We hurt our own interests by not voting this year...

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    Nov 09, 2010 2:09 AM GMT
    wave173 saidIt's fascinating how you automatically blame republicans for not changing DADT, when it fact, the court case is from the log cabin republicans. The log cabin republicans are asking for the measure to be repealed when a democratic president had the repeal blocked.

    Secondly, to blame the republicans in congress for not repealing the law is just ignorant. Senators Snowe and Collins both said they believe DADT should be repealed; however, they were not willing to vote for the change in the corrupt bill Harry Reid put together. Once Secretary Gates finishes his research, several republicans will vote in favor of the repeal, enough that would allow the bill to pass in the lame duck congress if Pelosi and Reid decide to bring a bill forward before the next legislative session begins.


    Reid's bill was no more or less corrupt than every other defense appropriations bill.

    And the DREAM act wasn't amnesty. It provided a path to citizenship based on certain conditions, all of which would have been good for the American economy.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    ksig121 said...The difference is that ALL Republican representatives and senators VOTE that way. [Anti-gay]

    ...I have yet to see ANY Republicans actually vote FOR any bill that advances gay rights.

    As I have been saying for a couple of years. Meanwhile the Repub cheerleaders here keep throwing out this false argument that because SOME Republicans, in non-leadership positions, aren't ALL anti-gay, therefore NO Republicans are anti-gay.

    Well, that makes sense, doesn't it? The very few exceptions make the rule. Pay no attention to those majority homophobes behind the curtain, who set Party policy and make all the Party legislative decisions opposing equal rights for gays.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    Pyrotech saidWho's to say we didn't vote?


    Was gonna say speak for yourself. I was there, got the badge.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    Pyrotech saidWho's to say we didn't vote?

    Ya, that's my big problem. I know a lot of people voted, it is just whom they voted for that can be problematic.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:39 AM GMT
    I'm hoping that some moderate Republicans can go along with "us" Democrats to not only repeal DADT, but to move forward a progressive, populist agenda agains the "Red Tide."

    And yes, I voted as well. I have not missed an election or a primary since 1972 (when I voted for George McGovern as an 18 year old).
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    so happy all these RJ folks are looking out for my rights. granted, most RJ'ers are only exposed to 2 "military" guys on here - a gay NCO and a *supposed* retired O6/COL who says he's never had or has a conservative friend (unheard of in the U.S. Army) and yet his picture and rants (and amusingly, location) strike me as more being the "albert" character from "the birdcage." but know that a large percentage of us currently serving - even the gay ones - place national security and defending the Constitution over our/my "gay rights." do i want DADT to be dropped? sure i do. but it's not at the expense of voting for folks taking My country towards socialism.

    i joined this site to meet other jocks - dudes that grew up playing sports and go to the gym like i do. it's called realjock, right? when did it become some left-to-the-huffingtonpost-whinefest?

    and here's the real kicker - the first time i've felt safe to express my honest opinions on here is was getting kicked out under DADT was elevated to the service chiefs because of the suit brought under the Log Cabin Republicans - which has done more to end DADT than any democrat politician or group since clinton enacted it. lol.

    take yer best shots at me, sports (you too, albert). for free points be sure to use my being too lazy to use caps. surely i've never graduated hs, much less college. i'm probably a "republican plant" (and straight) - which is apparently what anybody is labeled here if they don't follow along with the groupthink...

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    Nov 09, 2010 2:46 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK saidso happy all these RJ folks are looking out for my rights. granted, most RJ'ers are only exposed to 2 "military" guys on here - a gay NCO and a *supposed* retired O6/COL ........... i'm probably a "republican plant" (and straight) - which is apparently what anybody is labeled here if they don't follow along with the groupthink...

    Really............ hmmmmm, I think you had better 'rethink' your assumption.
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    Nov 09, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK said but know that a large percentage of us currently serving - even the gay ones - place national security and defending the Constitution over our/my "gay rights."
    Food for thought...

