Hamas war crime: using Gazans as human shields

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    Aug 13, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas. ...Human Rights Watch researchers found that armed groups endangered civilians by firing rockets from populated areas. ...Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.

    Hamas MP Fathi Hammad> We used women and children as human shields.

    pouncer> [waves of nonsense, lies and diversions]

    And he wonders why most people on RJ agree with jprichva that he's an all around sorry excuse for a human being?

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    Aug 13, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
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    sxydrkhair saidThat guy is so cute










    sxydrkhair, have you noticed the desperation that LIL'AIPAC shows in his name calling and one sided way that he approaches this subject, never making any admisstions to wrong doing from the ZIONIST AGRESSORS who are the ones imprisoning the Gazans and taking land for Settlements as well as fencing in large areas of the West Bank, all acts that are anything but Democratic.

    Note too that LIL'AIPAC never acknowleges or answers any questions about those ZIONIST ATROCITIES, all the while claiming for Israel the position of Victim yet the facts show that while around 1100 Israeli's have died since 2000, in that same period the ZIONIST IDF forces and settlers have killed around 6000 of the Palestinians.


    LIL'AIPAC uses the ZIONIST PROPAGANDA and American AIPAC tactic of lieing and making accusations first and very loudly and frequently repeated, ingnoring and covering any news of their own faults and misdeeds that more often than not precede Palestinian retaliation.


    LIL'AIPAC might should answer who is 'shittier as a human being' ? those who cover truth up as he does to deceive, or someone like you, pouncer and I who seek to expose the truth?


    LIL'AIPAC you have questions to answer !!!



    Answer the questions instead of using all your diversions and calling Pouncer names to avoid the facts.



    Where are your answers ?
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    Aug 14, 2011 5:57 AM GMT
    p> Firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets
    p> HRW have verified [that]

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    Looks like HRW has "verified" that "firing rockets from within populated areas" explicitly "violate[s] the laws of war".
    IT IS A WAR CRIME.

    And pouncer is dithering and making (false) excuses for these terrorist war criminals?!


    Why else would Hamas fire rockets from densely populated areas?!

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    This is a gross violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

    As Human Rights Watch (which pouncer declares an authority) explicitly states:

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas. ...Human Rights Watch researchers found that armed groups endangered civilians by firing rockets from populated areas. ...Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.

    Given pouncer's charade pretending to be concerned with his (faux) principle of international humanitarian law, why won't he condemn Hamas for this?

    Is it because he is a terrorist apologist and supporter?
    Or because he is a vile racist who hates Israelis/Jews more than he cares for Gazans?
    Or because he's an all around shitty excuse for a human being?

    If you answered "yes" to all 3, you're right!
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    Aug 14, 2011 2:20 PM GMT
    Speaking of propaganda, the source for the above picture is the Iranian regime's "PressTV" - which had no reporters on the scene.


    sxydrkhair> Only few Israelis civilians was killed by Hamas' rockets.

    Then why fire them?

    In fact, haven't more Palestinian Arabs been killed by misfired rockets?

    Then why fire them?

    Oh, that's right. Because you - like pouncer and Hamas - hate Israel/Jews more than you care for Gazans.
    Thanks for, again, proving this.


    pouncer> Violating the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ 'Human shielding'

    False. Isn't it amazing either how ignorant or dishonest pouncer is for-the-cause?

    Why else would Hamas fire rockets from densely populated areas if not to use the people as human shields?

    Contrary to your lie, HRW did NOT "verify" what you say.
    It did say:

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    Now try to think: why does this "violate the laws of war"?
    And given that it does - is a war crime endangering Gazans - why won't you condemn it?

    Oh, that's right. Because you hate Israel/Jews more than you care for Gazans and you, an all around shitty excuse for a human being, will happily sacrifice them in the hopes of murdering a few Jews.
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    Aug 14, 2011 2:42 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidCaesarea4, you know kassam rocket is a homemade rocket made and used by Hamas. More likely, homemade rockets doesn't kill that many people while Israel on other hand using powerful rockets against civilians. For example like the white phosphorus against civilian population. Only few Israelis civilians was killed by Hamas' rockets. 10 soldiers and 3 civilians.

    On Palestinians side, more than hundred of civilians died and Children under age of 15. It said 1,314 Palestinians were killed in the conflict, 412 of them children. These numbers are being used by international organisations, like the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). Many died from Israeli missiles, bombs, heavy artillery, tank shells, and small arms fire...

    On March 25, 2009, USA Based Human Rights Organization Human Rights Watch published a 71 page report titled Rain of Fire, Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza and said that Israel's usage of the weapon was illegal.

    White Phosphorus in Gaza:
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    Can you imagine if that is your brother or your father? So stop spewing your hate and your propaganda against the Palestinians. Take your trash somewhere else.



