We hurt our own interests by not voting this year...

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 5:59 PM GMT
    RRButch saidif current dems congress only recognizes that it is their last chance to actually do something for the country by passing policy during the lame duck session before they actually get replaced, otherwise, there is no chance for change after that



    Excuse me, RRButch, would you mind telling me where you got that Crystal Ball of yours -- cuz I want one!!!! icon_rolleyes.gif Nobody knows what is going to happen. I think we should try to be optimistic. I believe the Republicans know and understand that they will have to bend on some social issues if they have any hope of making even bigger gains in 2012, and I suspect that this is what you will see -- probably beginning with the repeal of DADT.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 6:19 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    RRButch saidif current dems congress only recognizes that it is their last chance to actually do something for the country by passing policy during the lame duck session before they actually get replaced, otherwise, there is no chance for change after that



    Excuse me, RRButch, would you mind telling me where you got that Crystal Ball of yours -- cuz I want one!!!! icon_rolleyes.gif Nobody knows what is going to happen. I think we should try to be optimistic. I believe the Republicans know and understand that they will have to bend on some social issues if they have any hope of making even bigger gains in 2012, and I suspect that this is what you will see -- probably beginning with the repeal of DADT.


    The GOP won all the Conservative (and some Moderate) seats back this year. The focus for 2012 will be winning more moderate seats, so that will mean bending on social issues. However it will be the Senate where most of the gains will take place.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 6:24 PM GMT
    n8698u saidYeah, I noticed that. Excellent policy!

    Now they need to make it so only verified members can add to the forums.


    I recall for well over 4 thousand posts I was a verified member,and now one is not. I myself don't see any diffrence.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 6:53 PM GMT
    n8698u saidYeah, I noticed that. Excellent policy!

    Now they need to make it so only verified members can add to the forums.


    I still have yet to have someone here tell me why I should become a "verified member."

    Seems like a pointless waste of time and energy to me.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 7:23 PM GMT
    CHRIS6464 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    RRButch saidif current dems congress only recognizes that it is their last chance to actually do something for the country by passing policy during the lame duck session before they actually get replaced, otherwise, there is no chance for change after that



    Excuse me, RRButch, would you mind telling me where you got that Crystal Ball of yours -- cuz I want one!!!! icon_rolleyes.gif Nobody knows what is going to happen. I think we should try to be optimistic. I believe the Republicans know and understand that they will have to bend on some social issues if they have any hope of making even bigger gains in 2012, and I suspect that this is what you will see -- probably beginning with the repeal of DADT.


    The GOP won all the Conservative (and some Moderate) seats back this year. The focus for 2012 will be winning more moderate seats, so that will mean bending on social issues. However it will be the Senate where most of the gains will take place.




    I sincerely hope that you two Repub voters are right.
    I would love to see the Republican party stop moving in lockstep with the wishes and agenda of the religious right.
    However, after the last 25 years of Repub hard right extremism on social issues, I'm very doubtful.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 7:31 PM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK saidso happy all these RJ folks are looking out for my rights. granted, most RJ'ers are only exposed to 2 "military" guys on here - a gay NCO and a *supposed* retired O6/COL who says he's never had or has a conservative friend (unheard of in the U.S. Army) and yet his picture and rants (and amusingly, location) strike me as more being the "albert" character from "the birdcage." but know that a large percentage of us currently serving - even the gay ones - place national security and defending the Constitution over our/my "gay rights." do i want DADT to be dropped? sure i do. but it's not at the expense of voting for folks taking My country towards socialism.

    i joined this site to meet other jocks - dudes that grew up playing sports and go to the gym like i do. it's called realjock, right? when did it become some left-to-the-huffingtonpost-whinefest?

    and here's the real kicker - the first time i've felt safe to express my honest opinions on here is was getting kicked out under DADT was elevated to the service chiefs because of the suit brought under the Log Cabin Republicans - which has done more to end DADT than any democrat politician or group since clinton enacted it. lol.

    take yer best shots at me, sports (you too, albert). for free points be sure to use my being too lazy to use caps. surely i've never graduated hs, much less college. i'm probably a "republican plant" (and straight) - which is apparently what anybody is labeled here if they don't follow along with the groupthink...



