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We hurt our own interests by not voting this year...

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Nov 07, 2010 6:25 AM GMT

and now we're screwed - unless the Democrats can somehow get a few Republicans to vote to repeal DADT.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

We cannot afford to sit out elections.
We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.

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Nov 07, 2010 8:19 AM GMT

rickrick91 saidand now we're screwed - unless the Democrats can somehow get a few Republicans to vote to repeal DADT.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

We cannot afford to sit out elections.
We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.

lol. ur funny.
u talk so much shit out ur mouth.

dadt is fucked cuz ur idol blocked a legal ordeal to repeal it.
ur hypocrit idol knows there are no votes in the senate for repeal...yet he keeps saying he wants dadt to end.
the evil republicans didn't put a gun to his head to make him file the appeal.
ur guy did it just by himself cuz he likes it when you think u depend on him to get things done...that keeps u voting for him

he just wants to use this for political gain to keep zombie gays like you thinking that he wants you to have your rights.

it's funny how he can keep a str8 face when he says republicans oppose dadt when 1) it was the republicans of LCR who killed dadt and 2) his administration asked that the order be vacated. if anyone is evil in this dadt fairytale that is ur superhero.

wake up, rick zombie!

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Nov 07, 2010 8:22 PM GMT

marineboi1 said
rickrick91 saidand now we're screwed - unless the Democrats can somehow get a few Republicans to vote to repeal DADT.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

We cannot afford to sit out elections.
We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.

lol. ur funny.
u talk so much shit out ur mouth.

dadt is fucked cuz ur idol blocked a legal ordeal to repeal it.
ur hypocrit idol knows there are no votes in the senate for repeal...yet he keeps saying he wants dadt to end.
the evil republicans didn't put a gun to his head to make him file the appeal.
ur guy did it just by himself cuz he likes it when you think u depend on him to get things done...that keeps u voting for him

he just wants to use this for political gain to keep zombie gays like you thinking that he wants you to have your rights.

it's funny how he can keep a str8 face when he says republicans oppose dadt when 1) it was the republicans of LCR who killed dadt and 2) his administration asked that the order be vacated. if anyone is evil in this dadt fairytale that is ur superhero.

wake up, rick zombie!

It's funny that you can say that Repubs DON'T oppose repealing DADT when EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN IN THE SENATE VOTED AGAINST REPEALING DADT.
The Dems voted FOR repealing.
Those are the facts.
What you posted is BS.
Repealing DADT is "fucked" because the Repubs voted in lockstep to kill it.

You're a pathetic loser asshole who's so ashamed and cowardly that you hide your profile.
If you're too ashamed of your comment and of yourself to identify yourself, that says a lot about what a waste of space you are.

Gays like you who are ashamed of being gay and who vote for the anti-gay Repubs are pathetic bunch of self-hating losers.

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Nov 07, 2010 8:25 PM GMT

rickrick...put marineboi on ignore

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Nov 07, 2010 8:39 PM GMT

n8698u saidrickrick...put marineboi on ignore

marineboi1 is a hidden member and there will soon be a change concerning hidden members. Their posts will no longer appear in the threads.

http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1208545/

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Nov 07, 2010 8:43 PM GMT

Yeah, I noticed that. Excellent policy!

Now they need to make it so only verified members can add to the forums.

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Nov 07, 2010 9:23 PM GMT

I'm still optimistic that we'll win in the courts, definitely not in the Congress.
It wouldn't surprise me if Obama killed DADT, after he's reelected.

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Nov 07, 2010 9:35 PM GMT

marineboi1 saiddadt is fucked cuz ur idol blocked a legal ordeal to repeal it.

Please name the politician you support who WILL campaign for the repeal of DADT. You do support DADT repeal, don't you? I haven't heard you say so.

So who is this friend to gays in the military? A Republican, perhaps? Please name him or her.

Without that name, and some proofs, your argument is hollow and meaningless. Get MY meaning, Marine? Time you got with the program.

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Nov 07, 2010 9:40 PM GMT

Webster666 saidI'm still optimistic that we'll win in the courts, definitely not in the Congress.
It wouldn't surprise me if Obama killed DADT, after he's reelected.

