10 bodybuilding codes to life.

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    Mar 09, 2008 6:54 AM GMT
    Great tips... except all the make-money crap! So American! There's more to life than being a consumer!
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    Mar 09, 2008 8:29 AM GMT
    Right on, that money bit is like diarrhea of the mouth!
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    Aug 31, 2009 4:55 PM GMT
    Here's a shorter and even less annoying version for the "overly sensitive" types.

    I for one think that the principles are pretty spot on:

    1. Eat in a way that supports your health goals.
    2. Eat the optimal amount, not the maximal amount, to decrease lethargy.
    3. Create goals
    4. Invest in yourself
    5. If you don't have the capital for #4, go make more.
    6. Block out the distractions and focus on what you want.
    7. Every day is day to start again and do it better than yesterday.
    8. Do the hard things and make them your routine.
    9. Surround yourself with like-minded people

    Form aside, the core messages are pretty simple and commonly espoused in most personal development books.
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:17 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    outdoorathlete said.9. Surround yourself with like-minded people

    In other words, totally remove yourself from possible exposure to anyone who might have new or different perspectives on life. Make sure no one around you can distract you from your single-minded pursuit of whatever.

    What bullshit.


    That's a pretty strong reaction jprichva. I said "like-minded" and if you are and want to continue to be, for example, a person who is 100% focused on being an Olympian athlete, or a bodybuilder, or an entrepreneur, or pretty much anything, Including "a person who has new and different perspectives on life", it is well documented in the personal dev literature going back certainly to the Napolean Hill days but also back in Greek literature as well, that the way to do that is to find people who are of like mind. You have leapt to the conclusion that that means "narrow minded and undifferentiated." That certainly wasn't my read on it, nor on how it's usually conveyed.

    I heard a great quote one day that has always resonated for me:

    "Look at the top six people you spend the most time with - be they family, friends, or work-mates. They are your future. If you don't like that future, change those people."

    I believe that principle wholeheartedly and have made it a point to find, meet, and spend time with people who are positive, athletic, community-minded, kind-hearted, entrepreneurial, and adventurous and my life is better for it. I have also made it a point to lessen my contact with people who do not fit into that mold. I think that evaluation and re-evaluation of the people in your life is a constant act of renewal. Some stay there for many, many years, and others are weeded out when I find that they don't support the future life I want to have.

    Respectfully, I think you've missed the point or misinterpreted it. Or is it that you believe that you should never critically evaluate your circle of friends and acquaintances?
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:19 PM GMT
    I think you have a wee bit too much starch in your knickers.
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:21 PM GMT
    imperator saidIf I adopt a certain 10 rules, or start a certain routine, because some bigoted, sexist, homophobic ass says it'll "make you a man," I have to look at what kind of "man" it'll make me....It all comes back to the source. Anything you take into yourself, into your mind and your body, is layered with meaning.


    Very nicely said! Unfortunately, in our society, we've been conditioned to ignore the source. In fact, the source has been OUTsourced. Out of sight, out of mind. Literally. Consider the lengthy history of corporate abuses, be they labor-related, environmental, or both, throughout the 20th century and the reactionary measures taken by everything from grass-roots groups to the government. Enter the jetset age and suddenly there's a new option: ship it somewhere else, preferably a country that doesn't care about child labor or the environment.

    As the planet approaches 7 billion people, we need to seriously question our collective path. Forgetting the anti-semitism and sexism, the rules themselves are all about more, more, MORE. Is this really what we are? Is that how we want to live? It's quite obvious that our environment is no longer able to sustain our rate of resource consumption. And we continue to add more people, faster than ever. And prize consumption above all else. Very bad move.

    There's some good advice in these rules, sure. But the author is obviously a narcissistic, materialistic, racist, sexist (and, let's be honest, probably very homophobic) douche bag who prizes things like "Money, Power, excellence" over living a mindful life.
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    Sparkycat saidI think you have a wee bit too much starch in your knickers.


    Sparky, who is "you" in the above sentence?
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
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    imperator saidIf I adopt a certain 10 rules, or start a certain routine, because some bigoted, sexist, homophobic ass says it'll "make you a man," I have to look at what kind of "man" it'll make me....It all comes back to the source. Anything you take into yourself, into your mind and your body, is layered with meaning.