    You seem like someone who could truly benefit from this
    75840_466991658253_80329313253_5550448_4

    You're welcome.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 7:43 PM GMT
    127180894865.jpg
    *Fixed
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    09ARMYJOCK saidheh, i can stand "the criticism" - been putting up with it silently on here for years until a small gay Republican group made things legally safe enough for me to speak my mind in a public forum.

    and sure, it'd be too easy to take potshots at some people on a supposed "fitness" website for their postings while ignoring the primary thread.

    but to be honest i had forgotten that any criticism toward obama makes one racist. my bad...

    Hey - thanks for your service. There are quite a number of guys here who are fiscally conservative and more aligned with the Republican party. To us the Democrats have gone far left. Many of us do not post here in the political threads very often because the discussions with most of these guys serve no purpose. A number of us conservative guys are ex-military, some very recently out of the service. No BS from military posers, if you know what I mean - I think you do. We have a place where we hang out. Will PM.




    Socal, you had better fucking well not be calling me a "military poser".
    I don't know who the Hell you think you are, but in the miltary family/world where I grew up and live, questioning someone's service is the lowest most despicable thing anyone can do.
    You are the lowest piece of shit on the planet if that's what you're doing.
    My service was as valuable and honorable as any conservative's service.
    The fact that you would question someone's service says a lot about what a bitterly partisan amoral lowlife you are.

    You thank armyjock for his sevice, but you don't thank me or any progressive for our service?
    Fuck YOU.
    You can't even put aside your rabid Republicanism for one minute to put "Country First" and thank a fellow AMERICAN for his service, because you don't agree with his political views?
    It would be great if you loved America more than you love the fucking Republican party.

    I can understand why so many people have put you on ignore.
    You totally disgust me.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 7:59 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    Webster666 saidI'm still optimistic that we'll win in the courts, definitely not in the Congress.
    It wouldn't surprise me if Obama killed DADT, after he's reelected.




    Progress on gay rights will continue.
    After Obama is reelected, and a lot of Repubs get booted out of Congress in 2012.


    i hope you are right, for DADT and a host of other reasons. already you see the republicans in government haven't changed, the texas GOP is talking about ending medicaid coverage, and wants to use part of the savings to fund tax cuts...
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 8:07 PM GMT
    mustangd said
    rickrick91 said
    Webster666 saidI'm still optimistic that we'll win in the courts, definitely not in the Congress.
    It wouldn't surprise me if Obama killed DADT, after he's reelected.




    Progress on gay rights will continue.
    After Obama is reelected, and a lot of Repubs get booted out of Congress in 2012.


    i hope you are right, for DADT and a host of other reasons. already you see the republicans in government haven't changed, the texas GOP is talking about ending medicaid coverage, and wants to use part of the savings to fund tax cuts...


    Ending medicaid just seems so counter productive.

    The poor people that the rich seem to hate are the same people who work and buy from them, if these people are to busy being sick and spending money on treatment...how exactly are they going to work/buy their products?

    It seems like such a cognitive disconnect on their part.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    Socal, you had better fucking well not be calling me a "military poser".
    I don't know who the Hell you think you are, but in the miltary family/world where I grew up and live, questioning someone's service is the lowest most despicable thing anyone can do.
    You are the lowest piece of shit on the planet if that's what you're doing.
    My service was as valuable and honorable as any conservative's service.
    The fact that you would question someone's service says a lot about what a bitterly partisan amoral lowlife you are.

    You thank armyjock for his sevice, but you don't thank me or any progressive for our service?
    Fuck YOU.
    You can't even put aside your rabid Republicanism for one minute to put "Country First" and thank a fellow AMERICAN for his service, because you don't agree with his political views?
    It would be great if you loved America more than you love the fucking Republican party.

    I can understand why so many people have put you on ignore.
    You totally disgust me.