    Recite section one of the 14th amendment and then get back to me..

    I didnt serve 22 yrs without knowing that constitution I almost gave my life for..

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    Nov 09, 2010 3:15 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK said. but it's not at the expense of voting for folks taking My country towards socialism.




    Like I said before, there are enough conservative Dems that that would never happen.

    I would rather stick with the party that more accurately reflects the American people than some party that's stuck in the 1950's and tries to continually take the country backwards. I don't just mean racially either.

    Don't believe the bullshit hype that's being put out there that Nancy Pelosi is indicative of the Democratic party. Like Newt Gingrich was in his day, she is closer to the fringe of the party than the mainstream. The republicans had the congress and presidency for 6 years and they oversaw the largest expansion of government in history. The republicans have no credibility where that is concerned.

    Also, quit whining about people picking on you. You are on a GAY fitness site. There are plenty of straight ones if you don't want to hear it. By it's very nature, a good majority of guys on here advocate for liberal policies where gay rights are concerned. If you can't stand the criticism, then I recommend that you stick to the fitness threads and leave the political ones to those who can.
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    heh, i can stand "the criticism" - been putting up with it silently on here for years until a small gay Republican group made things legally safe enough for me to speak my mind in a public forum.

    and sure, it'd be too easy to take potshots at some people on a supposed "fitness" website for their postings while ignoring the primary thread.

    but to be honest i had forgotten that any criticism toward obama makes one racist. my bad...
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
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    All of you gay republicans need to wake up. Your party will never accept you. Sure, they will take your money to advance their anti-everything agenda, but don't delude yourselves into thinking that you will ever be seen as anything but an ATM to them. Rhetoric means nothing. VOTES are what count. I have yet to see ANY Republicans actually vote FOR any bill that advances gay rights.


    That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen. The party will never accept us...? Umm.. Look at the past one hundred years and see how much has changed in this country, then say with a straight face.

    On another note; I don't understand why people think that just because you vote Republican or Democrat you automatically believe the views that go along with the party. I am very liberal in some of my views but extremely conservative in others... voting isn't about one view; however, the general population of America seems to not realize this (especially based on some of the responses of this post).

    Bottom line... stop making such rash accusations; it just highlights ignorance.

    *On a side note seeing how a lot of this thread focused on DADT... of course I hope it gets repealed... but it's not going to deter my entire vote; there're way too many other things that also need to be taken into perspective*
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:46 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK said

    but to be honest i had forgotten that any criticism toward obama makes one racist. my bad...


    Who called you racist? Maybe I need to re-read some of the posts, but I never said that. I have no idea if you're racist or not. Honestly, as long as it's not directed at me, I couldn't care less if you are.

    Criticizing the president is a healthy exercise. While I agree with him on most things, there are certainly things that I completely disagree with.

    As far as putting your views out there: you have as much of a right as all of the rest of us do. I know how it feels to have a minority view. I'm a Democrat in Texas for goodness sake... The thing is, I make reasoned arguments and stick to my principles. If my arguments are good enough, I can move some people to my direction, if not I either rethink them or keep trying. I get beat down in person in a very similar way that you do on this forum. It doesn't bother me, though. It motivates me to get better at pleading my case.

    If you notice, I didn't demonize republicans or resort to hyperbole to describe them (as you did to democrats with the socialism comment). I just put the facts out there and I believe that they are strong enough to stand on their own. Try doing that instead of regurgitating Fox News talking points...
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:57 AM GMT
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    All of you gay republicans need to wake up. Your party will never accept you. Sure, they will take your money to advance their anti-everything agenda, but don't delude yourselves into thinking that you will ever be seen as anything but an ATM to them. Rhetoric means nothing. VOTES are what count. I have yet to see ANY Republicans actually vote FOR any bill that advances gay rights.


    That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen. The party will never accept us...? Umm.. Look at the past one hundred years and see how much has changed in this country, then say with a straight face.

