How can people vote for a Bigot"race baiter", and Clinton for president, who is just as bad a bush.

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    Mar 26, 2008 11:14 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI consider myself a staunch "Bushy" Republican and...


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    Mar 26, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
    I'm sorry, I am not trying to "diss" anyone who responded to this (because I find myself doing the same thing", but why support the "deleted or hidden" RJ "member" who started this. If you can make claims one way or another about any of the presidential candidates, at least post your name and face.
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    Mar 26, 2008 11:47 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI consider myself a staunch "Bushy" Republican and I really don't want to see Senator Obama become the President but; I find nothing at all wrong with Senator Obama's speach, I find it refreshingly honest.
    In our politically correct landscape he is the only one who can traverse it. He is the only candidate who can address the issue. It's an issue that needs to be addressed openly and fairly. This has been a festering wound for decades and it needs to be drained and healed. Enough is enough!


    Since this matter has been given new steam, we can't wait for any one person to help with the healing. We all have to do our part to help drain this wound. Projection and insults are finding renewed ferver and if it doesn't stop, there will be no way to have an open discussion about race. I get tripped up by this just as much as anyone else.

    All races need to recognize and own our remarks and every implication that is understood, whether it's intended or not. We need to listen to each other and compassionately hear the other points of view and accept all valid generalizations and try to reconcile what we don't see as valid. We may not be able to fully agree on things due to a disparity between education and experience, but we can come to some kind of common ground if we try.

    I want the discussion to happen. I'll try to temper my remarks, no matter how hard it is to not speak my mind. I may fail at times if the flame is hot enough, but I'll try.
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    Mar 26, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
    Well they elected a cokehead alchy failed oilmen AWOL momma's boy twice. What do you expect?
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    Mar 27, 2008 2:04 PM GMT
    Great responses here to this totally off the wall reaction to Obama's speech !!! how In the world - hidden/deleted could you draw the conclusions that you did from his speech about race that even the Bushies are saying was great, and many of them saying it overcame the flack about his preacher Wright. And John43620 !!!!! DAMN !!! WE AGREED ON THIs !!!! THIS IS A DAY TO MARK DOWN ON THE CALENDAR !!! HA !!! THIS TIME I LIKED YOUR RESPONSE VERY MUCH, NOW I DON'T LOOK AT YOU AS SUCH A DIE HARD NEOCON AS I DID !!! LOL !!!! (all but the part about you being a bushy that is, we have some work to do there don't we !!!! LOL !!!!)
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    Mar 27, 2008 2:07 PM GMT
    Y'all talking bout Idol, right?
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    Mar 27, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    WATCH THIS VIDEO>> Hilary wasn't lying.
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    Mar 27, 2008 4:41 PM GMT


    While certainly Hillary would be fantastic, comments about Obama really need to have some basis.

    I really don't have any response for this thread.
    It seems to have the same logic an argument as the "Obama is a muslum" rationale.
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    Apr 28, 2008 1:33 PM GMT
    Oh come on, all politicians are the SAME. Sure they come to us with different points of view from their contrasting parties, but their political networks are filled with the same people, they all get kickbacks from big business and they will say such nice things in their campaign run, then turn around and screw everyone and anyone over whom actually bought their two bit story and voted for them. With that, the farce I'm most akin with is Hilary Clinton. I was all for Obama before she came along. He represents something good, other then the old beat dead horse of Christian values, but overall he's more my political polar opposite. Nevertheless, no matter who gets voted in their will be mistakes made, minds changed, values readjusted, and promises forgetten and/or comprimised.

    Sure, there have been great Presidents in American history, but with acknowledgements and perspectives changed the glory of hindsight; it's safe to say that we may never truely EXPERIENCE a great President. Like President Busch, he's a total political and Presidential nightmare, but give it thirty years when the rich puppetiers in elite universities remember and record his deeds of heroism and valor, and we the people of America drop our gaurd and forget the tribulations of the past, and will to sing his praises and remember him for something other than whom he really was.

    I think I'm going to chop down a cherry tree since my ax has reached a sufficiently sharp grind.
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    Seeing as how Clinton and Obama supporters are becoming angrier at the opponent as the race goes on, I'm pretty sure McCain will be the next president. I'm not sour about it though. Things will probably get so bad between 2009 and 2012, that we'll really start looking for change.
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    Apr 29, 2008 4:46 PM GMT
    oh blah, fucking blah, fucking blah blah blah...

