Is it just me or do you think these "Congressional Hearings" overall are a joke?

  • silverfox

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    Jun 18, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    I mean, whomever is in hot water (this time BP) gets dragged to the "lynching party" in Washington D.C., where all these politicians basically "grandstand" for the TV cameras in an attempt to show their constituents back home how wonderful they are as whistle blowers.

    And then the lynch-iee (this time BP) basically says over and over that "they cannot answer" or "they cannot recollect" blah blah blah.


    Trust me, I am not saying that BP should not be 100% accountable but REALLY! What does it accomplish?

    Talk to me.
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    Jun 18, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    do you really think DC watches over large companies or is it the other way around.
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    Jun 19, 2010 7:29 PM GMT
    Have any of you noticed that since all this happened, that Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and Cheney, who are all big oil people that got Halliburton handjobs for the last decade or so, have said nothing since this happened? I mean, it doesn't change anything as far as BP's responsibility is concerned, but hey, these are the pigs who presided over Congress and opened the door for this kind of ruthlessness and recklessness which has culminated in a tragedy.

    Why aren't they saying anything? Where's THEIR accountability to Congress?
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    Jun 19, 2010 7:36 PM GMT
    Huge joke.

    I watched a bit of it, and I couldn't help but think how many of these politicians (both parties), received money from BP. I think about all of the dishonest, self serving things they do that constantly screw over the American people. Would be cool to see American citizens give all of those clowns a hearing.
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    Jun 19, 2010 7:38 PM GMT
    Part of the circus is a feeble attempt to deflect attention away from the Government's response.
  • CSPYNY

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    Jun 19, 2010 7:52 PM GMT
    It's the Government trying to look like they are doing a lot, are harda-- and are there for the American people. 0bama is afraid he's going to come out of this and the financial crisis looking like Bush after Katrina. Shouldn't the government regulators have been able to avoid such a thing?
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    Jun 19, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
    It's as if everyone in congress and BP have this general understanding not to care about the issue as if they are one big family. Yet they can't ignore the painfully obvious scar this is leaving like a hurricane Katrina. So they act like they care about it in a pathetic attempt to mollify the American community. But, like hurricane Katrina, they are lagging in an efficient solution. Between the Bush and Obama administration I don't see a difference.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Jun 19, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    Yes... I agree with you. Subcommittee/committee hearings are largely political theater - they typically are not meant to be informative in nature. The only hearings that I have found to be informative are the confirmation hearings for Secretary of State nominees (and subsequent testimonies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee).

    Secretaries of State usually have the easiest time when compared and contrasted to hearings for Supreme Court nominees, and more recently, the Gulf oil spill hearings. I knew when Hayward (and others) showed up... they would not be saying anything substantive. It was a show... and Hayward was the piƱata icon_mad.gif
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    Jun 19, 2010 9:49 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidPart of the circus is a feeble attempt to deflect attention away from the Government's response.


    HAHAHAH YES!

    It's like saying, "Hey you guys Hitler is killing the Jews. Let's stand around and talk about it while he kills more."

    Except here Hitler is replaced with BP oil and Jews is replaced with the ecosystem in the Gulf and probably hundreds of species lubed up (in a bad way).
  • cowboyathlete

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    Jun 19, 2010 9:54 PM GMT
    I am glad to see others agree with me. I really don't recall anything changing after Congressional hearings.
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    Yes overall a complete joke b/c the companie heads will never disclose too much due to liability and frankly 90% of the gov't freaks interrogating the execs tend to be just as much at fault and more than likely have ZERO experience in this business sector of the private business.

    Its a joke.....right now BP is a joke along with the administration's response to this oil nightmare. I dont understand why we had to wait 2 months for this hearing and why it took BO this long to actually talk to BP Executives...........the oil is already on our damn beaches so what is the point.
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:07 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    cspyny saidShouldn't the government regulators have been able to avoid such a thing?

    Yep, it was their responsibility to conduct inspections according to a schedule derived from their own regulations. They skipped many of those scheduled inspections of the Deepwater Horizon rig.

    And... it is also the responsibility of Congress to provide oversight... which they haven't done either.


    This is coming from the same pig who bewails how much power the President has over a corporation now...
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    cspyny saidShouldn't the government regulators have been able to avoid such a thing?

    Yep, it was their responsibility to conduct inspections according to a schedule derived from their own regulations. They skipped many of those scheduled inspections of the Deepwater Horizon rig.

    And... it is also the responsibility of Congress to provide oversight... which they haven't done either.


    This is coming from the same pig who bewails how much power the President has over a corporation now...



    This is where it gets sticky. Often times the govt cant correctly administer regulations over the private sector. That is the problem here and not so much "no regulation". Common sense regulation is key but not to the point of effecting economic viability. Its a big juggling act b/c you want to limit fraud and misconduct but without jobs there is no point to anything. How can we trust further big govt regulations when they cant even respond to a oil spill correctly and with effective results? Generally speaking the private sector is much more effective in creating jobs and limiting fraud than the govt. Just look at SS, MASSIVE fraud in Medicare, MASSIVE fraud and poorly run books with Fannie and Freddie,etc. Bigger govt
    is not the answer and the bigger the govt grows the more 9.7% unemployment/trillion dollar annual deficits and 13 trillion total deficit we will be seeing. Wanting to grow this current govt doesnt make sense unless you want to take this country down the road to socialism.
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:36 PM GMT
    PAstud21 saidThis is where it gets sticky. Often times the govt cant correctly administer regulations over the private sector. That is the problem here and not so much "no regulation". Common sense regulation is key but not to the point of effecting economic viability. Its a big juggling act b/c you want to limit fraud and misconduct but without jobs there is no point to anything. How can we trust further big govt regulations when they cant even respond to a oil spill correctly and with effective results? Generally speaking the private sector is much more effective in creating jobs and limiting fraud than the govt. Just look at SS, MASSIVE fraud in Medicare, MASSIVE fraud and poorly run books with Fannie and Freddie,etc. Bigger govt
    is not the answer and the bigger the govt grows the more 9.7% unemployment/trillion dollar annual deficits and 13 trillion total deficit we will be seeing. Wanting to grow this current govt doesnt make sense unless you want to take this country down the road to socialism.