    Very nicely said! Unfortunately, in our society, we've been conditioned to ignore the source. In fact, the source has been OUTsourced. Out of sight, out of mind. Literally. Consider the lengthy history of corporate abuses, be they labor-related, environmental, or both, throughout the 20th century and the reactionary measures taken by everything from grass-roots groups to the government. Enter the jetset age and suddenly there's a new option: ship it somewhere else, preferably a country that doesn't care about child labor or the environment.

    As the planet approaches 7 billion people, we need to seriously question our collective path. Forgetting the anti-semitism and sexism, the rules themselves are all about more, more, MORE. Is this really what we are? Is that how we want to live? It's quite obvious that our environment is no longer able to sustain our rate of resource consumption. And we continue to add more people, faster than ever. And prize consumption above all else. Very bad move.

    There's some good advice in these rules, sure. But the author is obviously a narcissistic, materialistic, racist, sexist (and, let's be honest, probably very homophobic) douche bag who prizes things like "Money, Power, excellence" over living a mindful life.


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    Hey Tahoe, I agree with how you graded the original author. But nothing in those nine lessons can't be applied by a person seeking LESS consumption, eat enough to operate effectively but not cause lethargy, create goals (creating a more sustainable world through spreading vegan gospel), invest in himself (attend conferences, read books, go to workshops), block out distractions (focus on what really matters to him and maybe give up some television time to work on political activism), try to be better each day in terms of alignment with his principles, do the hard things and make them routine (learn how to make healthy local raw foods), and surround himself with like-minded people for community-building.

    I don't see how any of these principles are focused only on materialistic people building unsustainable lives.
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:46 PM GMT
    outdoorathlete saidI don't see how any of these principles are focused only on materialistic people building unsustainable lives.


    I never said they were.

    I found the overall tone and examples used by the author very indicative of a thoughtless human cancer cell upon the planet, devouring whatever it can without consideration. Getting chicks and being rich and powerful? Um, really? Haven't we seen the error of our ways? What else needs to happen? How bad does it need to get? Can't we see that our value system is totally f*cked and that we need to change our way of thinking before the whole thing collapses in upon itself?

    Anyway, I was responding more to imperator's comment as I found it to be very insightful and refreshing. I'm also in complete agreement with you that these rules can be applied productively.
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    Aug 31, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
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    outdoorathlete said Respectfully, I think you've missed the point or misinterpreted it. Or is it that you believe that you should never critically evaluate your circle of friends and acquaintances?

    I do not casually add friends to my life. It takes me some time to think of people as more than acquaintances, but once I do, I don't "re-evaluate" them every so often as though I were giving performance reviews at work. If they have become friends, it is because of qualities they have that I prize.

    The idea of throwing people overboard because they don't fit some new hobby you wish to take up is----well, I'll try to be polite here---shallow and appalling.


    I think we agree more than we might think we do. I agree that it takes a while to add somebody to the "friend" category. One of my favourite lines about that is that "a good friendship takes at least 50 years to develop." :-)

    I was not talking specificaly and only about friends though. The general six person rule applies to "people you spend time with regardless of category." Some people spend 40 hours per week in a dysfunctional team or with a bad boss. That counts as a piece of "your future". So the intention is to think about who one spends their time with, regardless of how one classifies those people.

    I'm also making a distinction between "what you want your future life to be like" and "some new hobby you wish to take up." One is the primary creative driving force of your life and the other is an activity. I agree with you that dropping friends because you take on a new activity would be moronic. That was never my point. It was that if the people in your core circle don't support the life you want to live, you may want to reevaluate how much time you spend with those people. If you disagree with that, then let's just agree to disagree.
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    Aug 31, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    I have to say that these 10 codes are incredibly corny. But I get the sad feeling that there are a bunch of kids out there that have this printed out and posted on their bedroom wall. icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gificon_confused.gif
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    Aug 31, 2009 7:08 PM GMT
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    outdoorathlete said It was that if the people in your core circle don't support the life you want to live, you may want to reevaluate how much time you spend with those people. If you disagree with that, then let's just agree to disagree.

    Actually, this I agree with. If someone around you is an unrepentant homophobe, frankly I don't see wasting any time with him. If he ridicules and loathes your commitment to fitness, he's likely not going to be someone you continue to have much in common with.

    But I can't think of any reason (except maybe for extended family) why you'd have repeated contact with people who don't value your goals and interests anyway.

    We are saying the same thing, in a way. You're saying you'd start to distance yourself, and I'm saying they'd never have made it into my "inner circle" to begin with. I guess it amounts to the same thing.


    Exactly. You've known this so long that you don't realize that some men don't even know it!

