Standing up for HRC

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    Feb 26, 2008 2:46 AM GMT
    I am sick and tired of the trans movement bashing the Human Rights Campaign. I am totally in favor of extending hate crimes to include gender identity/expression. I am a devout ally on behalf of trans, genderqueer, and intersexual people.

    That being said I think this argument over ENDA is ridiculous and is making me lose a lot of respect for people in the movement. Since when do you argue for civil rights based on an all or nothing approach?

    Would it be awesome to have LGBT included in hate crimes? Yes.

    But to say we won't support a measure for equality for some, because someone else is left out is ridiculous. You take what you can get, and then fight for the rest.

    HRC and Barney Frank have been accused of being transphobic and that is absurd. I fully support HRC in trying to pass the LGB hate crimes act, since it has no chance with the trans community. Once we get that it is one step and we can devote resources to including trans people.

    Would we say no to civil unions because it is not marriage? NO, we would take civil unions. Then we would fight for marriage equality.

    This argument irritates me.
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    Feb 26, 2008 3:07 AM GMT
    of course you have an entirely valid point, and yet so do the "t" in lgbt... they have been some of the most tireless (and politically active) supporters of hrc, and i understand completely why this is a slap in the face to them.

    of course you take what you can and fight for the rest - doesn't mean the trans-folks shouldn't be mad that they have however many more years of struggle ahead of them.

    you're right. and so are they.
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    Feb 26, 2008 3:30 AM GMT
    I think your point is right on the "nail head" !!! while I understand those who feel left out because of the Trans. being skipped over, but as you say, they will have to accept it, and try again later. Progress down these lines is hard to come by, they should know this by the struggles of the past to get where we are now. They cut their own throats by pushing this rather than accepting what the Gov. leaders feel they can push through.
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    Feb 26, 2008 7:39 AM GMT
    Hippie, I agree entirely with what you say about gaining rights incrementally. It's slow, but unfortunately that's how things often change -- slowly. I think the problem HRC got into was that it didn't work harder at getting buy-in. It decided unilaterally. It already has a reputation as an elitist organization, so this didn't help. So, they participated in creating their own PR disaster.

    That said, I completely understand the fury of the trans movement and how they felt tossed under the bus and that HRC didn't try to push harder for trans inclusion. There are those who feel that HRC could have but didn't.
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    Feb 26, 2008 1:06 PM GMT
    Has something new happened? Unless that's so, this is moot. It was pretty clear a few months ago that the bill was not going to reach the Senate before the election.

    Also, the trans people are reacting to a feeling of betrayal by the HRC, which first said it would only support a trans-inclusive version of ENDA and then changed its mind. During the last 4 or 5 years, trans people have been extremely active in the ENDA fight.

    I hope the coalition of organizations supporting trans inclusion will spend their time educating House and Senate members instead of focusing on in-fighting with the HRC.

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    Feb 26, 2008 1:07 PM GMT
    On AmericaBlog, John Aravosis posted a response from a woman whose last name I can't recall, Robin something, who's been an LGBT activist basically forever--she was his partner in derailing Laura Schlessinger's TV show some years back.

    Anyway, Robin wrote a post saying basically that she's known some transgender people who've actually gotten married to members of the opposite sex after transitioning, and she has attended these ceremonies. None of these trans people has refused to get married as a protest against the inability of gays (their former selves) to have the same rights, so why, she asks, are we supposed to drop our support from ENDA simply because it doesn't include the transgendered?
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    Feb 27, 2008 9:31 AM GMT
    I understand the transgender's side on the issue. It's a fear of being left behind. Once HRC passes LGB hate crimes act, it's the T who will be in the spotlight. Without the support of the more culturally assimilated LGB's, they're basically screwed. Honestly, being the most extreme of sexual deviance on LGBT (with B being the most socially acceptable), they'll have a really hard time making a stand about it if they are alone.

    Why didn't the HRC try their best to include T's in the first place? I remember a Latin American Transgendered male to female who was tortured, raped and killed by a group of youngsters I think (10 - 15 years of age, I dunno). I forgot her name, but yes, they have undoubtedly been victims of hate crime and need this as much as we do... probably more so.

    However, withdrawing support is also just catty.

    I guess, all that can be done now is go ahead with what's there already. Just be sure and reassure the T's that we will support them when their time comes as well. I for one fully support them.

    I think we have transgenders here, FTM's I think. I dunno if they'd be willing to participate in this discussion though and risk disclosing their T status. Anyway, LGBT is LGBT, this thing is unfortunate but it shouldn't lead to a splintering off. We need each other to pull this through. We're already making good progress, this is no time to dissolve into faction fights.

    (P.S. It's funny to note that Iran, one of the most homophobic country you can imagine, accepts transgenders more readily than male gays)