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    So far just the same old avoid the facts if they show the reality about israel from our OBNOXIOUS ZIONIST PROPAGANDIST LIL'AIPAC, and of course the continued false accusations of being a 'shitty excuse for a human being' and a "jew hater"



    LIL'AIPAC, when are you just going to answer questions and admit that Israel is the real Agressor in this. ?


    Stop the childish avoidance tactics and be a big boy and answer the questions ?
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    Aug 14, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair> "Terrorism is to pour white phosphorus on civilians that were shielding inside a UN school. Attacking civilians delegitimizes Israel." - Goldstone report

    E-gads. Another obviously faked "quote".

    Judge Goldstone recants: new evidence/data "indicate that civilians were NOT intentionally targeted" by Israel.
    Unlike by Hamas.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1469998

    sxydrkhair> Only few Israelis civilians was killed by Hamas' rockets.

    In fact, haven't more Palestinian Arabs been killed by misfired rockets?
    So why fire them?


    sxydrkhair> Hello? Are you blind? Gaza is under Israel's illegal blockade and occupation.

    ROTFL.

    Not only is this the usual reversal of causality (Israel's legal blockade of Gaza was the result of Hamas terrorism), but it really doesn't answer the question. As if firing more rockets, seeking to murderl innocent Israeli civilians while managing to kill more Palestinian Arabs, makes the situation better rather than worse?!



    p> Is it your assertion that this picture is a fake?!

    That Iranian PressTV picture is an obvious fake, the injuries sustained by the victim not being consistent with WP use.
    For example, WP would not have blown off his left leg below the knee.
    See also:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/897708


    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    Now try to think: why does this "violate the laws of war"?
    And given that it does - firing rockets from populated areas is a war crime endangering Gazans - why won't you condemn it?

    You can address the topic and at least try to answer the question, or you can once again prove to the world that you are an all around shitty excuse for a human being.
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    Aug 14, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
    Pouncer saidHow can entering uninhabited houses and holding not a soul hostage constitute 'human shielding'??

    Israel, on the other hand, HAS forced residents to stay in buildings they have commandeered into military bases. And they hide behind Gazan civilians on the battlefield. In other words - blatant, bona fide human shielding.

    Your foul "argument" is that any and all rockets from the Gaza Strip are instances of 'human shielding' - due simply to the density of population. And that Israel is therefore entitled to murder 1,400 civilians in response.

    It's an "argument" that doesn't impress me and doesn't obviously in the least impress HRW.

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    PS. Is it your assertion that this picture is a fake?!





    POOR POOR ZIONIST PAIN IN THE ASS LIL'AIPAC, can't handle dealing with the facts by aswering questions about the facts so continues his childish diversions.



    When are you going to answer the questions ?
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    Aug 15, 2011 2:03 AM GMT
    There he goes again with his nattering diversions.

    p> Obviously what we see on his body are the effects of white phosphorus gas

    Really? Then what happened to his left leg?

    That picture is clearly NOT consistent with WP use.
    It is a fake like so many others.

    Which explains why it can only be found on a couple propaganda sites.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/897708


    p> "Israel’s blockade...."

    Is discussed in these topics:

    UN Palmer Commission: Israel's blockade of Gaza is Legal.
    Israel's raid on Mavi Marmara was Legal.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1673969

    Turkel Commission: Israeli soldiers fired at Gaza aid flotilla in self-defence, says inquiry.
    Raid on Gaza-bound ships was legal.
    Israel's blockade of Gaza legal under international law.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1349588

    Why is it that the troll spam propagandists can never discuss an issue in its place?!
    Why do they have such a hard time on each issue, always needing to divert with something else?


    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    Now try to think: why does this "violate the laws of war"?
    And given that it does - firing rockets from populated areas is a war crime endangering Gazans - why won't you condemn it?


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    Aug 15, 2011 2:43 AM GMT
    Well I'll be God Damned, Now LIL'AIPAC, says that the subject he got pouncer on is off the subject and pouncer is discussing it out of its place.



    LIL'AIPAC, YOUR ONE HELL OF A DUMB FUCK !!!!




    now try answering the questions instead of these stupic child like lil'boy games.



    When can we expect some answers ?
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    Aug 15, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidYou guys please don't waste your energy with Caesarea4.



    You know, your probably right, but he so deserves to be questioned and confronted with his bullshit, its kind of interesting to see which tactic he'll fall back on next to avoid the truth, and its working because he's totally exposed himself as everything he labels everyone else that he disagrees with. But after all he is a Fanatic and they rarely see anything but through their fanatic eyes.

    Perhaps we should start some more topics on Israel to expose more of the truth about Israel and let him just talk to himself about his fanaticism. I've been reading from some Jewish sites and there are plenty of topics with lots of information.

