Mutual Masturbation and frottage. Is it sex or foreplay? Can it satsify you as the ultimate intimate act?

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  Dec 09, 2010 6:45 AM GMT

  In many circles, sex is essentially defined by "top" and "bottom". Can you enjoy sex outside of those categorizations? Must penetration occur for you to define your experience as having had "sex"? I'm curious about how other guys feel?

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  Dec 09, 2010 7:15 AM GMT

  Oh yeah! Frottage is hot! It's actually my favorite form of sex. I don't think there has to be penetration for it to be considered sex.

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  Dec 09, 2010 7:42 AM GMT

  Mutual masturbation can satisfy me, yes. No need for penetration if the partner knows how to play

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  Dec 09, 2010 11:22 AM GMT

  Mmmm peanuts are wonderful. As a nibble, like before the meal really starts. You can also include peanuts in proper food too.
  
  But just eat peanuts?

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  Dec 09, 2010 11:55 AM GMT

  If I have an orgasm and there is another man in the room... it's sex.. SCORE
  
  

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  Dec 09, 2010 12:48 PM GMT

  Bigsmiles saidIf I have an orgasm and there is another man in the room... it's sex.. SCORE
  
  

  
  My partner has framed Egyptian images all over the walls in our dining room, and this depiction of circumcision is one of them. I believe the ancient original is a stone wall carving, on which this faux-papyrus colored repro is based. The version we have is roughly 9" x 13" in a larger matted frame, and I've always thought it an odd thing to have near the table when eating, especially when we have female guests.

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  Andreas73 saidOh yeah! Frottage is hot! It's actually my favorite form of sex. I don't think there has to be penetration for it to be considered sex.

  
  I lived with a guy for about a year who had been through the AIDS crisis in NYC during the 1980s. He was really terrified of contracting HIV, and so wouldn't do anal at all, but did allow mutual masturbation & frottage. He wouldn't blow me, either, but let me do him.
  
  His method of frottage was to have me lie on my stomach naked in bed, while he lay outstretched on top of me. He'd rub his hardon hands-free against my ass crack, usually without lube, until he shot all over my back. I found it surprisingly soothing & relaxing, like a massage, so much so that sometimes I'd fall asleep during it!
  
  He didn't mind too much my doing that, since my role was completely passive and facing away from him. Unless I started snoring, and then he'd tap me awake. He also did me from the front a few times, his dick rubbing along my groin, but I liked that less, lacking the wonderful feeling of tranquility I got when he was working my ass.
  
  The other thing we did that I initiated was double masturbation. I'd straddle him at his hips while he lay on his back, facing him, and lube us both up. Then I'd lock my fingers together and sandwich both our dicks together between my palms and stroke them in unison.
  
  For some reason I've always enjoyed doing this with a guy, not only for the sensation, but also the visual stimulation. And most guys like it, too, usually able to get off with me that way if they want, or it just makes good foreplay. Only problem is that it works best with dicks of the same size, so I won't try it with small ones. Plus some guys are embarrassed to have their manhood so obviously compared with side-by-side contact, if they're considerably smaller than me. But I do consider it having sex.

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  Dec 09, 2010 2:34 PM GMT

  It's sex.

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  Dec 09, 2010 2:47 PM GMT

  Its sex ...... and sex that I really like with the right guy.
  
  I have been very satisfied without penetrative sex with both men and women.

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  Dec 09, 2010 4:04 PM GMT

  I often wonder how guys feel, because I was once severely ridiculed by a group of gay men where I live who were actually affiliated at the time with a local gay newspaper (backwards Long Island) for not being "into" topping or bottoming---and not willing to refer myself as a "top" or a "bottom". Personally, and this goes way back, I have always been attracted and sexually satisfied by men but I have never been attracted to penetrative (especially anal) sex. I am very lucky because I had a BF who was HIV positive for a year or two in the 80s back in the time when men in the NYC area were wiped out quickly by HIV/AIDS and if I had been into "topping" or "bottoming", I'd probably not be here today.

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  Dec 09, 2010 4:43 PM GMT

  It's sex, and it's hot! There are many of us for whom anal penetration is not the only game in town, or even a preferred activity.

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  Dec 09, 2010 7:06 PM GMT

  I had a bf fr a year and we never had penetrative sex

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  Dec 09, 2010 7:28 PM GMT

  that sounds hot , love that and fleshlights

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  Dec 09, 2010 7:34 PM GMT

  Bigsmiles saidIf I have an orgasm and there is another man in the room... it's sex.. SCORE
  
  

  
  
  
  why are the dark skinned men servicing the light skinned men?

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  Dec 09, 2010 10:25 PM GMT

  Yep - I just had some frottage and it was sex. Thought I better try it again before avering so positively before that it was sex.

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  Dec 09, 2010 10:40 PM GMT

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  Bigsmiles saidIf I have an orgasm and there is another man in the room... it's sex.. SCORE
  
  

  
  
  
  why are the dark skinned men servicing the light skinned men?

