Carb problems......Breads

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    Nov 15, 2010 4:50 AM GMT
    5ebastian saidIm confused as fuck... so you guys dont eat brown rice, oatmeal, granola, toast, whole wheat pasta, beans? like at all?

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    how do you live?
    i've heard of discipline but carbs are not your enemy.


    You forgot corn, potatoes, milk, juice, fruits and various seasonings.
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    Nov 15, 2010 11:14 AM GMT
    Go 30 days / 6 weeks without bread / pasta and you won't miss them. Also I don't fall asleep in the middle of the or right after dinner any more.

    These whole9 people are nuts but it's a good challenge:
    http://whole9life.com/2010/10/whole-30-v3/

    And I adore this little Texan who has the best recipes on her blog if you need stuff to eat that isn't carb-y:
    http://theclothesmakethegirl.blogspot.com/2010/02/dino-chowpaleo-recipes.html

    I do eat a half cup of soaked rolled oats in the morning. I had some social grain eating after not eating any grains for about 6 weeks and had the worst stomach ache ever. So I have a half-baked hypothesis that the oats let me keep myself insensitive to reoccurrences.
    And I drink milk. Went off it for a long time, went back on, didn't feel any different.

    Generally, flour keeps for a long time and it's cheap (empty) calories. If you are able to preserve foods in some other way (frozen for instance) and have the money to buy better things than what is basically polymerised corn syrup then I think you should.
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    Nov 15, 2010 5:05 PM GMT
    I do love these threads,some are good info... but...some confuse the hell of of you... I think that sometimes, there's T-M-I... Everyone's different.I think that Moderation is the key. I do see that some are way strict while some are not, although it looks like most on here have gorgeous bodies nonetheless. It's not hard to get really confused with all of this "this is bad, this is good" info... Can anyone get in the middle somewhere and please give all of us some real perspective? Thx!
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    Nov 15, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    mybud saidI'll start out by saying...I edited my diet.....Sweets were dropped which were a huge weaknesses in the past now.... mehhhh take them or leave them....I have been off diet soda..for 4 weeks...(my choice I felt addicted to the stuff)...My weakness now ...carbs....specifically bread products...When I partake I time them before my lifting or running....later in the day...get the carbs through fruits and veggies....But damn....I slide and when I do.... I hit dinner and cinnamon rolls....At times I'll turn to oatmeal or cream of wheat....but that's bland and getting old fast....Dudes.... you got suggestions for a bread replacement...Oh I don't do soy.....PLEASE.....Sincere thanks in advance...BUD


    If you're craving carbs it's because you're not getting enough of them, are eating too many simple carbs and bouncing your insulin, or have to few calories.

    Eat.

    Eat small meals, often, and your blood sugar will be more stable and you'll feel a bunch better, and actually eat less bad stuff.

    Eat. Smalls meal. Often.
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    Nov 15, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    I was hoping you'd give ur perspective, chuckystud. Thanks for that!!!
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    Nov 15, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREYou forgot corn, potatoes, milk, juice, fruits and various seasonings.


    Various seasonings? !!! Hahahaha. How long can you live on various seasonings?

    Caslon3billion: just cos u ain't getting any. mwah mwah
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    Nov 15, 2010 9:10 PM GMT
    redheadguy said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREYou forgot corn, potatoes, milk, juice, fruits and various seasonings.


    Various seasonings? !!! Hahahaha. How long can you live on various seasonings?



    I meant like bbq sauce, dressings, vinegars icon_razz.gif Man I wish I could live off paprika.


    Also you can totally eat cheese, most are very low carb if not carb free.
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    Nov 15, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    i dont eat bread except on my cheat days. i try to keep the carbs low by eating non processed carbs
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    Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM GMT
    Try toasted ezekiel bread with almond butter.
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    Nov 16, 2010 7:07 AM GMT
    A year ago November 2009 I was diagnosed with type II Diabetes. The Nutritionist and Doctor said I had to go on a diabetic low carb diet. November 2009 I weighed 215 lbs. Today I weighed in at 177 lbs!

    Through trial and error, I found a few food items to replace bread. One is a high fiber low carb tortilla. Look for Mission brand Carb Balance Whole Wheat Tortillas small size. I buy them at Wal-Mart. It has 12 g of Carbohydrates and this is the important part, it has 8 grams of fiber. The Nutritionist taught me that you can subtract the fiber from the carbohydrates. So 12 g of carbs minus 8 grams of fiber equals 4 carbs.

    When you are shopping for bread look at the carbs and fiber. The higher the fiber the more you can subtract from the carbs.