    You want to help me with one about Israel's supposed democracy? there is nearly daily events that point out undemocratic actions and from Jewish writers too.
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    Aug 15, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    Now try to think: why does this "violate the laws of war"?
    And given that it does - firing rockets from populated areas is a war crime endangering Gazans - why won't you condemn it?


    sxydrkhair> Only few Israelis civilians was killed by Hamas' rockets.

    In fact, haven't more Palestinian Arabs been killed by misfired rockets?
    So why fire them?


    sxydrkhair> Hello? Are you blind? Gaza is under Israel's illegal blockade and occupation.

    Not only is this the usual reversal of causality (Israel's legal blockade of Gaza was the result of Hamas terrorism), but it really doesn't answer the question. As if firing more rockets, seeking to murder innocent Israeli civilians while managing to kill more Palestinian Arabs, makes the situation better rather than worse?!

    sxydrkhair> please don't waste your energy with Caesarea4

    Once again sxydrkhair reveals that he hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for Gazans.
    While he sits comfortably in Arizona, he sacrifices Gazans for-the-cause.
    Only to then cynically complain of their fate in a futile attempt to use that to rationalize and justify further terrorism.

    Rather than negotiate, compromise and make peace, people like sxydrkhair and pouncer prefer to "fight" and perpetuate the conflict until they can destroy Israel as we know it.
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    Aug 15, 2011 8:19 PM GMT
    idiot for the cause> This thread is about HRW isn't it? In fact I recall it being the expert source cited in the OP:

    topic> Hamas war crime: using Gazans as human shields

    OP> Will pouncer concur with these recommendations to Hamas or turn on his own expert source...?


    No, he'll spew noise ad infinitum seeking to hijack the topic.


    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    Now try to think: why does this "violate the laws of war"?
    And given that it does - firing rockets from populated areas is a war crime endangering Gazans - why won't you condemn it?

    Still no answer?
    Can't figure it out?

    HRW> Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.



    I predict that, once again, the all around shitty excuse for a human being will show no concern for Gazans and instead seek to divert with his usual splattering of nattering nonsense.

    Or perhaps, just once, he'll show some backbone?
    Doubt it. The hate is too strong in him. He isn't capable of it.
    Hamas, the enemy of his enemy (Israel/Jews) is his friend.
    And he will serve as its apologist and support it as his top priority.
    Everyone has already realized that pouncer and sxydrkhair hate Israel/Jews more than they care for the welfare of Gazans.
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    Aug 16, 2011 5:29 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair> Nowhere in this thread I said, "I hate Jews and don't care about Gazans."

    So be clear: do you condemn Hamas for firing rockets at Israeli civilians?

    To the contrary, you just lamented that:

    sxydrkhair> Hamas doesn't have powerful rockets that go directly into Israel. Hamas' rockets aren't that strong. It is nothing like Americans' rockets

    If you disagree with their firing rockets, do you want them to have more powerful rockets?

    Clearly you don't care about innocent Israeli/Jewish civilians and support their murder.
    Just as you made excuses for the murderers of the Fogel family.


    Do you care for Gazans? If not, one would expect you to condemn Hamas and other terrorist groups who fire their rockets not just at Israeli civilians, but from behind Palestinian Arab civilians in Gaza - using them as human shields.

    Do you?
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    Aug 17, 2011 6:49 AM GMT
    topic> Hamas war crime: using Gazans as human shields

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    HRW> Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    You've told us that very few Israelis have been murdered with these rockets.
    Indeed, I think more Gazans have been killed by misfired rockets, etc.

    So, given that you allegedly care for Gazans, you (unlike pouncer) will condemn Hamas for this... right?

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    Aug 17, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    p> Firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets

    Then what makes it a war crime?
    Why won't you condemn it?

    Why does Hamas fire rockets from behind populated buildings?
    Why don't they fire rockets from open areas?


    HRW> Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.

    p> Violat[ing] the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ 'Human shielding'

    Thank you for your ignorant opinion.

    We also know that unable to defend or support it, you will now seek to divert with your off-topic nattering nonsense.
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    Aug 18, 2011 3:46 AM GMT
    As usual, unable to carry on a conversation, the best pouncer can do is repeat his ignorant natterigs.

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    p> Firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets

    Then what makes it a war crime?

    Why does Hamas fire rockets from behind populated buildings?
    Why don't they fire rockets from open areas?

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    Aug 18, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    Given that you allegedly care for Gazans, you (unlike pouncer) will condemn Hamas for this... right?

    sxydrkhair> Israel... Israel... Israel.

    So we again see that you are more interested in making accusations against Israel than in the welfare of Gazans put in harms way by Hamas.
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    Aug 18, 2011 5:54 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidWhy are you ignoring the other sentence in the same paragraph?