  
  Good question. I'm not sure if they're "servicing" them (your term) or providing a professional service.
  
  As I said in a post above, I believe the original ancient image on which this is based was a colorless wall carving. This is a modern version adding color. I'm not sure any pigment survived from the original stone relief. This may be an arbitrarily colored image, not true to the original. I will try to find the original and post it here.

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  Dec 09, 2010 10:50 PM GMT

  Sure, I'll do the mutual masturbation and frottage thing. Maybe it's a first or second date kind of intimacy. But I don't get totally satisfied until there is penetration of some sort, preferably anal. But that's just because I'm an old horn dog I guess.

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  Dec 09, 2010 11:05 PM GMT

  Art_Deco said

  BeachBiMan said

  Bigsmiles saidIf I have an orgasm and there is another man in the room... it's sex.. SCORE
  
  

  
  
  
  why are the dark skinned men servicing the light skinned men?

  
  Good question. I'm not sure if they're "servicing" them (your term) or providing a professional service.
  
  As I said in a post above, I believe the original ancient image on which this is based was a colorless wall carving. This is a modern version adding color. I'm not sure any pigment survived from the original stone relief. This may be an arbitrarily colored image, not true to the original. I will try to find the original and post it here.

  
  OK, here's the best online image of the original wall carving i could find on short notice, on which this modern image is based. I see no colors, leading me to wonder if the skin tones to which you refer have been arbitrarily applied, for reasons I cannot guess.
  
  

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  Dec 09, 2010 11:36 PM GMT

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  Citrushills saidI often wonder how guys feel, because I was once severely ridiculed by a group of gay men where I live who were actually affiliated at the time with a local gay newspaper (backwards Long Island) for not being "into" topping or bottoming---and not willing to refer myself as a "top" or a "bottom".

  
  
  Gays are some of the meanest, most judgmental people you'll ever encounter.

  That's the fucking truth.
  I even get ridiculed and picked on by STRAIGHT guys for not being into anal. They're like "dude, are you really gay?" I'm like "come on over and get naked if you really wanna find out."

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  paulflexes said

  southbeach1500 said

  Citrushills saidI often wonder how guys feel, because I was once severely ridiculed by a group of gay men where I live who were actually affiliated at the time with a local gay newspaper (backwards Long Island) for not being "into" topping or bottoming---and not willing to refer myself as a "top" or a "bottom".

  
  
  Gays are some of the meanest, most judgmental people you'll ever encounter.

  That's the fucking truth.
  I even get ridiculed and picked on by STRAIGHT guys for not being into anal. They're like "dude, are you really gay?" I'm like "come on over and get naked if you really wanna find out."

  
  
  dude, that is what i tell my straight friends when they ask me about not getting anally penetrated.

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  DanceNFightR said

  paulflexes said

  southbeach1500 said

  Citrushills saidI often wonder how guys feel, because I was once severely ridiculed by a group of gay men where I live who were actually affiliated at the time with a local gay newspaper (backwards Long Island) for not being "into" topping or bottoming---and not willing to refer myself as a "top" or a "bottom".

  
  
  Gays are some of the meanest, most judgmental people you'll ever encounter.

  That's the fucking truth.
  I even get ridiculed and picked on by STRAIGHT guys for not being into anal. They're like "dude, are you really gay?" I'm like "come on over and get naked if you really wanna find out."

  
  
  dude, that is what i tell my straight friends when they ask me about not getting anally penetrated.

  Can I be one of your straight friends?

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  Dec 10, 2010 12:08 AM GMT

  vacyclist saidIt's sex, and it's hot! There are many of us for whom anal penetration is not the only game in town, or even a preferred activity.

  
  
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  vacyclist saidIt's sex, and it's hot! There are many of us for whom anal penetration is not the only game in town, or even a preferred activity.

  
  
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  +2 Much prefer frottage honestly; find it a lot hotter.

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  Definitely sex and hot. Maybe it's a product of my coming out during the AIDS crisis, but it seems like there is a lot more focus on anal these days. Back then you were either "French" or "Greek", and since neither were considered safe it wasn't something to do on a first date but only after you got to know someone and developed a level of trust. (Though that may have been less true for someone into cruising/hookups than dates.)
  
  Perhaps all this talk of "top" and "bottom" (as well as "topping", etc.) is a sign of sexual liberation (or "perversion" in an era when sexual hookups can be ordered practically off a menu; personals back then were more romantic and for sex you hit the streets, cruising without such textual verbage, though I suppose there was the hanky code).
  
  What was it like before AIDS, in the 1970s - a decade known for its sexual liberation?
  

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  [quote][cite]Caesarea4 said[/cite
  What was it like before AIDS, in the 1970s - a decade known for its sexual liberation?
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  An endless array of men, looking and taking what they wanted, which was fine for them; I dabbled, wanting more.
  
  All sorts of intoxicants, wild parties, and rather busy VD clinics (and I'm really understating that).
  
  -Doug
  

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