Do we make this to complicated???

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  Mar 18, 2008 11:38 PM GMT

  I get so frustrated and overwhelmed sometimes of all the information thats out there now for supplements, working routines and etc...try this, do that, dont do this, no you should do that, take this, take that, blah blah blah...
  
  What about the bodybuilders 20-30 years ago that didnt have all these supplements to take? And didnt have specialization machines and all this crap. They were just figuring out some of the new techniques people use today for working out but they still had great bodies..Steve Reeves and etc.
  
  What about the guys in jail? I read stories and have seen before and after pics of them in Muscular Development that would blow you away!!! These guys get 3 meals a day (not 6) and some have NO workout equipment but they gain muscle and are ripped!!!!
  
  Do you think we make too much out of all this information? Should we just go back to the basics and eat our real food and do our basic workouts?
  
  Another thing that kills me is these pro bodybuilders doing ads for some new supplement saying they use it to get in that kinda shape!! They have been working out for 10 years alot of them!! Do they really think we are that stupid that buying that supp is going to make us look like them when they didn't use it to look like that???
  
  
  Ugh!!! sorry I just had to vent...I get alot of muscle mags and read the hell out of them for inspiration and advice but I get overwhelmed and irritated sometimes.
  
  What do you think?

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  Mar 18, 2008 11:53 PM GMT

  I cook on campus here, so I see what a lot of the decently built guys eat. It would make most members on here cringe I'm sure, but they're still in good shape. I have no idea if they're taking sups on the side or not, but I'd imagine most of them can't afford any.
  
  I don't know though... when I was taking a protein shake after lifting, I was getting some nice results.
  
  As far as the models selling stuff... well, that's just how advertising works. They rely on the stupid people of the world to fall for and buy their products.

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  Mar 19, 2008 2:14 AM GMT

  I agree on the advertising. I had a friend who said he knew people that got paid to fatten up so they could do before and after photos. and we wonder why some people get so put off on the whole "getting fit" thing. they think they can pop a pill, then go back and sit on the couch eating bon-bons.
  Here's my all time favorite ad, but not for supplement, just a piece of equipment.
  

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  Mar 19, 2008 2:48 AM GMT

  It's like with anything else. There's a boat-load of information out there, from vitamins and supplements, to workout regiments and exercises, and then back full circle to nutrition and dietary needs and balances.
  
  But also with anything else, the field changes. I mean, look at the technology industry and how much it's grown in the past 100 years, or even just the past 20 years. Same thing with the fitness and bodybuilding fields. They discover that what used to work isn't as effective as what they've developed, be it a new supplement, new branch chained amino acid, or combination of vitamins and minerals that will support or compliment.
  
  You just need to sort through what you want, what you're interested in, and look at it closely at your own pace. Not everything is going to be a winner, but eventually you'll find something that'll work for you and fit you like a pair of Underarmor shorts.

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  Mar 19, 2008 3:15 AM GMT

  you meant too complicated. Not to. Ha - I make more spelling errors than anyone!!

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  Mar 19, 2008 4:39 AM GMT

  Yea! I love all the "Ab" machines, the ab lounger ab do'er, etc. They all imply that they will define your abs! Yea but under layers of fat! They never mention that diet, cardio, and lifting is the key to success. Not some magic isolation machine. Maybe it will work for the guy that wants more definition in his abs, if he already has a low body fat %.
  
  I laugh at fitness ads, infomercials, and such. All those supplement ads with the muscle guys that "got Fat" and then cut up in 6 weeks, such bull. You can only process so much protein before your body stops using it.
  
  Perhaps if they found a drug that would activate the bodies ability to burn fat an prevent excess fat storage, then they are on to something.

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  Mar 19, 2008 5:45 AM GMT

  hmm, my personal opinion is that more than 99% of all [fitness] advertising is grossly misleading, severely omitting, or entirely false.
  
  eat healthy, sleep well, exercise well, avoid stress.
  
  it works really really REALLY good.

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  Mar 19, 2008 7:00 AM GMT

  redbull saidI get alot of muscle mags and read the hell out of them for inspiration and advice but I get overwhelmed and irritated sometimes.
  
  What do you think?

  
  
  I think you should stop reading the mags. Save yourself money, time, and irritation.
  
  That'll be $5.
  
  K

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  Mar 20, 2008 2:02 AM GMT

  Or all these frat guys with amazing abs who do little to no cardio and are doing keg stands all day. Somebody explain!