    Clearly, some ANGER MANAGEMENT classes are needed here. Breathe, RickRick, breathe...Good thoughts in, bad thoughts out....in....out icon_lol.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 8:50 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    Socal, you had better fucking well not be calling me a "military poser".
    I don't know who the Hell you think you are, but in the miltary family/world where I grew up and live, questioning someone's service is the lowest most despicable thing anyone can do.
    You are the lowest piece of shit on the planet if that's what you're doing.
    My service was as valuable and honorable as any conservative's service.
    The fact that you would question someone's service says a lot about what a bitterly partisan amoral lowlife you are.

    You thank armyjock for his sevice, but you don't thank me or any progressive for our service?
    Fuck YOU.
    You can't even put aside your rabid Republicanism for one minute to put "Country First" and thank a fellow AMERICAN for his service, because you don't agree with his political views?
    It would be great if you loved America more than you love the fucking Republican party.

    I can understand why so many people have put you on ignore.
    You totally disgust me.




    Clearly, some ANGER MANAGEMENT classes are needed here. Breathe, RickRick, breathe...Good thoughts in, bad thoughts out....in....out icon_lol.gif


    I think Rick's anger is fully justified. Bad form, SoCal.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 9:18 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    OtterJoq saidI think Rick's anger is fully justified. Bad form, SoCal.



    What happened to your profile over the weekend?


    Not sure what you're talking about.

    Clarification?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    socalfitness said
    09ARMYJOCK saidheh, i can stand "the criticism" - been putting up with it silently on here for years until a small gay Republican group made things legally safe enough for me to speak my mind in a public forum.

    and sure, it'd be too easy to take potshots at some people on a supposed "fitness" website for their postings while ignoring the primary thread.

    but to be honest i had forgotten that any criticism toward obama makes one racist. my bad...

    Hey - thanks for your service. There are quite a number of guys here who are fiscally conservative and more aligned with the Republican party. To us the Democrats have gone far left. Many of us do not post here in the political threads very often because the discussions with most of these guys serve no purpose. A number of us conservative guys are ex-military, some very recently out of the service. No BS from military posers, if you know what I mean - I think you do. We have a place where we hang out. Will PM.




    Socal, you had better fucking well not be calling me a "military poser".
    I don't know who the Hell you think you are, but in the miltary family/world where I grew up and live, questioning someone's service is the lowest most despicable thing anyone can do.
    You are the lowest piece of shit on the planet if that's what you're doing.
    My service was as valuable and honorable as any conservative's service.
    The fact that you would question someone's service says a lot about what a bitterly partisan amoral lowlife you are.

    You thank armyjock for his sevice, but you don't thank me or any progressive for our service?
    Fuck YOU.
    You can't even put aside your rabid Republicanism for one minute to put "Country First" and thank a fellow AMERICAN for his service, because you don't agree with his political views?
    It would be great if you loved America more than you love the fucking Republican party.

    I can understand why so many people have put you on ignore.
    You totally disgust me.

    RickRick - whoa man - I was not even thinking of you when I made that comment. I also served, so I will thank you and myself. Take it easy. Also, if you look at the other thread from a couple of days ago, I apologized to you for mixing you up with someone else. Aside from political discussions, I mean you no ill-will. That's the truth.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 9:43 PM GMT
    OtterJoq said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    Socal, you had better fucking well not be calling me a "military poser".
    I don't know who the Hell you think you are, but in the miltary family/world where I grew up and live, questioning someone's service is the lowest most despicable thing anyone can do.
    You are the lowest piece of shit on the planet if that's what you're doing.
    My service was as valuable and honorable as any conservative's service.
    The fact that you would question someone's service says a lot about what a bitterly partisan amoral lowlife you are.

    You thank armyjock for his sevice, but you don't thank me or any progressive for our service?
    Fuck YOU.
    You can't even put aside your rabid Republicanism for one minute to put "Country First" and thank a fellow AMERICAN for his service, because you don't agree with his political views?
    It would be great if you loved America more than you love the fucking Republican party.

    I can understand why so many people have put you on ignore.
    You totally disgust me.




    Clearly, some ANGER MANAGEMENT classes are needed here. Breathe, RickRick, breathe...Good thoughts in, bad thoughts out....in....out icon_lol.gif


    I think Rick's anger is fully justified. Bad form, SoCal.


    Yup. This is typical Socal behavior and why I blocked him. Only his direct experience is of any value and determinative to how he sees reality. Sad really.

