We hurt our own interests by not voting this year...

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    Nov 11, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    meninlove said They want gay marriage, Turtleneckjock. I agree with what is being said by CuriousJock, but unfortunately those Republicans that are extremist and in power think of them as 'gays trying to infiltrate the party'.

    -Doug


    Thanks, Doug! Maybe they can work on the moderates in their party to stifle the radical fringe right and hey......they could help push a Democratic agenda whether they know it or not....


    Oh my....push a Democratic agenda without realizing it? Isn't that a little, er, inflammatory? (thinks of someone waving a red blanket in front of a bull)

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    Nov 11, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidMaybe they can work on the moderates in their party to stifle the radical fringe right and hey......they could help push a Democratic agenda whether they know it or not....



    I suspect that this is exactly what may happen on a variety of issues -- most notably the social ones. I have been saying all along that the "Doom & Gloom" that some are feeling over the results of this past election may prove unfounded. I believe that the Republicans know all too well that the radical fringe (and it IS a fringe) is what is holding them back from achieving even greater gains in elections. If they can manage to stifle this fringe, and make some gains for gays and other issues, then Obama may have a real fight on his hands to get re-elected in 2012 --- depending, of course, on who the Republicans nominate. Hopefully, it will be a more moderate candidate.
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    Nov 11, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidHopefully, it will be a more moderate candidate.

    Socially moderate, at least.
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    Nov 11, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    Perhaps the mainstream Rpeublican party should give its extremist fringes the same treatment they've given LCR in the past.

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    Nov 11, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
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    capetownboy saidI'm South African and have lost track of what is going on with the DADT debacle.

    President Obama wants to repeal it right? But the Republican Party are blocking it?

    Where do things stand at the moment? Can openly Gay & Lesbian Americans sign up for the US Army?



    President Obama says he wants to repeal it. However, he and his political party have had complete control of the government for almost 2 years and nothing has happened.

    What has happened is a group of gay Americans from the opposing political party have been fighting for the repeal of DADT in the courts, and have won their cases so far. However, the Obama administration is fighting against those court decisions.

    Right before election day, the Democrat leader of the Senate (one of the 2 houses of the Congress) held a vote on a bill that included many things, among them, granting amnesty for 2.5 million illegal aliens... and repeal of DADT. The bill failed to gather the required number of votes, due to the inclusion of the amnesty issue. It was what we call a classic "poison pill" that was added to the bill.



    That's a very partisan, bordering on delusional reading of what has happened thus far.
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    Nov 11, 2010 10:13 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    capetownboy saidI'm South African and have lost track of what is going on with the DADT debacle.

    President Obama wants to repeal it right? But the Republican Party are blocking it?

    Where do things stand at the moment? Can openly Gay & Lesbian Americans sign up for the US Army?



    President Obama says he wants to repeal it. However, he and his political party have had complete control of the government for almost 2 years and nothing has happened.

    What has happened is a group of gay Americans from the opposing political party have been fighting for the repeal of DADT in the courts, and have won their cases so far. However, the Obama administration is fighting against those court decisions.

    Right before election day, the Democrat leader of the Senate (one of the 2 houses of the Congress) held a vote on a bill that included many things, among them, granting amnesty for 2.5 million illegal aliens... and repeal of DADT. The bill failed to gather the required number of votes, due to the inclusion of the amnesty issue. It was what we call a classic "poison pill" that was added to the bill.



    That's a very partisan, bordering on delusional reading of what has happene
    d thus far.


    But it's true that any real progress thus far has come from the courts and gay republicans, not democrats.
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    Nov 11, 2010 10:16 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    capetownboy saidI'm South African and have lost track of what is going on with the DADT debacle.

    President Obama wants to repeal it right? But the Republican Party are blocking it?

    Where do things stand at the moment? Can openly Gay & Lesbian Americans sign up for the US Army?



    President Obama says he wants to repeal it. However, he and his political party have had complete control of the government for almost 2 years and nothing has happened.

    What has happened is a group of gay Americans from the opposing political party have been fighting for the repeal of DADT in the courts, and have won their cases so far. However, the Obama administration is fighting against those court decisions.

    Right before election day, the Democrat leader of the Senate (one of the 2 houses of the Congress) held a vote on a bill that included many things, among them, granting amnesty for 2.5 million illegal aliens... and repeal of DADT. The bill failed to gather the required number of votes, due to the inclusion of the amnesty issue. It was what we call a classic "poison pill" that was added to the bill.