    On another note; I don't understand why people think that just because you vote Republican or Democrat you automatically believe the views that go along with the party. I am very liberal in some of my views but extremely conservative in others... voting isn't about one view; however, the general population of America seems to not realize this (especially based on some of the responses of this post).

    Bottom line... stop making such rash accusations; it just highlights ignorance.

    *On a side note seeing how a lot of this thread focused on DADT... of course I hope it gets repealed... but it's not going to deter my entire vote; there're way too many other things that also need to be taken into perspective*


    Maybe you're right. I am not a fortune teller, but if you listen to Republican leadership, it won't happen anytime soon. I certainly wouldn't bet the farm on it...

    Like you, I am on varying ends of the spectrum of liberal vs. conservative depending on the issue. That's why I vote Democrat. The party is diverse enough in its ideological make-up that I can actually find candidates who share AND VOTE my views.( At least more so than any that I find in the Republican party...) The Republican party is so rigid that even if a member wants to vote against the platform, they don't for fear of retribution. There is nothing rash or ignorant about this analysis.
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    Nov 09, 2010 6:27 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK saidso happy all these RJ folks are looking out for my rights. granted, most RJ'ers are only exposed to 2 "military" guys on here - a gay NCO and a *supposed* retired O6/COL who says he's never had or has a conservative friend (unheard of in the U.S. Army) and yet his picture and rants (and amusingly, location) strike me as more being the "albert" character from "the birdcage." but know that a large percentage of us currently serving - even the gay ones - place national security and defending the Constitution over our/my "gay rights." do i want DADT to be dropped? sure i do. but it's not at the expense of voting for folks taking My country towards socialism.

    i joined this site to meet other jocks - dudes that grew up playing sports and go to the gym like i do. it's called realjock, right? when did it become some left-to-the-huffingtonpost-whinefest?

    and here's the real kicker - the first time i've felt safe to express my honest opinions on here is was getting kicked out under DADT was elevated to the service chiefs because of the suit brought under the Log Cabin Republicans - which has done more to end DADT than any democrat politician or group since clinton enacted it. lol.

    take yer best shots at me, sports (you too, albert). for free points be sure to use my being too lazy to use caps. surely i've never graduated hs, much less college. i'm probably a "republican plant" (and straight) - which is apparently what anybody is labeled here if they don't follow along with the groupthink...





    Fuck you asshole.
    I served - and you can take your superior attitude and shove it up your ass.

    It's not YOUR country - it's OUR country.

    The fact that you associate being a progressive with being unathletic is total BS.
    That just shows what a narrow limited stereotypical view of the world you have.
    Bad on you.

    And when it comes to a "whinefest" - your comment is a perfect example of a whinefest.
    Oh, poor, poor baby.
    Not everyone on RJ shares your lame self-hating clueless right-wing views.
    Boo-hoo-hoo.
    Whine whine whine.

    Oh, and FYI - the guy you voted for in the last election - John McCain -VOTED AGAINST repealing DADT.
    And, he recently said he will "absolutely filibuster" to prevent the repeal of DADT if the Democrats try to pass a repeal of the policy during the lame-duck session.
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    Nov 09, 2010 6:32 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK saidheh, i can stand "the criticism" - been putting up with it silently on here for years until a small gay Republican group made things legally safe enough for me to speak my mind in a public forum.

    and sure, it'd be too easy to take potshots at some people on a supposed "fitness" website for their postings while ignoring the primary thread.

    but to be honest i had forgotten that any criticism toward obama makes one racist. my bad...




    Nobody called you a racist.
    So, stop whining about some shit that never happened.