    Meanwhile, knowing Rick was on the military conjures up all sorts of new fantasies. icon_redface.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 9:45 PM GMT
    Christian73 said

    Meanwhile, knowing Rick was on the military conjures up all sorts of new fantasies. icon_redface.gif
    Snicker......... LOL icon_wink.gif
  • tongun18

    Posts: 594

    Nov 09, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    This may just be me but I think, with regard to DADT, we don't have anything to worry about from the Republicans. The Republicans have a reputation for giving the military pretty much anything it wants. The Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs have been indicating a willingness to allow gay service members to serve openly--pending the conclusion of their internal investigation. As long as the report that's due in... three weeks I think, is favorable then the Sec. of Defense and the Joint Chiefs and the President will certify that the repeal of DADT will not harm military effectiveness. That translates to the military basically asking for a repeal. If the military asks Congress to repeal it, there really is no reason to deny them a repeal.

    The Republicans filibustered the repeal at first for a couple of reasons: First, the Pentagon had yet to conclude their investigation. The military said, "not now, let us finish our investigation first". Secondly, Republicans didn't like the fact that the Democrats would not allow debate on the bill. There were a couple of Republicans (Olympia Snow, I can't remember the other) who would have voted to repeal (even in spite of the military saying it wasn't ready) but asked the Democrats to open the bill for debate first. When the Democrats refused the Republicans showed solidarity and refused to break ranks to stop McCain's filibuster.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    OtterJoq said
    southbeach1500 said
    OtterJoq saidI think Rick's anger is fully justified. Bad form, SoCal.



    What happened to your profile over the weekend?


    Not sure what you're talking about.

    Clarification?


    Your postings went into "Hidden/Deleted Account" mode sometime late Sunday afternoon into Monday... It was weird because everyone else's profiles were still showing up normally.

    Christian noticed it too (I checked with him to make sure something wasn't wrong with my account settings).



    I dunno. I wasn't around this weekend.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 10:04 PM GMT
    OtterJoq said
    southbeach1500 said
    OtterJoq said
    southbeach1500 said
    OtterJoq saidI think Rick's anger is fully justified. Bad form, SoCal.



    What happened to your profile over the weekend?


    Not sure what you're talking about.

    Clarification?


    Your postings went into "Hidden/Deleted Account" mode sometime late Sunday afternoon into Monday... It was weird because everyone else's profiles were still showing up normally.

    Christian noticed it too (I checked with him to make sure something wasn't wrong with my account settings).



    I dunno. I wasn't around this weekend.


    Yeah. There was something weird about it this weekend.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    OtterJoq said
    I dunno. I wasn't around this weekend.


    Sure you were:

    Uncle Toms: Part Deux on Nov 08, 2010 at 5:32 PM

    How Obama Saved Capitalism and Lost the Midterms on Nov 07, 2010 at 3:51 PM

    "The Republican Recipe for an Anemic Economy thru Election 2012" on Nov 07, 2010 at 3:25 PM

    Pelosi to Remain as Leader of the Liberal Caucus on Nov 07, 2010 at 3:24 PM




    Hmm...I guess you're right.

    Whatever.

    My schedule is pretty erratic; "weekend" doesn't really mean much to me.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 09, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    OtterJoq said
    Hmm...I guess you're right.

    Whatever.

    My schedule is pretty erratic; "weekend" doesn't really mean much to me.


    Hmmmm... the story keeps changing.

    Perhaps your account was suspended?


    I should think if that were the case, I'd be given some sort of notification. That never happened. I had trouble logging in for a day or so, sent a email to the powers that be here, and with no response from them was able to log back in the next day. Probably some sort of glitch. Why do you care, anyway?
  • turtleneckjoc...

    Posts: 4685

    Nov 09, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    Oh, and FYI - the guy you voted for in the last election - John McCain -VOTED AGAINST repealing DADT.
    And, he recently said he will "absolutely filibuster" to prevent the repeal of DADT if the Democrats try to pass a repeal of the policy during the lame-duck session.






