I don't get it.

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    Jun 14, 2010 6:18 PM GMT
    I'm a pacifist, I resolve issues peacefully, and the only times I have ever resorted to violence were either in self defense or in the defense of someone unable to defend themselves.

    But I'm getting fed up with the hate, I went to pride on Sunday, and I got so fed up with the haters. Then there's the article with the marines who beat the guy unconscious for "winking" at them. And then there's the countless stories of hater standing out side of bars with bats and bricks waiting for gays to come out, and our society to an extent allows it.

    It barely gets mentioned int he news half the time, yet these people have the nerve to call us "violent militant fascist gays".


    Am I missing something?


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    Jun 15, 2010 6:14 AM GMT
    remember ghandi:

    "first they ignore you.
    then they ridicule you.
    then they fight you.
    then you win."

    of course, malcolm x had some good words of wisdom too:

    "Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery."

    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it."

    "Nonviolence is fine as long as it works."

    you might also note that women's lib makes the ridiculous assertion that females are human beings. this is already difficult enough for some people to grasp, so asking them to acknowledge that queer theory makes the same claim about lgbtqi people is even more difficult.

    "to deny you are oppressed is to aid in your oppression."
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    Jun 15, 2010 6:18 AM GMT
    And then there's the countless stories of hater standing out side of bars with bats and bricks waiting for gays to come out,

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    How is this even posible? is there no police around? won't bouncers call the cops if they saw people like that?
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    Jun 15, 2010 6:29 AM GMT
    Guess I'll pass on vacationing in Philly icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 15, 2010 7:10 AM GMT
    stuckinlalaland saidAnd then there's the countless stories of hater standing out side of bars with bats and bricks waiting for gays to come out,

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    How is this even posible? is there no police around? won't bouncers call the cops if they saw people like that?
    I take it you've never been in that situation. The fight is usually over before the cops get there. Especially after I already slammed the dude on the ground and left him with a severely bleeding skull.
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    Jun 15, 2010 7:11 AM GMT
    To answer the OP, take self defense classes, and don't be afraid to use the skills. Our freedoms were not won by being passive and nice - they were won by killing people.
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    Jun 15, 2010 5:29 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidTo answer the OP, take self defense classes, and don't be afraid to use the skills. Our freedoms were not won by being passive and nice - they were won by killing people.



    LOL, I said I was a pacifist, I never said I couldn't defend myselficon_wink.gif. I have been doing martial arts since I was a kid and have been doing Muay Thai kickboxing for the past year.

    That was acutally my whole reason for non-violence, because I could easily end a conflict with violence, but that's not really always the best choice.
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    Jun 15, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidGuess I'll pass on vacationing in Philly icon_eek.gif



    LOL, sorry to paint such a bleak picture but I didn't mean for this to be taken as this all happens in Philly, I was more or less pulling from stories around the country.

    Philly has a nice little gayborhood, but to be honest pretty much all of center city and the art museum area is pretty gay friendly. You can hold hands, kiss, walk your dog, and not really run into all of the ignorance of other places.

    North Philly and areas of South Philly however...well lets just say its best not to wear the rainbow glowsticks from the clubs.
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    Jun 15, 2010 5:33 PM GMT
    stuckinlalaland saidAnd then there's the countless stories of hater standing out side of bars with bats and bricks waiting for gays to come out,

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    How is this even posible? is there no police around? won't bouncers call the cops if they saw people like that?


    They are never RIGHT outside the door, they are in the area waiting for the clubs to let out, and wait for guys to start heading home.
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    Jun 15, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
    Most of Europe would be speaking German had the United States not stood up for them. Sometimes, you stand up and say this isn't right.
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    Jun 15, 2010 5:43 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidremember ghandi:

    "first they ignore you.
    then they ridicule you.
    then they fight you.
    then you win."

    of course, malcolm x had some good words of wisdom too:

    "Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery."

    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it."

    "Nonviolence is fine as long as it works."

    you might also note that women's lib makes the ridiculous assertion that females are human beings. this is already difficult enough for some people to grasp, so asking them to acknowledge that queer theory makes the same claim about lgbtqi people is even more difficult.

    "to deny you are oppressed is to aid in your oppression."


    Despite what a lot of people say I acutally really liked Malcolm X, sure he was a little extreme in the beginning, but he seemed realistic in his views, sure nonviolence is great and if it works its awesome, but you cannot be afraid to defend yourselves and those you love.

    Gandhi is another one of my favorites.

    But that last quote is pure genius! I need to remember then when my gay conservative friends say gays are not oppressed (In their defense they are business majors and I am Sociology).
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    Jun 15, 2010 5:48 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidMost of Europe would be speaking German had the United States not stood up for them. Sometimes, you stand up and say this isn't right.



    Um...ok....that is a little hazy...I mean while it is true, you have to remember that Hitlers arrogance had a lot to do with it...just saying...

    Also...America pretty much stayed out of the whole thing until pearl harbor...it was less of doing "whats right" and more of "Oh no the fuck those hentai loving pansies din'nt!"