the congressional records and hearings on NAFTA).

    4. While this (item 3) is a lose/lose proposition for both US and Mexican workers it presented a windfall to corporations and their stockholders, so Yeah for them!

    5. It is a little ironic that many who decry illegal immigration applaud the practice of union busting and act as cheerleaders for a completely free market. NEWSFLASH: the object of a free market HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HAVE A WORLDWIDE FREE MARKET, so the real game is to make workers here compete with workers there. That can be done by allowing illegals into the country, but much more commonly it's done by moving the factories there. Eventually, they would like to move importation there, which would break the back of the longshoreman's union. (Goods could be offloaded in Mexico and trucked north).

    6. the idea that everyone will apply for citizenship legally is great, but there is only one consulate in Mexico where such an application can be filed and the fee (last time I looked) was around $500 US. Approval is not guaranteed and can take over a decade. If the people we are talking about are young and poor, is it realistic to think
    a. that they have the money?
    b. that they are willing to wager it?
    c.that they can afford to wait?
    When we are talking about people who have been uprooted from their communities by economic factors it is unlikely that such a process is a real option for them. This doesn't make the law any less valid, the law is the law, but it's a little naive to suggest that it's a real option for many of the people in question.

    OK, I'm done. haha.


    The SS is not the only issue. They take jobs and use up way to many services.
    Get out if your illegal.....

    Now, if my great grandfather had to wait in line at 9 years old (Tired, hungry and on Ellis Island for 3 days and all alone....so)...everyone can wait and get due process. I am all for organized issuance....Get out and get back in line
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    Jun 14, 2010 5:58 AM GMT
    vintovka said1. If an illegal alien is simply using the social security number of an actual citizen, the money is then held by the social security administration in a 'mismatch' fund, so this is actually a net revenue benefit for the feds.

    2. Our economy relies on the cheap labour of illegal aliens to give us cheap produce. Does anyone want to pay $12 for a head of lettuce?

    3. Recent waves of immigration have largely been fueled by NAFTA and economic restructuring in Mexico, which brought free-market discipline to formerly state-subsidized industries and US competition to the agricultural sector. The leadership of the US pushed for this in an effort to increase free trade across the Americas and to open Mexico to US businesses. Part of the understanding at the time was that this would result in a period of economic hardship and unemployment in Mexico and increased pressure for immigration--this was considered part of the trade off for promoting free trade (look in the congressional records and hearings on NAFTA).

    4. While this (item 3) is a lose/lose proposition for both US and Mexican workers it presented a windfall to corporations and their stockholders, so Yeah for them!

    5. It is a little ironic that many who decry illegal immigration applaud the practice of union busting and act as cheerleaders for a completely free market. NEWSFLASH: the object of a free market HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HAVE A WORLDWIDE FREE MARKET, so the real game is to make workers here compete with workers there. That can be done by allowing illegals into the country, but much more commonly it's done by moving the factories there. Eventually, they would like to move importation there, which would break the back of the longshoreman's union. (Goods could be offloaded in Mexico and trucked north).

    6. the idea that everyone will apply for citizenship legally is great, but there is only one consulate in Mexico where such an application can be filed and the fee (last time I looked) was around $500 US. Approval is not guaranteed and can take over a decade. If the people we are talking about are young and poor, is it realistic to think
    a. that they have the money?
    b. that they are willing to wager it?
    c.that they can afford to wait?
    When we are talking about people who have been uprooted from their communities by economic factors it is unlikely that such a process is a real option for them. This doesn't make the law any less valid, the law is the law, but it's a little naive to suggest that it's a real option for many of the people in question.

    OK, I'm done. haha.


    oh please, one consulate in Mexico? There is a consulate in every large city. The U.S. let's more Mexican citizens immigrate than any other country, and allows more people to legally immigrate than the rest of the world combined. We are and continue to be a nation of immigrants with an extremely liberal immigration policy.

    Farm laborers earn .05 per head of lettuce they pick. You could double their salary and only increase the price of a head of lettuce by 5 fucking cents. Labor does not drive produce prices... it's the middleman

    Illegal immigration predated NAFTA. While I agree, NAFTA has done nothing but line the pockets of bigwig corporations, it is not the cause of illegal immigration.

    While I admit, addressing the causes of illegal immigration will go more towards solving the problem, you can't ignore the affects.

    I'm sure the people of AZ would be willing to pay more for a carwash to have their relative or friend back who was killed by an illegal alien.
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    Jun 14, 2010 6:07 AM GMT
    If you're from AZ then you know Joe Aripaio loves to say inflammatory things that get him press attention. Everything he does is based on what trends well with conservative voters. If you look at interviews he did 5-10 years back, his views on immigration were totally different. Claimed he'd never go after non-criminals, or people that weren't causing trouble.

    The thing both sides are missing is that this is about police corruption. Aripaio bends many, many laws and has many government officials in his pocket. When people try to take him on, he uses his forces very vindictively. For example. A Mesa city official tipped off protesters before one of his raids, so the Sheriff had the Mesa city buildings raided without Mesa city or police notice. Even more concerning, he had the DA press charges against a judge for finding against him in a trial. I believe this law is just one more way he's working the government to give himself more power and more financial resources.
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    Jun 14, 2010 6:11 AM GMT
    slowcore saidIf you're from AZ then you know Joe Aripaio loves to say inflammatory things that get him press attention. Everything he does is based on what trends well with conservative voters. If you look at interviews he did 5-10 years back, his views on immigration were totally different. Claimed he'd never go after non-criminals, or people that weren't causing trouble.