Progress on gay rights will continue.
After Obama is reelected, and a lot of Repubs get booted out of Congress in 2012.

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Nov 07, 2010 9:47 PM GMT

Who's to say we didn't vote?

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Nov 07, 2010 10:02 PM GMT

rickrick91 said
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

We cannot afford to sit out elections.
We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.

Sure you can- others will vote for you...

In all seriousness, I have said it before. If the "we" you are referring to are the GLBT community, there are not enough votes to change anything.

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Nov 07, 2010 10:23 PM GMT

Pyrotech saidWho's to say we didn't vote?

A-men. I know I voted, and a number of my friends indicate that they also did so. I think the independents were really the culprits in the mid-term elections. Those indys can be fickle.

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Nov 07, 2010 10:53 PM GMT

rickrick91 saidand now we're screwed - unless the Democrats can somehow get a few Republicans to vote to repeal DADT.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

We cannot afford to sit out elections.
We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.

Ugh! Here we go with the pessimism. You don't have a crystal ball, and you or anyone else doesn't have any idea how the next vote to repeal will go, so stop acting like "we're screwed" when we may not be. I'm optimistic. I think they will pass the repeal and that you will be pleased, and surprised, at the outcome and the way some Republicans voted. They had good reason to vote NO on the last vote due to the way it was presented within another military appropriations bill. This time, hopefully, it will come up for a vote the way it should have been in the first place -- after the Pentagon data is in and has been reviewed, and after the joint heads of the military have given their recommendations. Have a little faith, you might just get your wish.

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Nov 08, 2010 11:39 PM GMT

As usual, rickrick91 loves to show his ignorance by stereotyping all republicans as anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-everything. He along with many other guys on here are such blind sycophants to the democratic party but they keep forgetting that the democrats have failed to repeal DADT while they had majority control of both houses of Congress along with the Presidency.

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Nov 08, 2010 11:49 PM GMT

roadbikeRob saidAs usual, rickrick91 loves to show his ignorance by stereotyping all republicans as anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-everything. He along with many other guys on here are such blind sycophants to the democratic party but they keep forgetting that the democrats have failed to repeal DADT while they had majority control of both houses of Congress along with the Presidency.

Thank you.

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Nov 08, 2010 11:56 PM GMT

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roadbikeRob saidAs usual, rickrick91 loves to show his ignorance by stereotyping all republicans as anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-everything. He along with many other guys on here are such blind sycophants to the democratic party but they keep forgetting that the democrats have failed to repeal DADT while they had majority control of both houses of Congress along with the Presidency.

Thank you.

Amen.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:03 AM GMT

CuriousJockAZ said
rickrick91 saidand now we're screwed - unless the Democrats can somehow get a few Republicans to vote to repeal DADT.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

We cannot afford to sit out elections.
We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.

Ugh! Here we go with the pessimism. You don't have a crystal ball, and you or anyone else doesn't have any idea how the next vote to repeal will go, so stop acting like "we're screwed" when we may not be. I'm optimistic. I think they will pass the repeal and that you will be pleased, and surprised, at the outcome and the way some Republicans voted. They had good reason to vote NO on the last vote due to the way it was presented within another military appropriations bill. This time, hopefully, it will come up for a vote the way it should have been in the first place -- after the Pentagon data is in and has been reviewed, and after the joint heads of the military have given their recommendations. Have a little faith, you might just get your wish.

Many Republicans were on the fence regarding the repeal, and when amnesty for illegal immigrants/path to citizenship etc was attached along with a raft of liberal issues, it became veritable kryptonite for anyone with conservative voters. I would like to see DADT dealt with in its own right, or at the very least without being brought up with every other social issue Congress is debating. This is one issue I don't think there is such a wide difference of opinion on, once the votes are counted. Republicans and Dems both say that they want to work together on something, this should an easy start.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:05 AM GMT

It's fascinating how you automatically blame republicans for not changing DADT, when it fact, the court case is from the log cabin republicans. The log cabin republicans are asking for the measure to be repealed when a democratic president had the repeal blocked.