    CHANGE? what change? i wish obama and his supporters would articulate this great change... i want specifics, not rhetoric (and not clinton bashing - we all know she's a cunt, that's WHY she has the balls to be the first female president). all i hear is alot of good speech writing with no actual plan for any kind of change. a change in attitude is a good start, but what CHANGE are we talking about here? i don't trust him at all. period. he's a liar and no one calls him out on it in the press.

    how can you be a member of a church for TWENTY YEARS and not know that your pastor is a racist? his connection to a second radical preacher seals the deal for me. how can you accept money from american mosques whose imams are funded by religious leaders currently living in the middle east and not be above boards about it? how can you play the race card and then be holier-than-thou about it when it gets out of control? he's completely disingenuous. also, what is this i've heard about a book his wife is working on/already published that is problematic?

    i will vote for mccain before i'll vote for obama. period.
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    Apr 30, 2008 5:24 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidoh blah, fucking blah, fucking blah blah blah...

    CHANGE? what change? i wish obama and his supporters would articulate this great change... i want specifics, not rhetoric (and not clinton bashing - we all know she's a cunt, that's WHY she has the balls to be the first female president). all i hear is alot of good speech writing with no actual plan for any kind of change. a change in attitude is a good start, but what CHANGE are we talking about here? i don't trust him at all. period. he's a liar and no one calls him out on it in the press.

    how can you be a member of a church for TWENTY YEARS and not know that your pastor is a racist? his connection to a second radical preacher seals the deal for me. how can you accept money from american mosques whose imams are funded by religious leaders currently living in the middle east and not be above boards about it? how can you play the race card and then be holier-than-thou about it when it gets out of control? he's completely disingenuous. also, what is this i've heard about a book his wife is working on/already published that is problematic?

    i will vote for mccain before i'll vote for obama. period.


    Case in point.

    Both hardcore Clinton supporters and Obama supporters are full of shit. Whether Clinton or Obama wins, they'll continue to support American dominance of the globe through economic and militaristic means, they'll continue to keep corporate power thriving, they'll continue to pander to their opponents; so much for the Right's opposition party. Whats the difference? The democrats will probably pull out of Iraq sooner than the republicans.

    Republican or democrat, whoever votes for McCain in November has Iraqi blood on their hands. Bitterness. What it does to a person. Obviously the democrats who are voting republican this election care more about their pet candidate than the hundreds, perhaps thousands, including women and children, dying monthly because of this war.
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    Apr 30, 2008 7:26 PM GMT
    Dancerjack ---You must be listening to a whole lot of Fox, or Rush Limbaughs propoganda to stretch/inflame put spin on anything they can to tare down Obama. If you vote for McCain, your voting to continue bush policies of imperialistic wars (Iran will be next), and to fatten the pockets of the rich at the expense of the (whats left)middle class and the poor. Man Read his policy statements, then got to Obamas site and read his !!! there is a world of Difference !!!
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    Apr 30, 2008 7:54 PM GMT
    Personally, I hope the Democratic convention ends up nominating Gore for president!
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    Apr 30, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    cronker saidY'all talking bout Idol, right?


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    Apr 30, 2008 8:26 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI consider myself a staunch "Bushy" Republican and I really don't want to see Senator Obama become the President but; I find nothing at all wrong with Senator Obama's speach, I find it refreshingly honest.



    If you were indeed as staunch and "Bushy" as you claim, you would hardly feel Senator Obama is refreshing or his speeches inspiring. icon_eek.gif

    This wound you speak of, who do you think is responsible for creating it? At least you admit something is wrong, I give you points there.

    But most importantly, how can you identify with a political party who wants nothing to do with you and your little dog, much less a President who barely tolerates your type and those like you?

    In the spirit of full disclosure, I was Treasurer of my high school chapter of Teenage Republicans, attended Oregon's Republican conference and was registered Republican (thanks Mom & Step Dad!) until 2000. The Grand Ol' Party, no matter how great at its inception, now stands for little good and cares little about people like us. Small government isn't the goal of any political party, it's control and dominance.

    Back to the larger thread topic...

    Does a two-time Senator really have the experience we need in the White House?

    What if Hilary Clinton has fought long enough as an outsider within the system to have become and expert insider? The start of her career may have included strong convictions about civil rights and health care, but does anyone still expect her to be much different that the rest of the boys, dresses and pumps aside?