    The thing both sides are missing is that this is about police corruption. Aripaio bends many, many laws and has many government officials in his pocket. When people try to take him on, he uses his forces very vindictively. For example. A Mesa city official tipped off protesters before one of his raids, so the Sheriff had the Mesa city buildings raided without Mesa city or police notice. Even more concerning, he had the DA press charges against a judge for finding against him in a trial. I believe this law is just one more way he's working the government to give himself more power and more financial resources.


    I've only seen him on TV and he is an attention whore. I don't believe he or his department had a part in crafting this law. if a city official tipped off the target of a police raid then they SHOULD have been investigated and hopefully prosecuted. If they went after a judge for finding against them then I can't condone that. Isn't about 200 and ready to die yet?
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    Jun 14, 2010 6:12 AM GMT
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    vintovka saidThe SS is not the only issue. They take jobs and use up way to many services.
    Get out if your illegal.....

    Now, if my great grandfather had to wait in line at 9 years old (Tired, hungry and on Ellis Island for 3 days and all alone....so)...everyone can wait and get due process. I am all for organized issuance....Get out and get back in line


    So your ancestors, like mine, were poor and arrived here without any well thought out plan, then figured it out and made it work once they got here. (Ellis island is in NJ--and before anyone gets smart it IS in NJ, according to a recent court case).
    The line our ancestors got into was IN the US.

    I'm not saying that illegal immigration is a good thing, but current pressures for immigration are connected to a much bigger picture. If we really want to end immigration we will oppose allowing US companies to export agricultural products to Mexico and efforts to keep Mexico from artificially supporting employment through state subsidies. If we're not willing to do that, then yelling "illegals out" will have as much effect as trying to hold back the sea.





  • tbeaux

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    Jun 14, 2010 6:23 AM GMT
    First) The illegal Aliens taking jobs from people...Americans would never do the jobs that they do. And if you heard otherwise that'd be complete bull. Don't kid yourselves, the mexicans do their shit quick and cheap.

    Second) Who'sever comment about their grandfather waiting in line at Ellis Island..Immigration was not that difficult back then. All they had to do was pass a lice test and a couple disease tests and they were in.

    Third) America needs to take off the quote from statue of liberty, "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Because apparently we don't really want those people here.


    Make immigration a little bit easier for people or just get better border patrol and states would not need these type of harsh laws....It's almost like nazism, having to carry identification if you are hispanic. I honestly would not mind carrying my identification if EVERYONE had to carry theirs, equality..isn't that what America should be about. Racial profiling, Arizona needs to be sued.
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    Jun 14, 2010 6:33 AM GMT
    tbakes18 saidFirst) The illegal Aliens taking jobs from people...Americans would never do the jobs that they do. And if you heard otherwise that'd be complete bull. Don't kid yourselves, the mexicans do their shit quick and cheap.

    Second) Who'sever comment about their grandfather waiting in line at Ellis Island..Immigration was not that difficult back then. All they had to do was pass a lice test and a couple disease tests and they were in.

    Third) America needs to take off the quote from statue of liberty, "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Because apparently we don't really want those people here.


    Make immigration a little bit easier for people or just get better border patrol and states would not need these type of harsh laws....It's almost like nazism, having to carry identification if you are hispanic. I honestly would not mind carrying my identification if EVERYONE had to carry theirs, equality..isn't that what America should be about. Racial profiling, Arizona needs to be sued.


    Dude, what the hell are you talking about? There is nothing in the law requiring hispanics to do anything different than anyone else.

    Here's reality... illegal aliens can't get a driver's license, or have to commit fraud to get one. When a cop stops an illegal alien for a traffic violation, and they can't produce a driver's license. or speak english.. alarms start to go off. In AZ, that means you are probably 99% likely to be an illegal alien. this law just directs the officer to act on this. It's reality, NOT racism. We don't live in Nivana.
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    Jun 14, 2010 7:06 AM GMT
    I get that, if a cop stops them for a traffic violation and what not, great, but the reality is that most cops are racial profiling. Let's not be naive to what is really happening or what will happen. Not all cops will do this, but a good chunk will.
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    Jun 14, 2010 7:20 AM GMT
    Hey,

    Over the years it's become VERY problematic. I didn't say anything for a wile on this and I have family in Mexico too. I am part Mexican so I can say it and I am not a raciest. My Grandma was born there and so...I got it down pat...... here in my land.

    Watch the video...we can get by with out a hug influx of illegals. They can let some in at a time...not a bazillion!!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 14, 2010 7:16 PM GMT
    The idea that Arizona is protecting the rest of our country is stupid, idiotic bullshit. Arizona is just inflating its hateful, ultra conservative ego over the flood of illegal immigrants many who have come into this country in search of a better and more prosperous life. Many have also come here to flee the drug violence south of the border as well. Arizona has absolutely no constitutional jurisdiction over immigration policy therefore it is wrong for Arizona to enact such a draconian and possibly unconstitutional anti-immigration law into its books. If Arizona wants to be all high and mighty than probably it is time to rescind its statehood and than kick it out of the union if it does not want to respect the constitutional separation of powers between the states and the federal government. I am sick and damned tired of all you naive fools defending Arizona's wrongful action against illegal immigrants and defending that state's crooked and brutal law enforcement officers especially that fierce fascist Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County. The people of Maricopa County should be stripped of their right to elect their county sheriff because of their horendously blind support of Joe Arpaio. Instead the Maricopa County Sheriff will be appointed by state and federal officials.