    That's a very partisan, bordering on delusional reading of what has happene
    d thus far.


    But it's true that any real progress thus far has come from the courts and gay republicans, not democrats.


    Um...really? So gay republicans pushed for the Matthew Sheppard Act? GOProud and LCR are out there helping get support for the Trevor project and other gay organizations?

    I will give credit where it is dude LCR was instrumental with DADT, but other than that WTF have any of them done?
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    Nov 11, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
    America is a great country. One house of Congress changed parties, and quite a few crazies were elected. We shall overcome.

    And the fact is that the government failed to anticipate the massive unemployment that still plagues our country. So they got a shellacking. They should have played by the FDR playbook, which was more experimental, less tied to "we're right no matter what everyone else thinks" mentality. The Democrats can learn, I hope, to respond to major game changes. That said, things look good for the Republicans given that they control so many more state legislatures. Divided government is here for a while

    The question is: is Barack Obama here for another term or not?
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    Nov 11, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    capetownboy saidI'm South African and have lost track of what is going on with the DADT debacle.

    President Obama wants to repeal it right? But the Republican Party are blocking it?

    Where do things stand at the moment? Can openly Gay & Lesbian Americans sign up for the US Army?



    President Obama says he wants to repeal it. However, he and his political party have had complete control of the government for almost 2 years and nothing has happened.

    What has happened is a group of gay Americans from the opposing political party have been fighting for the repeal of DADT in the courts, and have won their cases so far. However, the Obama administration is fighting against those court decisions.

    Right before election day, the Democrat leader of the Senate (one of the 2 houses of the Congress) held a vote on a bill that included many things, among them, granting amnesty for 2.5 million illegal aliens... and repeal of DADT. The bill failed to gather the required number of votes, due to the inclusion of the amnesty issue. It was what we call a classic "poison pill" that was added to the bill.



    That's a very partisan, bordering on delusional reading of what has happene
    d thus far.


    But it's true that any real progress thus far has come from the courts and gay republicans, not democrats.


    Um...really? So gay republicans pushed for the Matthew Sheppard Act? GOProud and LCR are out there helping get support for the Trevor project and other gay organizations?

    I will give credit where it is dude LCR was instrumental with DADT, but other than that WTF have any of them done?


    The MS act is ridiculous. Creating some pathetic hate crimes bill is real progress, really?
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    Nov 11, 2010 10:32 PM GMT
    Explain why it is lame and pathetic.

    Intent makes the difference in sentencing between manslaughter and murder.
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    Nov 11, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
    meninlove saidExplain why it is lame and pathetic.


    It just adds an extra sentence because of something ostensibly being a "hate crime".
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    Nov 11, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
    Ostensibly means you're saying this,
    "It just adds an extra sentence because of something 'apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually' being a "hate crime".


    Gays do get attacked and even killed for being gay. You doubt this is so?
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    Nov 12, 2010 12:12 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    capetownboy saidI'm South African and have lost track of what is going on with the DADT debacle.

    President Obama wants to repeal it right? But the Republican Party are blocking it?

    Where do things stand at the moment? Can openly Gay & Lesbian Americans sign up for the US Army?



    President Obama says he wants to repeal it. However, he and his political party have had complete control of the government for almost 2 years and nothing has happened.

    What has happened is a group of gay Americans from the opposing political party have been fighting for the repeal of DADT in the courts, and have won their cases so far. However, the Obama administration is fighting against those court decisions.

    Right before election day, the Democrat leader of the Senate (one of the 2 houses of the Congress) held a vote on a bill that included many things, among them, granting amnesty for 2.5 million illegal aliens... and repeal of DADT. The bill failed to gather the required number of votes, due to the inclusion of the amnesty issue. It was what we call a classic "poison pill" that was added to the bill.



    That's a very partisan, bordering on delusional reading of what has happened thus far.


    Honestly, I'm very much a Democrat and I have been thinking the exact same thing SB said. Can you make it make sence to me, because the whole "poison pill" seems pretty dead on?
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    Nov 12, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    I'm gonna ask a question of our illustrious Log Cabin supporters..