    I am torn, but confident I'd never to anything as stupid as vote for John McCain.
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    Apr 30, 2008 8:33 PM GMT
    realifedad said Dancerjack ---You must be listening to a whole lot of Fox, or Rush Limbaughs propoganda to stretch/inflame put spin on anything they can to tare down Obama. If you vote for McCain, your voting to continue bush policies of imperialistic wars (Iran will be next), and to fatten the pockets of the rich at the expense of the (whats left)middle class and the poor. Man Read his policy statements, then got to Obamas site and read his !!! there is a world of Difference !!!


    I interpret his response as him being fine with exactly what your post suggests. Maybe someone should ask him why he is voting for McCain.

    It is often easier for most people to make denigrating remarks against an opponent (or someone they do not support) than to make valid supporting argument for whom they do support.

    Something tells me the thought of McCain winning will somehow come to fruition and my anger will manifest as laughter.

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    May 01, 2008 1:05 AM GMT
    Caslon saidPersonally, I hope the Democratic convention ends up nominating Gore for president!
    0---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caslon, I keep seeing articles bringing up this possibility of Gore being brought in as a compromise candidate, I think it would be great too !!!! But from what He has said, he has no interest. It will be interesting to see what happens !!!!
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    May 01, 2008 1:10 AM GMT
    orthojock said[quote][cite]realifedad said[/cite] Dancerjack ---You must be listening to a whole lot of Fox, or Rush Limbaughs propoganda to stretch/inflame put spin on anything they can to tare down Obama. If you vote for McCain, your voting to continue bush policies of imperialistic wars (Iran will be next), and to fatten the pockets of the rich at the expense of the (whats left)middle class and the poor. Man Read his policy statements, then got to Obamas site and read his !!! there is a world of Difference !!!


    I interpret his response as him being fine with exactly what your post suggests. Maybe someone should ask him why he is voting for McCain.

    It is often easier for most people to make denigrating remarks against an opponent (or someone they do not support) than to make valid supporting argument for whom they do support.

    Something tells me the thought of McCain winning will somehow come to fruition and my anger will manifest as laughter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It would be a very cruel joke if McCain gets in wouldn't it !!! We'd have to use "LAUGHTER AS THE BEST MEDICINE" What else could we do eh !!!!!!

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    May 01, 2008 1:41 AM GMT
    I loved my grandmother to death, and I miss her to this very day, but she was one of those people who could not stand a light skinned person of her own race. She was a descendant of Sitting Bull and when she put her hair into two pig tails she looked straight Indian.

    My brother was dating a very nice girl who was light complected, and she once told me that she couldn't stand the girl just because she was light. NO OTHER REASON! She said the same about this young lady that was interested in me, who was light also.

    She also told me that her father, my great grandfather, did not want her to marry my grandfather because "he was too dark!"

    I'm not throwing my grandmother under the bus, but I am using this as an example of the amount of ignorance and hate that can be forced upon a child at a young age.

    I commend Obama for bringing that up. Just because the person who said it is a member of YOUR family doesn't excuse the hate and the hurt and the confusion that can be created.

    Get with it people!!!

    And what is wrong with breaking bread with our enemies if it means even the slightest chance of an avoidance of war?
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    May 01, 2008 3:48 AM GMT
    drakutis saidI loved my grandmother to death, and I miss her to this very day, but she was one of those people who could not stand a light skinned person of her own race. She was a descendant of Sitting Bull and when she put her hair into two pig tails she looked straight Indian.

    My brother was dating a very nice girl who was light complected, and she once told me that she couldn't stand the girl just because she was light. NO OTHER REASON! She said the same about this young lady that was interested in me, who was light also.

    She also told me that her father, my great grandfather, did not want her to marry my grandfather because "he was too dark!"

    I'm not throwing my grandmother under the bus, but I am using this as an example of the amount of ignorance and hate that can be forced upon a child at a young age.

    I commend Obama for bringing that up. Just because the person who said it is a member of YOUR family doesn't excuse the hate and the hurt and the confusion that can be created.

    Get with it people!!!

    And what is wrong with breaking bread with our enemies if it means even the slightest chance of an avoidance of war?
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think your right on this for sure !!! it seems to me that his speach made perfect sense, and that those who found fault with it just were looking for something to "DIGG" about. Obama was being honest from the heart about his true feelings, of course some don't have feelings of any depth, so how would they understand.
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    May 01, 2008 4:28 AM GMT
    Wow, so much to comment on....