    I spread peanut butter on to the tortilla and a banana and roll it up and eat it. The pb is 7 carbs minus 2 gr of fiber equals 5 grams. The banana is 23 carbs. The sandwich is 32 carbohydrates.

    Make a chicken or chicken salad sandwich on a tortilla with lettuce. Chicken is 0, lettuce is 0, tortilla is 4 grams of carbohydrates. A 4 carb sandwich. Sound good?

    I've included the Low Carb Diet below:

    The beauty of the diet is that it is extremely simple. Don't worry, a non-diabetic can use the diet. Here is the diet.

    45-60 grams of Carbs at each of 3 main meals each day.
    15-30 grams of Carbs at each of 2 breaks per day.
    Daily total carbs: 180-240 grams per day

    If you stay at the low end of the scale...45 Carbs for meals, 15 Carbs for breaks, 180 grams of carb per day, you will loose weight. If you go to higher end of the scale, 240 grams of carbs, you will maintain weight.

    You can start to learn what carbs are in foods by checking the Food Nutrition List on the back of any food. While you are looking at the Carb content, look to see if there is any fiber contained in the food. You can subtract the fiber from the Carbs.
    Example: bread 24 grams of Carbs also contains 4 grams of fiber.
    24 carbs minus 4 grams of fiber equals 20 carbs.

    Food, in this case, is divided into 3 groups:
    Protein: is usually 0 grams of carbs
    Vegetables: are usually 0 grams of carbs
    Fruits & Sugars: too many carbs

    Protein is like: meats, fish, cheeses, peanut butter
    Vegetables: green vegetables
    Sugars: just about any food that is white, potatoes, white bread, beans, banana, cakes, pies. But find out the carbs of these foods, and if you can stay within your daily carb count you can eat some of these sugars. Avoid fruit juices...too much sugars.

    Much success on your low carb diet!

    Murray
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    Nov 16, 2010 7:10 AM GMT
    I let myself eat bread but limit it to the stone ground whole wheat variety. If it is a real weakness for you, though, my suggestion is to just not have it around the house. If it isn't there, you can't eat it!
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    Nov 16, 2010 7:24 AM GMT
    I like whole grain, organic craft breads. A loaf of real, one serving sized slices (maybe 5"x"5"x1/4") lasts for a couple weeks. A slice or two a day as part of your total carb intake won't ruin a balanced diet.
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    Nov 16, 2010 7:47 AM GMT
    Just thought I'd share.... I had a big chocolate-chocolate chip muffin today and it was so good I almost came in my pants. WHATS UP?!? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 16, 2010 7:57 AM GMT
    Its' not what you eat, it's how much you eat it. Yes, I sound like a broken frickin' record. but it's true.

    For 30+ years, it's been drilled into my American consciousness that sweets, breads, et al were death waiting. So, I go to Europe for 6 months and lo and behold, those people eat sweets and pastries with no "I really shouldn't" comments. The key is, they dont' pig out on them. And these people (in Madrid) were all in fantastic shape. Can't imagine how ripped they would have been if they toned thier muscles in the gym, but DAMN they were all very very sexy. And I'm talking almost everyone I ran into.

    So, the moral of the story is: don't deprive yourself of what you love. Allow yourself the indulgence, but limit your intake. By minimally satisfying your cravings, you will limit your propensity to binge. Plain and simple.

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    Nov 16, 2010 3:02 PM GMT
    Make your own bread with a mixture of Wholemeal flour, Garaam Flour and Crushed nuts....... should give a high percentage of protein.
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    Nov 16, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
    I'm not talking about cutting out bread totally......But it's like I'm addicted to the stuff.....I don't want a food item to control my ass...just sayin....
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    Nov 16, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    Ciarsolo said
    muscles4muscles said


    As a side note, THANK YOU for calling pain au chocolate by it's correct name. It's a pet peeve of mine when people call it a "chocolate croissant" which makes no sense. It's not even crescent-shaped.


    Fuckers...I say we tie them to a post and beat them with a stick


    Depends on the stick.
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    Nov 16, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    KardioKing saidJust thought I'd share.... I had a big chocolate-chocolate chip muffin today and it was so good I almost came in my pants. WHATS UP?!? icon_biggrin.gif


    FUCK THE MUFFIN....COME OVER AND I'LL SAY BYE BYE TO BREAD 4EVER
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    Nov 16, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    mybud saidI'm not talking about cutting out bread totally......But it's like I'm addicted to the stuff.....I don't want a food item to control my ass...just sayin....


