Creationist Lunacy Invades Science Museum.

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    Mar 31, 2008 10:24 AM GMT
    Richard Dawkins said it best when it comes to religion and Science

    “I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.”
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    Mar 31, 2008 10:45 AM GMT
    ShawnTO said[quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite]Look at the bright side, they aren't being taught to be suicide bombers.
    Religion is about political control, nothing more.


    That's as narrow-minded and delusional an opinion as those creationists in the video. Once again you've lumped every single religion together while insulting 90% (if not more) of the worlds population.

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    ShawnTO you should take some assertiveness training to get over your shyness. icon_biggrin.gif

    As for creationism, is their anywhere else in the world where this is popular? It would be interesting to know that.
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    Mar 31, 2008 11:25 AM GMT
    jbedwardsAs for creationism, is their anywhere else in the world where this is popular? It would be interesting to know that.


    This is a fairly interesting point. I have a VERY religious friend - Creationist, Biblical literalist and divorced hyopcrite. But she is a nice woman.

    We've had many indepth discussions about religion and creationism and gay issues. While the Happy Clapper religions are all about creationism in Australia, she says that the idea of The End of Days is uniquely American. It's interesting to see which parts of the story fit in with the various cultures.
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    Mar 31, 2008 1:00 PM GMT
    jbedwards:

    Yes. In the Philippines, I've had a General Biology teacher back in highschool and two teachers in COMPARATIVE ANATOMY and EVOLUTIONARY PRINCIPLES(or something) in college!!! icon_eek.gif

    In fact almost the whole Biology department of that University were creationists and the ones who disagree (the couple of newly hired younger teachers) had to stay quiet. LOL

    It was ridiculous. They'll teach us how fossils were dated one moment and then on the next breath assure us that "this is not true of course, according to the Bible, it is just mankind trying to find reasons which God allows".

    What was horrifying was almost half the class would nod their head wisely with the teacher.
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    Mar 31, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    Aaron_Matthew saidAll of Christianity's principles come from the Bible. I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with parts of the Bible being fabricated, but I don't think you can criticize the Bible without also criticizing Christianity as a whole, since Christianity derives its moral code from the Bible.


    Once again you're putting words into my mouth. It's understandable, having a basic understanding of the subject, it's easy to think that someone is criticising the bible whem calling it a myth. But calling a myth a myth is no more of a criticism than calling a blonde a blonde.



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    Mar 31, 2008 1:39 PM GMT
    jbedwards said[quote][cite]ShawnTO said[/cite][quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite]Look at the bright side, they aren't being taught to be suicide bombers.
    Religion is about political control, nothing more.


    That's as narrow-minded and delusional an opinion as those creationists in the video. Once again you've lumped every single religion together while insulting 90% (if not more) of the worlds population.

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    ShawnTO you should take some assertiveness training to get over your shyness. icon_biggrin.gif

    As for creationism, is their anywhere else in the world where this is popular? It would be interesting to know that.[/quote]

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    Mar 31, 2008 2:15 PM GMT
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    It was ridiculous. They'll teach us how fossils were dated one moment and then on the next breath assure us that "this is not true of course, according to the Bible, it is just mankind trying to find reasons which God allows".


    I've had many conversations with fundamentalist Christians who have no use for evolution whatsoever... until it comes time to point out that gays don't reproduce (so they say) and therefore would die out under the Darwinian model.

    It's funny how quickly anti-evolutionists can turn into Darwinists when it suits them.
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    Mar 31, 2008 3:56 PM GMT
    Ah ShawnTO is on a roll today.

    Interesting point about the Bible being myth. "The Pagan Christ" by Tom Harpur is a fascinating book that makes that point exactly. The bible stories were not meant to be taken literally, they were meant as instructional myths to guide peoples behaviour.

    In today's materialistic world people no longer view myths as viable ways to guide behaviour. If it is not "real" then it is not worthy.

    Over two thousand years ago I would argue that people viewed myths and stories very differently. They viewed them as valid ways of instructing people on great truths. After all the verbal tradition was the main way of communicating, not through books.