    I'll start with the 'gentleman' who needs a refresher in history, re: the Carter Administration nor any of its' so called secret divisions, read CIA, were even bothered with a simple country with a weak king, who supported the United States... It was AFTER the Soviets invaded that unofficially the CIA began to funnel weapons to the resistance, which at it inception, supported the exiled King. It was later that this resistance split into different groups based on tribal ties, the strongest to emerge being the forerunner of the Taliban Government that controlled the capital and the southern land to the Pakistan border.. Reagan did continue Carter's tacit approval of quietly arming them, but also decided to arm all factions against the Soviets, proper at the time, where the Cold War/ Soviets presented the greatest threat. Carter was a good man, yet not one to 'instigate a war.

    Next, also Sen. McCain promised in a least 4 public forums, that if elected, to serve just one term, as he said in order to achieve what needs to be done (fixed) during the next several years, he will need to concentrate on those problems and not worrying about running for re-election, thus eliminating the need for more fund-raising and most politicians fear of upsetting not only their base, which he has already done, but can work to do what is right no matter which side of the aisle the solution came from.

    And speaking of campaign contributions, it was McCain- Feingold [Sen, D-Wisconsin], a very liberal but intelligent thinker, that put limits on the amounts a individual can contribute. YES I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ON THAT AS AN INDIVIDUALS LIMITS OF DONATIONS AS THE SUPREME COURT ALSO RULED, DOES VIOLATE FREE SPEECH. If I can afford to print up book of my support of beliefs and those who agree, well its the same as the Freedom of Speech.

    to be continued, sorry tired...
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    May 01, 2008 4:57 AM GMT
    While I love sushi the rice doesn't really work for my diet. That said, I do still go with my partner and I try to stick to sashimi. I am not going to get into whether or not I eat tuna, that is between my personal saviour and I.

    Diet Coke is good too, but I fear that the aspartame will addle what remains of what I laughingly call a brain (you cannot get it in Italy anyway because Europeans won't drink that - I'll amend that to say you can get it in Rome, Florence, and Venice at bars that serve tourists and that is about it. Otherwise you have to buy it at the grocery store.)

    The more I read the more I admire John43620 (John, WTF is up with those numbers?).

    Personally, I have never been to a sperm bank.

    Now in writing this I have developed a craving for Diet Coke at 7am, that isn't good.

    Does anyone else wonder if Australians get more messages from outer space because they are facing in a different direction? I mean, maybe, just maybe those voices are actually voices.

    Does anyone else who eats a lot of vegetables have problems with flatulence? What can be done about that?

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    May 01, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    Everyone is far over reaching here... the point is.. we're damned if we do, damned if we don't! Politicians will continue to fuck us no matter who we put in office. So all that really matters is that we just vote. There is no UNITING this country, and that idea needs to be thrown out. I'm as idealistic as the next politically active queer, but come on..... Everyone needs to quit bashing the other candidate and say fuck it just vote for whoever wins the nomination. I'm getting out of this country anyway. We don't have equal representation under the law, we can't serve our military and have a partner of the same sex, (they don't care if it IS your private life. "You're immoral and not fit to serve the country") and apparently we're WORSE than terrorists. After I'm done with school, I'm out. This country has gone down the pisser and the most patriotic thing you can do is shake your head in shame, and say thank you to a member of the military when you see them. Thousands are dead needlessly. There is nothing we can do to bring those people back and we continually honor their memory with more bloodshed. We continue to elect corrupt self serving leaders who don't actually listen to the people. When someone is actually willing to listen to what we say and serve the wishes of the people, we'll be better off. Until that day I've lost my faith in the US government, and have the utmost hope that someday I can regain that faith in those who dictate how I can legally live my life.
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    Nov 01, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
    Drop the bigot, race baiter, ect. talk. I have never meet a racist on here and believe me, if I find him/her...

    But enough abought calling or implying race. No one cares on here. Obama, Pelosi, McCain, ect.

    Argue politics. But stop with the racism or implied racism or impliying some one else is racist

    The consevatives on here do not like Obama on political grounds. If you cant debate that you not only suck but you have limited debating skills. Sucks to be you.

    Knock off the racist stuff and knock off the implying racist stuff.