    http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-do-morphine-blocking-drugs-make-you.html
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    Nov 16, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    Ok mybuyd, looks like this is going to be the best tip you are going to get with this forum. So listen up...Switch to wheat products, such as whole wheat pasta, wheat bread, they even have whole wheat pizza crust. Yes they still have carbs but did you know that for every gram of fiber cancels out one gram of carb? Fiber lowers your net carbs. Carbs - fiber = net carbs. They say it's true. The first time I heard it was several years ago, from Dr. Ozz, on Operah Winfrey. I'm going to say that it's not so bad to eat oatmeal for breakfast just as long as you aren't consumeing too many calories when you do. I recommend buying the box of oatmeal with the little packets of oatmeal, as to help you control how much of it you eat. I think one packet is only 160 cals. You might be surprised to find that one packet can be enough to get you through. Try eating eggs 2 or 3 times per week. Scambled eggs with cheese add in chopped onion, mushroom, green onion=delicious virtually carb free breakfast.
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    Nov 16, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    Oh god you guys are making me feel so bad about my diet. I eat almost 6-8 slices of bread everyday lol. But even then am not gaining weight : (. As for bread if you choose Whole wheat or whole grain breads, they are good for you.
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    Nov 16, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
    EastCoastNAZ saidIts' not what you eat, it's how much you eat it. Yes, I sound like a broken frickin' record. but it's true.

    For 30+ years, it's been drilled into my American consciousness that sweets, breads, et al were death waiting. So, I go to Europe for 6 months and lo and behold, those people eat sweets and pastries with no "I really shouldn't" comments. The key is, they dont' pig out on them. And these people (in Madrid) were all in fantastic shape. Can't imagine how ripped they would have been if they toned thier muscles in the gym, but DAMN they were all very very sexy. And I'm talking almost everyone I ran into.

    So, the moral of the story is: don't deprive yourself of what you love. Allow yourself the indulgence, but limit your intake. By minimally satisfying your cravings, you will limit your propensity to binge. Plain and simple.




    One big thing that Europe has going for it is that they've banned high fructose corn syrup. I don't think it's just a coincidence that Americans started having a problem with obesity after it was added more and more to foods. Foods high in carbohydrates(cereal, some breads, etc.) also have the most hfcs in them. I think the hfcs is more the culprit than the carbohydrates. Lots of people around the world eat plenty of carbs and aren't fat. The same was true of Americans before the use of hfcs.
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    Nov 16, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
    jerseywoof saidbread is not bad for you, I dont get why people have that idea in their head. That does not mean you can eat a half a loaf a day but...stick to ryes or whole wheat. Sweet and cinnamon rolls should be avoided except when you really want it


    Our bodies aren't really designed to eat processed carbs (bread pasta etc) just like cows can't eat corn. Processed carbs and processed sugar are the deadly duo that made amercans obese, diabetic etc.
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    Nov 16, 2010 5:20 PM GMT
    Actually, that's not really true. It's more about quantity than anything else. It is true that fast sugars invoke a greater insulin response, and that can be both good and bad. Small meals, often, even with sugar, are much better than large meals infrequently. You NEED some sugar to drive insulin response, anabolism, and to drive appetite, and, in a Real Jock, sugar post workout is BETTER for glycogen replenishment. Nature ABOUNDS in fast sugars in fruits everywhere. You'll what to study up on carbs to obtain a fuller understanding.

    Understanding the relationship of insulin production, exercise, and lean muscle mass are important.

    With regard to cows, their stomachs are designed for eating grass, and corn sugar (i.e. corn) put to them in the amounts to get them to market compromises the cow's health (they get fat), but, that's all relative: the cow is headed to the slaughter house in the fastest way possible so that folks have inexpensive protein.

    For folks who want to optimize training results sugar can be essential in helping with anabolism and getting insulin to the point needed to optimize that anabolism. You'll have much better training results with simple carbs in your diet, especially post workout in the golden hour for carb uptake.

    That understanding is why we now see lean bodybuilders at 300. They understand that relationship.

    If you've seen "skinny fat" it's because they don't eat the right things in the right way, invoke insulin in the wrong way, and don't get adequate calories.

    Americans are fat not because sugar is evil (it's in nature everywhere) but because they eat large portions, slam it with HUGE amounts of sugar in the form of soft drinks, and that sugar invokes an insulin response that store all that fat, and carbs, and they don't exercise. I eat 4800 calories a day to get lean, and I slam candy while I'm doing it, but, the trick is in being active, eating small meals, and not eating so much sugar (like soft drinks) that you end up with 100grams of simple carbs that tips your insulin up side down, which then causes you to go hypoglycemic which then causes you to binge.
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    Nov 17, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    I see nothing wrong with bread but I believe it should be eaten in moderation. Once you chosed to eat bread try and go for the ones that are low in sodium and high in fiber. White bread is as good as pure cane or beet sugar!