Secondly, to blame the republicans in congress for not repealing the law is just ignorant. Senators Snowe and Collins both said they believe DADT should be repealed; however, they were not willing to vote for the change in the corrupt bill Harry Reid put together. Once Secretary Gates finishes his research, several republicans will vote in favor of the repeal, enough that would allow the bill to pass in the lame duck congress if Pelosi and Reid decide to bring a bill forward before the next legislative session begins.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:08 AM GMT

rickrick91 saidand now we're screwed - unless the Democrats can somehow get a few Republicans to vote to repeal DADT.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

We cannot afford to sit out elections.
We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.

We should vote, and many did. What's important is to make sure setbacks don't make people apathetic or discouraged.

One area that should also be emphasized is making sure our money is actually being spent instead of sitting around. Most of the LGBT advocacy groups were asleep at the wheel when DADT was attached to the military appropriations bill. For example, some estimates of HRC's accounts point to only 40% of their potential resources and funds actually being used or mobilized during that Congressional session.
We need LGBT advocacy groups to be out there, loud, and lobbying Republicans and Democrats.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:08 AM GMT

You're very right.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:16 AM GMT

I voted. If you sat out, you're an idiot.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:27 AM GMT

I voted - and am rather pissed that many younger gay people I know on-line DIDN'T. Kind of infuriated, actually. Although honestly I feel our government is utterly corrupt and broken and may well take a force beyond corporations to change it (perhaps a major natural disaster) - but I refuse to watch my future go to hell in a hand-basket without exercising the one thing I know I can determine: my vote, MY decision.

I have yet to meet one fag (yes that's what non-voters are to me) that can give me a solid, meaningful reason as to why they didn't vote. Is it really asking too much of our community to have balls and a brain? Are these not the same people that actually PAY to vote on American Idol??!

Give. Me. Strength.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:33 AM GMT

roadbikeRob saidAs usual, rickrick91 loves to show his ignorance by stereotyping all republicans as anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-everything. He along with many other guys on here are such blind sycophants to the democratic party but they keep forgetting that the democrats have failed to repeal DADT while they had majority control of both houses of Congress along with the Presidency.

Excuse my ignorance, but Democrats brought it up for a vote. Republicans filibustered. "Republicans voted against..." is not the same as "Democrats failed to..."

I want Democrats to do more on this issue, but "failed to" suggests some willful inaction on their part. I know where the blame lies.

Don't lecture anyone about blindness.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:51 AM GMT

roadbikeRob saidAs usual, rickrick91 loves to show his ignorance by stereotyping all republicans as anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-everything. He along with many other guys on here are such blind sycophants to the democratic party but they keep forgetting that the democrats have failed to repeal DADT while they had majority control of both houses of Congress along with the Presidency.

Dude, when it's in the party platform, I think that's a logical assumption to make... However, I see your point in that not ALL Republicans are necessarily anti-gay. The difference is that ALL Republican representatives and senators VOTE that way.

Not that it is perfect, but in the Democratic Party I can find representatives who are fiscally conservative while still being supportive of gay rights. As the president figured out, not all Democrats vote in lock-step with the party platform. That diversity is why I vote Democrat and will continue to until I don't see it anymore.

All of you gay republicans need to wake up. Your party will never accept you. Sure, they will take your money to advance their anti-everything agenda, but don't delude yourselves into thinking that you will ever be seen as anything but an ATM to them. Rhetoric means nothing. VOTES are what count. I have yet to see ANY Republicans actually vote FOR any bill that advances gay rights.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:59 AM GMT

north_runner saidOne area that should also be emphasized is making sure our money is actually being spent instead of sitting around. Most of the LGBT advocacy groups were asleep at the wheel when DADT was attached to the military appropriations bill. For example, some estimates of HRC's accounts point to only 40% of their potential resources and funds actually being used or mobilized during that Congressional session.
We need LGBT advocacy groups to be out there, loud, and lobbying Republicans and Democrats.

The HRC might have not gotten much done for us, but damn those $500 plate dinners are really something. Nobody can throw a party like the HRC!

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