Nov 23, 2010 7:34 PM GMT
riddler78 saidmocktwinkie saidriddler78 saidmocktwinkie saidBut the world is already headed toward unsustainable overpopulation -- there's no way around it.
On this we definitely disagree - no, we're really not. It's this myth that gives birth to highly destructive policies that disadvantage most countries that seek to develop. In this zero sum world, it gives rise to downright evil ideas like forced sterilization / depo prevera in the developing world.
A somewhat simplistic look - but it does illustrate the point:
Yes, we certainly disagree on this. Which countries "seeking" development are being "held back"?
I wouldn't and haven't said that it's overpopulation policies that are holding back development - that's strictly in the realm of bad governments/policies which may or may not be compounded by the rationale of overpopulation. (The history of depo prevera is widely known at least in development circles - and forced sterilization is evil). One obvious country though that will need to deal with significant issues as a result of concerns about overpopulation is China - but this is but a series of problems it will need to deal with.
Incidentally, any arguments of overpopulation relate to projections based on current usage that have proven to be consistently wrong in hindsight. Do you have any other evidence that suggests overpopulation is a real concern? (as you note yourself however, this is an important argument to understand given the alternative is the "let them all die" attitude it gives logical rise to).
I suppose exploring some real concrete evidence could be helpful in this case, but just from an observationally obvious standpoint there is limited land and water and differing degrees of consumption depending on one's lifestyle. To say that the earth can endlessly support population growth as well as high quality of lifestyle without some people dying of starvation or thirst along the way, just doesn't seem to make sense.