    HRW also said, "Laws-of-war violations by Israeli forces included drone-launched missile attacks that killed 29 civilians, the killing of 11 civilians holding white flags, and the use of white phosphorus munitions in densely populated areas."

    Why are you so one-sided?




    Hey LIL'AIPAC !!! LIAR FOR YOUR ZIOINIST COVERUP CAUSE >>>>>>>


    You have questions you need but don't want to answer, are you afraid ?
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    Aug 18, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
    p> As I said...

    As usual, unable to carry on a conversation, the best pouncer can do is repeat his ignorant natterigs.

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    p> Firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets

    What makes it a war crime - as per HRW, which you push as an expert source?

    Why does Hamas fire rockets from behind populated buildings?
    Why don't they fire rockets from open areas?

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    Aug 19, 2011 3:42 AM GMT
    topic> Hamas war crime: using Gazans as human shields

    HRW> Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.

    HRW> Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    You've told us that very few Israelis have been murdered with these rockets.
    Indeed, I think more Gazans have been killed by misfired rockets, etc.

    So, given that you allegedly care for Gazans, you (unlike pouncer) will condemn Hamas for this... right?

    sxydrkhair> [diversions]

    Guess not.
    Once again you have only managed to expose yourself:


    sxydrkhair> me more pro-peace than being a pro-Palestinian.
    ...Hamas is only movement today fighting against Israel's illegal occupation/ blockade.

    So you support Hamas because they are "fighting" (rather than negotiating, compromising and making peace).
    And you want people to believe that you are "pro-peace"?

    Clearly you are not. You are pro-Hamas.


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    Aug 19, 2011 12:55 PM GMT
    HRW:
    Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have frequently violated the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas.
    Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets amounts to “human shielding,” which is a war crime.


    sxydrkhair> Hamas is only movement today fighting against Israel's illegal occupation/ blockade.

    So do you support them or condemn them?

    sxydrkhair> I don't agree what Hamas is doing and firing rockets.

    So why won't you condemn them for doing so?
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    Aug 22, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    It's funny to track pouncer's pattern of lies.

    Despite the plethora of evidence:
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    First he denied that Palestinian terrorists fired from densely populated areas.
    (Focusing on a couple cases where they didn't while ignoring others.)

    Then he claimed that it wasn't Hamas (his heroes), just other groups.

    Then he admitted that it happened but claimed - contrary to his HRW expert source - it didn't constitute Human Shielding.

    Then he tried hijacking the topic to be about Israel.


    More examples of how Palestinian Arab terrorists use and abuse their own civilians:

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    Aug 22, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    There he goes again, as if repeating his nattering nonsense (in contravention of his own expert source) makes him right.

    As if repeating his drivel, like a broken record, makes him right despite not being able to intelligently discuss issues and address questions posed to him:

    What makes firing rockets from a populated area a war crime - as per HRW, which you push as an expert source?

    Why does Hamas fire rockets from behind populated buildings?
    Why don't they fire rockets from open areas?

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    Aug 22, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
    Unable to address these key questions, pouncer is relegated to posting more of his nattering drivel.

    What makes firing rockets from a populated area a war crime?
    (As per HRW, which you say is an expert source.)

    Why does Hamas fire rockets from behind populated buildings?
    Why don't they fire rockets from open areas?

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    Jun 12, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    AyaTrollah/Propaganda pouncer> I can demonstrate so many flagrant cases of human shielding by the other side.

    Except that this only exposes his hypocrisy.
    None of the pictures which he spams support his claim.
    Some show individuals being arrested in a hostile environment, even under fire.

    The first picture almost has merit. The child on the hood of the police car was throwing rocks. He is being used as a "human shield" by the police confronting other rock throwers. But how can this be bad when propagandists like AyaTrollah pouncer claim that these "stones" are harmless?

    Let's even accept this was wrong.
    Is it in any way comparable to Hamas firing rockets from behind 1.5 million people?!

    Unable to address these key questions, pouncer is relegated to posting more of his nattering drivel.

    pp> Firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ Deliberately using civilians to deter attacks on military targets
    Violat[ing] the laws of war by firing rockets from within populated areas ≠ 'Human shielding'

    What makes firing rockets from a populated area a war crime?
    (As per HRW, which you say is an expert source.)

    Why does Hamas fire rockets from behind populated buildings?
    Why don't they fire rockets from open areas?

    If it's not for human shielding, why do they do it?
    Just for propaganda purposes?
    So (at best) useful idiots like you can cynically cry that Israel (inadvertently) killed innocent civilians?


    Why can't sxydrkhair, ianct, pouncer, tokugawa or the rest of the cheap propagandists bring themselves to condemn Hamas?

    Is it because they hate Jews/Israel more than they care for their 1.5 million brethren in Gaza?!