Is this really a cure to AIDS or just a hoax?

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    Jun 19, 2010 12:35 PM GMT
    So after hearing a conspiracy theory, I rolled my eyes and did some research just to figure out the validity of it. I didn't find anything conclusive that "the government created AIDS on purpose to kill people" (which was this theory I heard), but I did find enough evidence to make me question if there's a real cure for AIDS out there and if so why it's not being used.

    I will give you directions to look at this and please tell me if you think this is a hoax, illogical, or just suspicion. I don't want to give a link because I read some regulations stating they'll get suspicious or something if I provide a link lol. At first glance, it appears to be a claimed cure on a government site, which makes me wonder...well, is it true?

    1.
    Go to http://www.uspto.gov/
    This is a legitimate government site, right?

    2.
    On the top navigational bar, click on "Patents" (it's in between "About USPTO" and "Trademarks.")

    3.
    Under the Frequently used online tools and information" tab half way down in the middle you'll see two rows and three columns of 6 rectangular tabs. Click on "Search Patents" which is on the top row in the middle. Another window will pop up.

    4.
    Click on "Quick Search"

    5.
    Type in " 08/658,955 " in then "Term 1" box and hit search.

    This will take you to a page that starts like this:

    "United States Patent 5,676,977
    Antelman October 14, 1997
    Method of curing AIDS with tetrasilver tetroxide molecular crystal devices

    Abstract
    The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans. A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function."




    What do you think about this?
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    Jun 19, 2010 1:05 PM GMT
    Tetrasil (or Imusil) is a substance containing tetrasilver tetroxide. A patent held by Dr. Marvin S. Antelman claims that this simple chemical compound cures AIDS by electrocuting HIV. Dr. Antelman admits his approach to AIDS is non-conventional and he does not trust viral load tests: Accordingly we have patients who display viral load reduction and those that do not who are nevertheless cured of AIDS, he has said. Tetrasilver tetroxide is more commonly used for disinfecting swimming pools. After it was promoted as an AIDS cure in Zambia the government banned Tetrasil because it has no proven benefits for people living with HIV. In America it is illegal to promote Tetrasil for the treatment or prevention of any disease.


    If you want to read more about AIDS cure hoaxes, here is the link to the site that I copied the above comment from.


    http://www.avert.org/cure-for-aids.htm


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    Jun 19, 2010 1:07 PM GMT
    It is easy to file a patent for arbitrary crazy ideas. Many people, including crackpots, file patents that they think might plausibly work. Most of these patents are nonsense, but they are hoping that if someone ever makes money from a similar idea, they can sue them and get a settlement. There are people who make a living this way. There are some crazy patents out there.

    The fact that the government records a patent does not mean that it endorses them.
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    Jun 19, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
    Oh lawdy.icon_lol.gif
  • calibro

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    Jun 19, 2010 5:01 PM GMT
    you can patent ideas regardless of if they actually do anything in reality
  • Sk8Tex

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    Jun 19, 2010 7:26 PM GMT
    Thought you were gonna say something totally different. If you want an interesting read, look up the CCR5 gene mutation from the black plague which appears in about 1 out of every 1000 eurpoeans and americans. Only reason I know of this mutation...? I was tested for it at SDSU after being referred by NIH in Bethesda, MD due to many years of exposure to the virus without contracting it. (Thats another drama filled story for later)

    Anywho there was a story a few years back on a german patient with AIDS who had received a bone marrow transplant from a patient that had the CCR5 gene mutation (or I should say lack of a CCR5 receptor, what the HIV/AIDS virus locks onto and uses to access your cells before it can infect them.) Shortly there after it was discovered the virus had disappeared from his body. Sadly though it is NOT being considered as a viable treatment for HIV/AIDS patients because the procedure has a high mortality rate.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7726118.stm
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    Jun 19, 2010 8:25 PM GMT
    SanDiegoNewbie saidThought you were gonna say something totally different. If you want an interesting read, look up the CCR5 gene mutation from the black plague which appears in about 1 out of every 1000 eurpoeans and americans. Only reason I know of this mutation...? I was tested for it at SDSU after being referred by NIH in Bethesda, MD due to many years of exposure to the virus without contracting it. (Thats another drama filled story for later)


    Yes, if you have two copies of this gene, you are in fact immune to HIV.