    You Repubs need to stop fucking playing the race card.
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    Nov 09, 2010 7:30 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK saidso happy all these RJ folks are looking out for my rights. granted, most RJ'ers are only exposed to 2 "military" guys on here - a gay NCO and a *supposed* retired O6/COL who says he's never had or has a conservative friend (unheard of in the U.S. Army) and yet his picture and rants (and amusingly, location) strike me as more being the "albert" character from "the birdcage." but know that a large percentage of us currently serving - even the gay ones - place national security and defending the Constitution over our/my "gay rights." do i want DADT to be dropped? sure i do. but it's not at the expense of voting for folks taking My country towards socialism.

    i joined this site to meet other jocks - dudes that grew up playing sports and go to the gym like i do. it's called realjock, right? when did it become some left-to-the-huffingtonpost-whinefest?

    and here's the real kicker - the first time i've felt safe to express my honest opinions on here is was getting kicked out under DADT was elevated to the service chiefs because of the suit brought under the Log Cabin Republicans - which has done more to end DADT than any democrat politician or group since clinton enacted it. lol.

    take yer best shots at me, sports (you too, albert). for free points be sure to use my being too lazy to use caps. surely i've never graduated hs, much less college. i'm probably a "republican plant" (and straight) - which is apparently what anybody is labeled here if they don't follow along with the groupthink...




    Hey man, just wanted to say thank you for serving our country. I hope that young people within the gay community can look at you as a role model.


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    Nov 09, 2010 7:51 AM GMT
    wave173 saidIt's fascinating how you automatically blame republicans for not changing DADT, when it fact, the court case is from the log cabin republicans. The log cabin republicans are asking for the measure to be repealed when a democratic president had the repeal blocked.

    Secondly, to blame the republicans in congress for not repealing the law is just ignorant. Senators Snowe and Collins both said they believe DADT should be repealed; however, they were not willing to vote for the change in the corrupt bill Harry Reid put together. Once Secretary Gates finishes his research, several republicans will vote in favor of the repeal, enough that would allow the bill to pass in the lame duck congress if Pelosi and Reid decide to bring a bill forward before the next legislative session begins.


    I can assure you that Collins and Snowe are not republicans--they are RINOS... at least according to the far right republicans/teabaggers in my state. And I have proudly voted for both of them in the past.

    I blame the democracts for what happened to DADT just as much as the anti-gay republicans.

    I didn't vote this year... I'm sick of this two-party system... full of corrupt and hypocritical politicans with their wallets full of money from big business and special interest groups.
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    Nov 09, 2010 7:52 AM GMT
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    Hey man, just wanted to say thank you for serving our country. I hope that young people within the gay community can look at you as a role model.






    Suckup
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    Nov 09, 2010 8:19 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK said but know that a large percentage of us currently serving - even the gay ones - place national security and defending the Constitution over our/my "gay rights." do i want DADT to be dropped? sure i do. but it's not at the expense of voting for folks taking My country towards socialism.
    i joined this site to meet other jocks - dudes that grew up playing sports and go to the gym like i do. it's called realjock, right? when did it become some left-to-the-huffingtonpost-whinefest?

    and here's the real kicker - the first time i've felt safe to express my honest opinions on here is was getting kicked out under DADT was elevated to the service chiefs because of the suit brought under the Log Cabin Republicans - which has done more to end DADT than any democrat politician or group since clinton enacted it. lol.

    take yer best shots at me, sports (you too, albert). for free points be sure to use my being too lazy to use caps. surely i've never graduated hs, much less college. i'm probably a "republican plant" (and straight) - which is apparently what anybody is labeled here if they don't follow along with the groupthink...



    You have the right to express your opinions. But if you want your views respected, they should at least be accurate and based on facts/evidence and not the talking-points of Fox News and Glenn Beck. Also, you seem quite combative--you are not going to make many friends here if you continue to act like that. There are conservatives on here who can presnt their views in a reasonable manner without acting immature.

    And you might want to research DADT before you completely blame Clinton--you might want to read up on what your beloved republicans wanted to do back in the 90's with gays in the military.

    I do agree with you that the LCR has done quite a bit for this issue... but I'm not sure this should be decided in the courts. I think the support of Gates and the brassheads will carry most weight at the end of the day and not the opinions of some politicians.