    I agree it's sticky, but limited government involvement in this case has resulted in the destruction of a region's capacity to contribute to the overall economy of the U.S., right? Moreover, while this is not (to the best of my knowledge) affected other nations that share the Gulf of Mexico with us, it will eventually, and that will undoubtedly affect the global economy... which only comes back to bite the US on the ass even harder, right?

    You know what they say about one wink link in the chain...
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
    There needs to be someone appointed to punch a congressperson in the throat every time they start talking about themselves rather than the issue at hand. During the auto bailout sessions, they (both parties) all had to talk about what cars they owned, what their parents owned, what color it was and blah blah blah. I don't want you to waste 5 seconds let alone 5 minutes running your mouth about you, you stupid motherfuckers.
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    It is something that I watch because it effects the markets.
    You are correct, and half of the time the people doing the grilling don't even know what they are talking about.
    My favorite was when the volume of the markets were so light they nearly paused when Tiger Woods was apologizing (although that was not in front of the Senate Finance Committee or Congress) but I could not agree with you more, it is an opportunity to those who are concerned about making their constiutents think that they are looking out for their interests, and if you ask me politicians are the biggest scumbags of them all!!!
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:50 PM GMT
    jduckj saiddo you really think DC watches over large companies or is it the other way around.


    Could not have said it better !
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:50 PM GMT
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    PAstud21 saidThis is where it gets sticky. Often times the govt cant correctly administer regulations over the private sector. That is the problem here and not so much "no regulation". Common sense regulation is key but not to the point of effecting economic viability. Its a big juggling act b/c you want to limit fraud and misconduct but without jobs there is no point to anything. How can we trust further big govt regulations when they cant even respond to a oil spill correctly and with effective results? Generally speaking the private sector is much more effective in creating jobs and limiting fraud than the govt. Just look at SS, MASSIVE fraud in Medicare, MASSIVE fraud and poorly run books with Fannie and Freddie,etc. Bigger govt
    is not the answer and the bigger the govt grows the more 9.7% unemployment/trillion dollar annual deficits and 13 trillion total deficit we will be seeing. Wanting to grow this current govt doesnt make sense unless you want to take this country down the road to socialism.


    I agree it's sticky, but limited government involvement in this case has resulted in the destruction of a region's capacity to contribute to the overall economy of the U.S., right? Moreover, while this is not (to the best of my knowledge) affected other nations that share the Gulf of Mexico with us, it will eventually, and that will undoubtedly affect the global economy... which only comes back to bite the US on the ass even harder, right?

    You know what they say about one wink link in the chain...

    It was government involvement that restricted safer drilling in shallower waters that led to the more risky deep water drilling.
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
    It's a public display so the lawmakers can act like they are doing something.
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    Jun 19, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    JakeBenson saidIt's as if everyone in congress and BP have this general understanding not to care about the issue as if they are one big family. Yet they can't ignore the painfully obvious scar this is leaving like a hurricane Katrina. So they act like they care about it in a pathetic attempt to mollify the American community. But, like hurricane Katrina, they are lagging in an efficient solution. Between the Bush and Obama administration I don't see a difference.


    I agree and hopefully 3rd time is a charm come 2012.
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    Jun 19, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
  • Webster666

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    Jun 19, 2010 11:04 PM GMT
    They're a joke.
    In front of the cameras, the Congress members pretend to be outraged.
    Then, they head back to their offices where lobbyists from Big OIl, Wall Street, etc. are waiting to hand over the envelopes of cash that will ensure that the Congress members do nothing.
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    Jun 19, 2010 11:11 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    socalfitness saidIt was government involvement that restricted safer drilling in shallower waters that led to the more risky deep water drilling.

    Word to the wise.... you make too much sense.... They will eat you alive on here if you keep posting things like this.




    Two wrongs don't make a right.
    Whether drilling in deep or shallow water, safety was not the issue.
    How is it safer to drill in shallower water ?
    Legislation to restrict drilling in shallow waters was enacted to reduce the chances that an oil leak would pollute the coastline with oil.
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    Jun 19, 2010 11:13 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidIt was government involvement that restricted safer drilling in shallower waters that led to the more risky deep water drilling.
    So what you're saying is that if the water had been shallower this wouldn't have happened?
    Is that what you're really saying? 'Cuz that may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard if it is.


    southbeach1500 saidWord to the wise.... you make too much sense.... They will eat you alive on here if you keep posting things like this.
    Word to the pig-headded... you make too much noise.... that's why they're making a football outta your skin.
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    Jun 19, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    socalfitness saidIt was government involvement that restricted safer drilling in shallower waters that led to the more risky deep water drilling.

    Word to the wise.... you make too much sense.... They will eat you alive on here if you keep posting things like this.

    HAHAHA But there are a few of us in this and other threads that make a lot of sense. Notice when you keep them on topic, and call them out for bringing up irrelevant things they either attack or get real quiet.