    Can you provide a reason why they The Log Cabin folks have taken on DADT when in fact they have a very good chance of losing when they could have taken on DOMA and the issue of marriage and actually won on a constitutional basis?
    'Win' meaning striking down and eliminating ALL 'civil' jurisdiction and governmental involvement in the institution as it is NOT a 'constitutionally' protected nor endorsed activity but 'setting rules' for the military is..(article 1 section EIGHT) (the fucking smily thing keeps showing up if I print the numeral eight with a parentheses.. wtf?


    any comments from the 'right'/repblican viewpoint/caucus?
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    Nov 12, 2010 3:35 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said

    No, the US military is more afraid of a gay service members than al queda..

    isn't that the truth icon_exclaim.gif
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    Nov 12, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    capetownboy saidI'm South African and have lost track of what is going on with the DADT debacle.

    President Obama wants to repeal it right? But the Republican Party are blocking it?

    Where do things stand at the moment? Can openly Gay & Lesbian Americans sign up for the US Army?



    President Obama says he wants to repeal it. However, he and his political party have had complete control of the government for almost 2 years and nothing has happened.

    What has happened is a group of gay Americans from the opposing political party have been fighting for the repeal of DADT in the courts, and have won their cases so far. However, the Obama administration is fighting against those court decisions.

    Right before election day, the Democrat leader of the Senate (one of the 2 houses of the Congress) held a vote on a bill that included many things, among them, granting amnesty for 2.5 million illegal aliens... and repeal of DADT. The bill failed to gather the required number of votes, due to the inclusion of the amnesty issue. It was what we call a classic "poison pill" that was added to the bill.



    That's a very partisan, bordering on delusional reading of what has happened thus far.


    Honestly, I'm very much a Democrat and I have been thinking the exact same thing SB said. Can you make it make sence to me, because the whole "poison pill" seems pretty dead on?


    I am also a Democrat who feels the same way. You can argue about whether or not the immigration part of the bill was amnesty or not, but there is no argument that this immigration question was a part of this bill. Now we can only guess as to whether or not someone like Olympia Snow was voting against ending DADT or whether she voting against the immigration aspect of the bill. Now we will never know for sure. Perhaps if ending DADT had been voted on by itself, we would not now be having this discussion in many threads here on RJ.
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    Nov 12, 2010 11:05 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said

    That and McCain/Palin are firmly AGAINST net neutrality which is enough for ANYONE to lose my vote.


    This was actually the deciding factor why I didn't vote for McCain.
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    Nov 12, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAs usual, rickrick91 loves to show his ignorance by stereotyping all republicans as anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-everything. He along with many other guys on here are such blind sycophants to the democratic party but they keep forgetting that the democrats have failed to repeal DADT while they had majority control of both houses of Congress along with the Presidency.


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    Nov 15, 2010 11:51 AM GMT
    simply stated, as a moderate and independent, i just wonder why gay people would support a party that in its platform and among its leaders is so hostile toward gays? i recognize that the dems are not the complete answer either, and when it comes to fiscal issues i tend to be more conservative, however, why can't i be a conservative dem rather than a liberal republican?

    gay issues don't define my voting behavior or my life, but why would subject myself to such hostility or why would i support a political party that overall and in general attacks the rights of gay citizens? that does not mean that their are not some friendly republicans who are not in lock step with their party, just as there are dems who are unfriendly.

    but when you read the party platforms and the planks of the platforms... how does one reconcile it all.

    gays yell they want DADT repealed, they vote for republicans and then blame dems for not being able to repeal it during dem control. this obviously does not take into account the political realities of the nation or the political system.

    if you voted, im simply glad you participated, however i seriously wonder... how/why citizens would/could vote against their own self-interest? and in this case i dont think we are really talking about voting against self-interest for the sake of sacrifice (i.e. i voted against my self interest on gay issues because i want to sacrifice myself for the sake of the country so we can elect republicans who will get our fiscal house in order thereby reducing debt for my children). I say this because both political parties are corrupt and big money has seriously damaged the electoral process. icon_neutral.gif

    btw, in general, the dept of justice has the responsibility of defending the position of the government in suits whether they agree with it or not and since DADT is statutory law the administration had to defend current law, it is called checks and balances between the branches and for the sake of posterity, one branch does not usually give in to another branch. hope that makes sense
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    Nov 15, 2010 6:25 PM GMT
    http://www.goproud.org/tea-party-leaders-release-letter-urging-house-and-senate-gop-to-avoid-social-issues/

    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/11/15/memo-to-gop-ignore-the-gays/