Body Fat Help :)

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    Jun 02, 2007 9:04 PM GMT

    What should i do for maximum fat burning.
    I dont want to bulk up or anything along that line at all. i like my figure as it is, hell if i had a choice i would love to get rid of some mucsle.

    But i need some advice on what to eat, what excersise to do.

    Also, My sister had taken diet pills for some time and they worked fabulously for her and she doesnt take them anymore but she has ALOT left so i was wondering what the opinion on Zantrex-3 .
    If you took it , did it work for you ?
    And if you did take it How fast did you see progress.

    Thanks Guys.
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    Jun 02, 2007 9:08 PM GMT

    Also do not be afraid to inform me about the strictest diet you know. Im a very dedicated person. When i tell myself to do something i do it .
    Hell i havent had pop or fast food in a year and half
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    Jun 03, 2007 1:25 AM GMT
    I'm sorry, WHAT are you trying to lose?

    What's your BF % ? Your pictures don't look like you need to lose anything...or really have anything to lose.

    My thoughts are that whatever you've done seems to be working.
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    Jun 03, 2007 1:55 AM GMT
    Biomatty is right, where is the fat on your body!
    Certainly not a case for Zantrex, no way!
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    Jun 03, 2007 4:33 AM GMT
    im confused. are you anorexic?
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    Jun 03, 2007 8:10 AM GMT
    in reply to all those who say im fat-deficient. I do have fat around my thighs and little love handles. Yes i do know that im skinny and my upper body is very nice But I just need some advice on what i asked for.
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    Jun 03, 2007 3:32 PM GMT
    I get the sudden urge to force feed you when I see your pics. No offense intended. I figure you didn't make this thread to hear my preaching (or anyone else's). But really, this site IS about getting in shape and being healthy, not about being skinny. There's a HUGE difference. So here it goes:

    The point isn't to lose weight, but to be healthy. I think if you lose anymore weight you'll probably be crossing that line into being unhealthy. You have very little to lose from what I see in those pictures (though I have never seen you in person).

    And I don't see how you can have love handles with a 28" waist. The only way I can imagine that to be possible is if you were highly overweight and lost it, leaving you with some slightly stretched skin that resembles love handles (not saying that is your case, just saying that this is the only way I can imagine it happening).

    My suggestion: eat properly, excercise properly, and your body will thank you.
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    Jun 03, 2007 5:14 PM GMT
    sam: I know the twink look is appealing to many guys, and it seems -- especially if you're saying you'd ideally like to have *less* muscle on your frame -- that's what you're going for.

    If you are hell-bent on losing more fat without gaining muscle, just eat less food. Try to eat a little something when you feel hungry so your body doesn't go into starvation mode, but cut your overall calories. Do short periods of intense aerobic exercise to help get your metabolism up. Don't increase your protein consumption and you won't put on muscle.

    That said, body fat percentage is only one of two important numbers here; the other is LBMI, the lean body mass index.

    Your LBMI is calculated as your lean body mass in kilograms divided by your height in meters, squared.

    Your lean body mass is just your weight minus the fat, so if your body fat percentage is 10% or so, your lean mass is 90% of your weight.

    lean mass (kg) / (height (m)^2)

    In your case, you say you're 150lbs and 5'9". I'm a little surprised you'd weigh 150lbs, since you look like skin and bones, but assuming that's correct, let's say your body fat percentage is 10% or so, then you'd have a lean mass of 135lbs (150 * 90%) and you plug that all in and you get a LBMI of 19.9.

    Here's a chart of what LBMI numbers essentially map to:

    19.9 is approaching "triathlete," and you don't look like a triathlete. I'm skeptical of your numbers (specifically, I don't believe you weigh 150lbs) unless you have abnormally high bone density or massive, Lance-Armstrong-like legs that you can't see in your photos.

    Understand that the lower your LBMI is, the harder it will be to keep fat off. Many twinky boys I've seen have the fat you're talking about, and because they're so concerned with not putting on muscle, they don't eat much protein, they certainly don't lift weights, and as a result their bodies preferentially eat up the muscle tissue for energy instead of the fat.

    Josh Hillis, who has a great fitness blog, refers to this phenomenon as the "skinny fat" look -- when a person looks very thin, but at the same time doesn't look healthy. Too little muscle mass.

    Look, your body likes to keep some fat around. It's easy (relatively speaking) to lose fat down to a homeostasis of around 15% body fat or so, for most people ( 3% for genes), but getting lower than that takes a change of approach.

    One possible change of approach is to keep your lean mass up, your protein consumption up, and your calorie intake down, allowing your body to maintain the muscle tissue that uses up the energy that coaxes the body into letting go of those fat reserves.

    If you won't take that approach, frankly, the other option comes down to starvation. Your resting metabolic rate won't be very high without muscle tissue on your frame, and the less you eat, the more your body will reduce your RMR because it thinks you're on a desert island starving to death. That makes every pound of fat harder and harder to lose, it means your body will lose muscle tissue along the way, and you'll probably end up with relatively low energy levels and possibly health problems.

    I think the only way to look like a twink and be healthy is if you happen to have an insanely high metabolism. Some people do, it's just how they were born, and have to really struggle to keep muscle mass on, and that's fine.

    But since you're asking about how to lose fat, that is apparently not your situation. So yeah, you can lose that fat, but maybe consider reevaluating your ideas of what's sexy, first. No reason to end up hospitalized from starvation and an eating disorder at age 18!
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    Jun 03, 2007 5:30 PM GMT
    Some bodies just carry a little padding around the mid-section even when there's very low body fat everywhere else. In the skinniness of my youth, I always had a little padding on my tummy. And, over the last few years, despite all the fat loss and muscle gain, that bit of extra padding around my waist refuses to go away. But, it looks a hell of a lot better than the droopy innertube I used to carry around, and I'm now having to come to terms with and accept a body that will not conform to what my inner fundamentalist says it should look like.
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    Jun 04, 2007 3:23 AM GMT
    that twinky look was cute when I was 18 then you hit 21 and there is a new, better, younger, version of the twink and you grow up and realize that that look isnt very cute.

    there are always some guys who will always like twinks, but most of those prefer a twink with muscles, so it wouldnt be a horrible thing to lift some light weights get toned, and lose the fat because you lean body mass is higher.

    I did the LBMI test, I used 8% body fat, was on one of those body fat monitor scales the other day and it said 6.7% so i went high for good measure. I came up at 20.8 which is still very low and you can tell i have a lot more mass on me than you.

    there is a guy who gogo dances here in new york and from a distance he has that skinny twink look you are probably going for. he looks like he has ribling abs and no chest. I saw him up close for the first time the other day, his stomach protrudes out from his body making him look fat and his chest is concave. I want to shove big macs down his throat just to put some meat on him, you can also see the starvation in his face, your eyes will start to get a sunken look.

    sadly alot of the skinny twink look is gotten with drugs. If you dont have a naturally high metabolism that keeps you that lean and prevents muscle growth then its very hard to replicate. a lot of young guys in the club scene do alot of coke which will raise your metabolism and keep you ultra skinny but will also burn a hole in your nose and kill you.
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    Jun 04, 2007 5:41 AM GMT
    Oops, I just noticed it ate some formatting. I put in the symbols, but it was supposed to say "plus or minus 3% for genes."

    chungo - 6.7%? *jealous* ;)

    Although I did just get to 10%, the lowest I've ever been. Took me a month just to drop 2.5%. Woo hoo! Maybe I can hit 8% by July...