    If you brought the people into today's world that first taught these stories they would probably be shocked that there were people that were taking them literally.
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    Mar 31, 2008 7:34 PM GMT
    I know some of you might find this puzzling (hehe), but, I have photographic proof that man and dinosaurs co-existed on Earth.
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    Mar 31, 2008 8:15 PM GMT
    ShawnTO saidOnce again you're putting words into my mouth. It's understandable, having a basic understanding of the subject, it's easy to think that someone is criticising the bible whem calling it a myth. But calling a myth a myth is no more of a criticism than calling a blonde a blonde.


    Now we're just playing with words, I think.

    A criticism is a criticism. Whenever you're being critical of something, you're criticizing it.

    Calling the Bible a fairy tale (although, again, I may not necessarily disagree with this) is being critical of it....

    I dunno, this argument has kinda lost steam. Seems kinda moot now.

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    Mar 31, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    Religion and spiritualism are just superstitions with little or no basis in reality.
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    Mar 31, 2008 8:26 PM GMT
    On 4:15 and 9:00 minutes... they state that both Creationism and Evolution are matters of faith; yet the kids are being taught to only believe in creationism? I'd imagine that if I was a just parent of any faith I'd let my kids know about both and let them decide for themselves, if I were to go around saying that this was a matter of faith.
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    Mar 31, 2008 8:41 PM GMT
    Religion was the 1st form of government.
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    Apr 01, 2008 2:00 AM GMT
    Its odd to me that the greatest share/group of believers in the bible and in totally accepting it by faith, are the same ones who can back the current attrocities of war. Looking back its always been this group of "BELIEVERS" who have backed religious wars all through history. They teach their kids to believe and not question the bible and the preacher, then they are ready when going out into the world as adults to accept what any leader tells them, no questions asked. Come to think of it, all the worlds religions have the same affect don't they?
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    Apr 01, 2008 7:16 AM GMT
    realifedad, That's odd coming from you. I thought you supported the Jihadists. You do in the other subject threads.
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    Apr 01, 2008 2:56 PM GMT
    That video! icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif Yeah, I almost punched my monitor. Certainly the depth of the tour guides' faulty reasoning has me reeling... Are people like that for real? (Sadly they are it seems...) I am flabbergasted they could lead tours without being laughed out the museum.

    It is fanatic adherence to religious idealogy like that which makes me wonder if such folks are actually mentally stable. Isn't fundamentalism a sign of psychological and/or emotional damage?

    Ya know what might "cure" these two biblical literalist guys? Some good ol' wild SEX! icon_twisted.gificon_lol.gif
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:23 PM GMT
    As religions go, the Christians are relatively benign, even the whackos going on about creationism. What I find amazing is how upset you people are about them.
    They aren't violent, the muslims are rabidly violent and you keep quiet, or defend them. Perhaps it's because you feel safe criticizing christian whackos but are too timid to criticize the muslims. Are you afraid they will put out a Fatwah on you? You have nothing to fear from Christians so they're easy to criticise.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:25 PM GMT
    Which Muslims are you talking about? Surely you can't mean all of them, because I've met some rather nice ones.

    Also:

    "Timothy McVeigh"

    You figure out the rest.

    Where does it hurt, John43620?
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    John, you sly dog. You strategically left this picture off your profile page.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:46 PM GMT
    I don't think christianity is benign. It's a myth that starts with "sacrifice a perfect being to get into my heaven" and then ends with "and eat and drink some of him every week". Sounds a touch on the barbaric side to me.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:46 PM GMT
    Xrugger, interesting that you mention Timothy McVey.
    His coconspirator Terry Nichols made several trips to Cebu city in the Phillipines prior to the Oklahoma City bombing and met with Ramzi Yosef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah. McVey and Nichols were rabidly anti-jewish. So, they sought the company of those who shared their views, muslim terrorists. That isn't a conspiracy theory, those are facts. How does a nebish like Nichols get in good with muslim terrorists?

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    Apr 04, 2008 2:49 PM GMT
    Well, John. Sally Kern, while referencing the babble, said you, as a homosexual, are more dangerous to the US than terrorism. In your particular case, I have to agree with her.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:53 PM GMT
    So far.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:54 PM GMT
    McGay saidWell, John. Sally Kern, while referencing the babble, said you, as a homosexual, are more dangerous to the US than terrorism. In your particular case, I have to agree with her.

    I'd second that!
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:55 PM GMT
    McGay, that was kind of lame with the Sally Kern thing.
    I know you, you can do better than that. I've seen it.