    And finally, you seem disgusted that the majority of people on here are liberal--maybe you should stop whining yourself? But ask yourself... why is that... why are most gays liberal/independent?
    Why am I center left? Because I disagree with mostly every socially conservative view point... because I do not blindly believe that America is #1 nor do I blindly support the military and it's missions... because I believe there is more to life than getting rich while taking advantage of those less fortunate... because money does not run my life... and because I support science, reason, and logic instead of the superstitious religious ideas of ignorant and fearful Jews (as stated in the torah and bible).
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    Nov 09, 2010 8:31 AM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK saidheh, i can stand "the criticism" - been putting up with it silently on here for years until a small gay Republican group made things legally safe enough for me to speak my mind in a public forum.

    and sure, it'd be too easy to take potshots at some people on a supposed "fitness" website for their postings while ignoring the primary thread.

    but to be honest i had forgotten that any criticism toward obama makes one racist. my bad...

    Hey - thanks for your service. There are quite a number of guys here who are fiscally conservative and more aligned with the Republican party. To us the Democrats have gone far left. Many of us do not post here in the political threads very often because the discussions with most of these guys serve no purpose. A number of us conservative guys are ex-military, some very recently out of the service. No BS from military posers, if you know what I mean - I think you do. We have a place where we hang out. Will PM.
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    Nov 09, 2010 12:58 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said

    Oh, and FYI - the guy you voted for in the last election - John McCain...

    Did I miss something? So far as I could tell he only said that he criticizes the policies of the president- not that he voted McCain (heck he could have voted Ron Paul- or a write in for RuPaul...) You will often find me criticizing the policies of the party who I last voted for. Partly because they occasionally have their heads stuck up their collective asses, partly because, having cast my vote for them I am more easily disappointed by poor policies and less forgiving of their short comings.

    (yeah, I would think that he may have voted McCain- just pointing out that he did not actually say that he did. Though I still like the idea of a RuPaul write-inicon_twisted.gif )
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:54 PM GMT
    so i'd been drinking a little last night and decided to finally get honest in the realjock forums. while I certainly stand by the tone of what I said (and refuse to stand silently on the sidelines as a loud and vocal few try and define what all gays must think), I do wish to publicly apologize for the personal attack on a fellow RJ'er whom I've never met. he probably knows who he is. I look forward to having more rational debates with him in the future...
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    Nov 09, 2010 3:59 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidand now we're screwed - unless the Democrats can somehow get a few Republicans to vote to repeal DADT.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_as/as_election_gates

    We cannot afford to sit out elections.
    We must VOTE if we want our interests represented, and if we want to keep the anti-gay Republicans from having the power to deny us our equal rights.


    Dude I totally agree with ya...Commitment continues to be a big issue ....BUD
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:29 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    Oh, and FYI - the guy you voted for in the last election - John McCain -VOTED AGAINST repealing DADT.
    And, he recently said he will "absolutely filibuster" to prevent the repeal of DADT if the Democrats try to pass a repeal of the policy during the lame-duck session.






    As usual, RickRick, you report only part of the truth and present it in a misleading way in some half-baked attempt at making your point. What John McCain said is this:
    "Absolutely I will filibuster or stop it from being brought up until we have a thorough and complete study on the effect of morale and battle effectiveness, and that is the position of the four service chiefs."

    This isn't like saying he will filibuster such a vote under any circumstances. I truly believe that if the Pentagon data supports it, and the joint chiefs of the military are in favor, John McCain will vote to repeal DADT. Granted, I might eat my words, but I feel optimistic about this. We'll just have to wait and see how things play out after Dec 1st.
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    Nov 09, 2010 4:55 PM GMT
    if current dems congress only recognizes that it is their last chance to actually do something for the country by passing policy during the lame duck session before they actually get replaced, otherwise, there is no chance for change after that