    Many people let destructive people into their circles and never think to themselves, "Hey! I don't HAVE to keep this person here!"

    You clearly discern who gets in and who doesn't. Others don't. And then it's a matter of coaching them so they realize that if they don't like where they ended up, they can change it.

    I like your fitness example. That's really the point I was making. It's not a case of "I've starting cycling, I must ditch all non-cycling friends!", it is a case of "I want my life to be about health and fitness and sport and I have one person who frustrates those pursuits and who smokes and drinks and hates sports can't socialize with my other friends and frankly we don't have anything else in common other than we were friends in third grade." (I'm making it blatant so it's obvious.) Some people don't know enough to ditch the unhealthy person and move on in their lives. You say you never would have let that person into the circle but that doesn't factor in the case of you and a friend coming together at one point in time, only to diverge on different paths over time to the point that you consider that person to be poisonous to how you want to live going forward. I'm curious if you have a "once in, always in" policy and if that person would get grandfathered into the inner circle (to use legal terms) or if you would also say at some point that "enough is enough" and break a friendship off or let it fall by the wayside? Your initial response said you would not be so callous as to re-evaluate them. Really?? I'm not egging you on, I'm actually really curious.
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    Aug 31, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI have to say that these 10 codes are incredibly corny. But I get the sad feeling that there are a bunch of kids out there that have this printed out and posted on their bedroom wall. icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gificon_confused.gif


    Hey Xrichx:

    If the lessons are hung over top of the prior set which were:

    1. eat
    2. drink
    3. party
    4. workout
    5. fuck
    6. repeat

    ...then relatively speaking, they're moving forward.

    Tahoe made a great point about the fact that to some guys, this kind of thinking is probably all new. To others, they may think, "I was there 30 years ago!"

    Values and priorities seem to change by life-stage and some of the younger guys on the site are just starting to figure this stuff out. At least they're trying which is good!

    I saw an awesome Ted.com talk the other day (it was from 2004 - I can't remember the speaker though) but I think it was called the new science of happiness. In any case, there was a cool slide about some research by a team named Miller and deBaca who wrote that men went through a quantum change in their mid-to-later life where their priorities shifted...

    FROM: wealth, adventure, achievement, pleasure, respect, family, fun, self-esteem, freedom, attractiveness

    TO: spirituality, personal peace, God's will, Family, Honesty, Growth, Humility, Faithfulness to others, Forgiveness, and self-esteem

    I thought that was pretty cool and I think that Tahoe alluded to that a bit as did a few others in thinking, how (and when) do we move beyond I want to be more muscular and get laid more to I want to create a better world.

    Sometimes it just takes a few years. And sometimes a guy may never get there at all.

    I have to admit that I'm still squarely in the FROM section with a little sprinkling from the TO section. Every day the TO section looks more interesting though...
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    Aug 31, 2009 7:35 PM GMT
    I am referring to the OP. He seems wound a bit tight.

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    Sparkycat saidI think you have a wee bit too much starch in your knickers.


    Sparky, who is "you" in the above sentence?
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    Aug 31, 2009 8:18 PM GMT
    I failed in about 90% of them
    maybe thats the problem! ; )
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    Aug 31, 2009 9:13 PM GMT
    True comments, thanks for sharing
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    Sep 01, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
    I don't think I intended to start any great metaphysical, racist, or sexist discussion. The original post sought to make important points in a raw, edgy tone; not so much unlike a raw edgy comedian. If you haven't learned important lessons in life like putting people ahead of money then this list is probably pretty unlikely to become some sort of lift altering way of viewing the world.

    Holy crap some guys need to loosen up and learn to be willing to see whats valuable and leave the rest behind.
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    Sep 01, 2009 9:05 PM GMT
    YngHungSFSD saidHoly crap some guys need to loosen up and learn to be willing to see whats valuable and leave the rest behind.


    When you start a discussion, you have no control over which direction it will go. It's not about loosening up at all. Frankly, the follow up conversation has been far more interesting than any discussion of this mook's "rules."

    What's more, what do you expect? You post something from a third party who is clearly anti-semitic and sexist and you expect no one to notice???
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    Sep 01, 2009 9:27 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI can't fathom why my Jew ass remains tight. And it's not just my wallet tote. I've got a hairdryer, camera-phone and 45 feet of bungee cord shoe-horned up in there. I guess I was just born with a tight ass.


    I bet I could pry it open with my tounge.