    I actually had myself tested for this some time ago, based on my ancestry, on the off chance that I was so lucky (it would have been so nice not to have to worry, as we all do...).

    Turns out I am in the 10% of Caucasians who have a single copy of this gene. Unfortunately, this is not enough to make me immune, but at least it provides a significant deal of resistance to progression to AIDS if, god forbid, I were to get infected,
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    Jun 19, 2010 9:36 PM GMT
    I would love to get the ccr5 test done just to see, not that i need to with a bf and all, but its not particularly practical as a kid right out of college with no health insurance. The mutation was the first thing to really offer anything in a long time... if they could find a bpa-like substance that attaches and blocks or changes those receptors, we'd basically have a vaccine without having to find a way to kill a virus we can't consistently map...
  • cowboyathlete

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    Jun 19, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidIt is easy to file a patent for arbitrary crazy ideas. Many people, including crackpots, file patents that they think might plausibly work. Most of these patents are nonsense, but they are hoping that if someone ever makes money from a similar idea, they can sue them and get a settlement. There are people who make a living this way. There are some crazy patents out there.

    The fact that the government records a patent does not mean that it endorses them.
    Well said on all counts.
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    Jun 19, 2010 9:52 PM GMT
    Thanks for the information guys! =)
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    Jun 19, 2010 9:58 PM GMT
    To this day I still refuse to get vaccinated because of all these conspiracy theories.
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    Jun 20, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
    A1EX saidTo this day I still refuse to get vaccinated because of all these conspiracy theories.

    Now I know I cannot hold your hand in public. Probably get smallpox from you.
  • Delivis

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    Jun 20, 2010 12:34 AM GMT
    A1EX saidTo this day I still refuse to get vaccinated because of all these conspiracy theories.


    Don't neglect something so important over the ravings of lunatics.
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    Jun 20, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    It's not like I- wait... why would we even be holding hands in public?

    I meant flu shots but that doesn't sound nearly as dramatic.
    I've been vaccinated, against my will, when I was a child.
  • cowboyathlete

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    Jun 20, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    A1EX saidTo this day I still refuse to get vaccinated because of all these conspiracy theories.

    Now I know I cannot hold your hand in public. Probably get smallpox from you.
    lol
  • CSPYNY

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    Jun 20, 2010 1:50 AM GMT
    If you found a cure to AIDS, Cancer, etc you'd have a mysterious accident immediately.
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    Jun 20, 2010 6:51 AM GMT
    cspyny saidIf you found a cure to AIDS, Cancer, etc you'd have a mysterious accident immediately.
    If I found a cure for any of those I'd secretly copy it across multiple servers, buy up 100's of domain names, and forward them all to the primary server that hosts a site with all the data. The main site would have no index/home page so it would show up as non-existent, with nothing but a 404 error page. Nobody would ever know I had the cure until it's been copied across enough servers that it would takes years for the govt to find them all. It would also be handwritten with 1000's of hard copies generated on several different copy machines, and privately sent to people all over the world to hold on to it and make even more copies, creating a never-ending chain of continuous copies being made.

    Then they're free to help me have a "mysterious accident" because that would only validate my cure, seeing as the possibility of an accident - if the cure is valid - would be listed in the preface to the cure.
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    Sep 12, 2010 6:55 PM GMT
    I thought they found a cure by using anti-virals.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=broad-spectrum-anti-viral

    I think they're just doing more tests to make sure it only damages viruses and not actual human cells.

    But I hope it doesn't take too much time, and I hope it actually works, because that would be amazing.
  • Space_Cowboy_...

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    Sep 12, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    ...... How did you find this?
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    Sep 12, 2010 7:05 PM GMT
    Somebody needs a basic college level biology course here...I won't say who does.icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jan 30, 2011 7:12 AM GMT
    I would say yes. The same with Cancer. They keep it a secret because if they didnt, the people involed in the field wouldnt have a job. So they "milk" it along with treatments and Meds to make it look like there is no cure. Its all a "money thing" .