    As usual, RickRick, you report only part of the truth and present it in a misleading way in some half-baked attempt at making your point. What John McCain said is this:
    "Absolutely I will filibuster or stop it from being brought up until we have a thorough and complete study on the effect of morale and battle effectiveness, and that is the position of the four service chiefs."

    This isn't like saying he will filibuster such a vote under any circumstances. I truly believe that if the Pentagon data supports it, and the joint chiefs of the military are in favor, John McCain will vote to repeal DADT. Granted, I might eat my words, but I feel optimistic about this. We'll just have to wait and see how things play out after Dec 1st.



    Back on topic here.....

    I hope you are correct. And I hold out some belief there will be enough moderate Republicans out there with a sense of conscience to keep the lunatic far right fringe (Rand Paul/Marco Rubio) under wraps and completely out of sight. We have a country filled with people of many beliefs and backgrounds to consider......not a few partially educated citizens that want to return to the Dark Ages.....
  • rioriz

    Posts: 1056

    Nov 10, 2010 2:05 AM GMT
    Pyrotech saidWho's to say we didn't vote?


    Exactly and if what I read was true WE did vote and WE voted in larger numbers than ever for conservatives/right leaning Dems/independents.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 10, 2010 2:21 AM GMT
    tongun18 saidThis may just be me but I think, with regard to DADT, we don't have anything to worry about from the Republicans. The Republicans have a reputation for giving the military pretty much anything it wants. The Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs have been indicating a willingness to allow gay service members to serve openly--pending the conclusion of their internal investigation. As long as the report that's due in... three weeks I think, is favorable then the Sec. of Defense and the Joint Chiefs and the President will certify that the repeal of DADT will not harm military effectiveness. That translates to the military basically asking for a repeal. If the military asks Congress to repeal it, there really is no reason to deny them a repeal.

    The Republicans filibustered the repeal at first for a couple of reasons: First, the Pentagon had yet to conclude their investigation. The military said, "not now, let us finish our investigation first". Secondly, Republicans didn't like the fact that the Democrats would not allow debate on the bill. There were a couple of Republicans (Olympia Snow, I can't remember the other) who would have voted to repeal (even in spite of the military saying it wasn't ready) but asked the Democrats to open the bill for debate first. When the Democrats refused the Republicans showed solidarity and refused to break ranks to stop McCain's filibuster.




    I hope you're right.
    If the Repubs vote to repeal it would certainly help set a more bipartisan mood going forward, and maybe some compromise and progress will be possible.
    However, the fact that the first thing the Repubs are talking about doing when they take control of the House is open investigations of the Obama administration, is a troubling sign that the Repubs are going to go right back to playing the same bitterly partisan political bs games they have a long history of playing.
    I hope the Repubs will keep their promise to do "the people's business", but so far they only seem interested in doing what they think will be in the best interest of the Republican party.
    They'll be making a big mistake if that's what they do.
    Independent voters didn't vote for that.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 11, 2010 1:28 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    Socal, you had better fucking well not be calling me a "military poser".
    I don't know who the Hell you think you are, but in the miltary family/world where I grew up and live, questioning someone's service is the lowest most despicable thing anyone can do.
    You are the lowest piece of shit on the planet if that's what you're doing.
    My service was as valuable and honorable as any conservative's service.
    The fact that you would question someone's service says a lot about what a bitterly partisan amoral lowlife you are.

    You thank armyjock for his sevice, but you don't thank me or any progressive for our service?
    Fuck YOU.
    You can't even put aside your rabid Republicanism for one minute to put "Country First" and thank a fellow AMERICAN for his service, because you don't agree with his political views?
    It would be great if you loved America more than you love the fucking Republican party.

    I can understand why so many people have put you on ignore.
    You totally disgust me.




    Clearly, some ANGER MANAGEMENT classes are needed here. Breathe, RickRick, breathe...Good thoughts in, bad thoughts out....in....out icon_lol.gif


    He definitely has issues.. I'm still dealing with PTSD and I don't even get crazy like that and he's been out of the military longer than me LMFAO... Him and I had a private convo awhile back about our service... Then the convo got pretty odd which lead to him getting marked as spam, because his going all over the place with crap that made no sense nor dealt with any of the topics got annoying really quick... Getting all bent out of shape online is pretty bad.