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  Mar 20, 2008 10:30 AM GMT

  It's very true...
  how many times do you need to re-invent the wheel?
  actually sometimes these machines are more detrimental than not
  a few of them put more pressure on my joints and I have to stay away from them
  when all else fails
  there's always the tried and true free weights

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  Mar 20, 2008 11:35 AM GMT

  There are an incredible number of ways you can do workouts with a medicine ball. Frankly I find the ball far more effective at developing finesse and control since you have so much work to do with balancing your body as you work out with just your body weight. If you don't think this is a worthwhile way to work out hard, you haven't spent 30 minutes on the ball.

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  Mar 20, 2008 12:56 PM GMT

  juliogarciaOr all these frat guys with amazing abs who do little to no cardio and are doing keg stands all day. Somebody explain!

  
  
  
  its because they do TONS of coke or crack or some other type of metyabolic enhancver. i know guys who are extremely cut, eat whatever they want and never go to the gym...i later find out they snort crack.
  
  my ex used to sell coke. he told me how less you crave food and how quickly u loose weight.

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  Mar 20, 2008 1:16 PM GMT

  Clearly you haven't looked at the old victorian health ads.
  
  Terrible health, excericise, and supplement information is nothing new, it's been around since the days of snake oil. Those vibrating platforms? Just the newest innovation on a bunk weightloss plan from the first days of electricity (when they basically attached a motor to a vibrating belt you wore).
  
  That's always the thing with information, you have to sift through it and interpret it to get anything useful out of it. There has always been misinformation about health, and likely there always will be. The myth of spot reduction will never die.

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  Mar 20, 2008 2:11 PM GMT

  Yeah. Just play hard and through your comfort zone. Eat well. Drink plenty of water and sleep enough.
  
  Next? ;-)

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  Mar 20, 2008 7:57 PM GMT

  Simple answer yes.
  
  
  Long answer:
  Why?So that the supplement companies can justify the sales of their products. Granted our diets are less than pure as they should be as we eat way too much processed food and junk food and drinks.
  
  But the principles havent changed.
  
  Trainers are just as bad, alot of people put it down to poor quality trainers yet I know that a couple of chain gyms inform their trainers that they must provide a specific type of workout even tho those trainers know it is not best suited for the individual. Again the trainer wants a continual client, but in my mind a PT who is honest open and gives good advice on diet, training and nutrition will get more repeat business and more clients based on his achievements.
  
  How do we get our information? from the fitness magazines and websites. Why? Because companies like Rodale make minimal money on sales of magazines, some mags are actualy loss leaders from sales but they get their major income from the advertisers ie the supplement companies

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  Mar 20, 2008 8:00 PM GMT

  re the prisoners issue you see this one raised alot. If you are on a restrictive diet and have time on your hands you will get a great physique
  
  One of the most laughable things I see is people assuming they need an enormous calorie jump from day one to build muscle. Ask them why and they simply cant answer. They eat far far in excess of what they actually need
  
  
  re the basic workout well yes and no is the answer to that. yes in so much as as long as that basic workout includes progression in weights and reps then all good. But muscle memory and getting bored with a routine soon lead to failure to respond or achieve. Its not that it wont respond just to a lesser rate

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  Mar 21, 2008 10:38 AM GMT

  Not sure why everyone is zoning in on advertising, its much much more than that it is fitness and nutrition advice in general and the mass populations current obsession with reading paraphrased or even full studies base on a variety of articles and sources. Not magical advertising but all the theories and faddy trends perpetuated by the fitness industry be ait a medicin ball or the latest kettle ball craze and the over complication of food manipulation.
  
  It was pretty funny reading the first post as it actually as thats the exact thought process I went through when I started taking fitness seriously.
  
  Then I started reading into that thought process and researching and voila it all became clear. All the reading and all the great muscle philosophers whilst they had their place, had proven that it was a waste of energy.
  
  Why because whilst I understood it I wasnt a lab rat, I wasnt a sample study or a randomised trial I was a person who had a life. All the factors they discussed and articulated so well with scientifics facts made up less than 20% of my time it was the 80% I needed to focus on and that was my basic lifestyle, nutrition and the way I trained.
  
  Good old Pareto sure knew what he was talking about with his 80/20 rule :-)

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  Mar 22, 2008 6:26 PM GMT

  guitarboi85 said[quote][cite]juliogarcia[/cite]Or all these frat guys with amazing abs who do little to no cardio and are doing keg stands all day. Somebody explain!

  
  
  
  its because they do TONS of coke or crack or some other type of metyabolic enhancver. i know guys who are extremely cut, eat whatever they want and never go to the gym...i later find out they snort crack.
  
  my ex used to sell coke. he told me how less you crave food and how quickly u loose weight.[/quote]
  
  The ones I know also smoke marijuana are all really cut and big. I can't explain it. I see it tons through my college. People with no diet ethics and are skinny and cut. Good genetics I guess.

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