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    Jul 17, 2007 8:28 AM GMT
    />From: Rachelle
    Date: Jul 13, 2007 11:03 AM

    From: Doug
    Date: Jul 12, 2007 3:52 PM

    You stay up for 16 hours

    He stays up for days on end.


    You take a warm shower to help you wake up.

    He goes days or weeks without running water.


    You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.

    He gets shot at as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.


    You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up with your friends.

    He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.


    You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.

    He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.


    You talk trash about your "buddies" that aren't with you.

    He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.


    You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.

    He patrols the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.


    You complain about how hot it is.

    He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow.


    You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.

    He doesn't get to eat today.


    Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.

    He wears the same things for weeks, but makes sure his weapons are clean.


    You go to the mall and get your hair redone.

    He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.


    You're angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.

    He's told he will be held over an extra 2 months.


    You call your girlfriend and set a date for tonight.

    He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.


    You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.

    He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.


    You roll your eyes as a baby cries.

    He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.


    You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.

    He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own people and remembers why he is fighting.


    You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of men like him.

    He hears the gunfire, bombs and screams of the wounded.


    You see only what the media wants you to see.

    He sees the broke
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    Jul 17, 2007 2:02 PM GMT
    War represents failure between people to resolve their problems the civilized way. When short of logic arguments, one tunrs to violence and goes to war. But in this case, is the USA in Irak for the good reason ?

    I feel sad for all these soldiers from different countries and also for the civilians, who are caught between fires.

    Everybody have to silence their guns and start talking with an open mind and honesty otherwise, humanity will never learn and is condemned to her own extinction.

    That's my thought.
  • gymingit

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    Jul 17, 2007 4:28 PM GMT
    Man has been fighting from the day humans walked this planet. I understand the reasoning behind this war is in question, but I also have to remember the first one in the early 90's.

    Kwait needed our help, Congress would not allow our troops to follow Sadam back home and Sadam in turn killed THOUSANDS of his own people for the help they gave U.S. troops.

    WE DID NOTHING. I'm glad, we have the ability to help others even though some would say we have too much poverty, homeless and children starving in our own country, but that's our fault for electing those in Congress (Which the President doesn't have much control, except to inact what Congress brings before him/her {Go Hillary}).

    So, the people of Iraq need our help, the question we should be asking... DOES IRAQ WANT OUR HELP? If NOT, then get the Hell Out. But if they do, then we must stay.

    All that said, just as war and fighting, I wish there wasn't DRAMA in the world, but it's here and we have to deal with it. I wish not fighting was a simple solution as I do life without drama.

    "I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much." ~Mother Teresa

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    Jul 17, 2007 4:34 PM GMT
    angelboy0012---think about this.

    Please separate sympathy for the men and women who have been put in harms way, from using that sympathy in a manipulative way.

    I'm sure you meant well...but the fact of the matter is, each one of these people could have been home with their loved ones, if we were not in Iraq.

    This is an implicit attack on people who think that the war in Iraq was unnecessary, at least in the unilateral, unthoughtful, xenophobic and deceitful manner in which the Bush Administration structured it.

    It is just another way of attempting to stifle dissent about this war by making it seem that citizens who do not favor it, or thought we blundered into it for the wrong reasons and without the smallest iota of a plan, are unpatriotic.

    We don't have to wait for history to judge what a blunder this was. Even early supporters of this fatal miscalculation are abandoning support.

    It's a curious thing that the Bush Administration has successfully hypnotized otherwise intelligent people to confuse lack of suppport for this war, with lack of sympathy for the troops. I don't know a single person who does NOT support the war who also does NOT support the men and women who are forced to be there.
  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 17, 2007 4:39 PM GMT
    Agree with you,caporalpunition.When countries go to war,normal,civilized standards of behaviour go by the side;diplomacy has failed.Moral degradation tends to follow.Remember Abu Graith(?)I was brought up in a military family,and I know what it`s like when a war breaks out.I feel pretty sorry for all the foreign soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan,fighting an unpopular war.I also feel sad for the civilians of these countries;the size of their dead and injured.Did anyone ask them their opinion on this war,were they volunteers?I also remember what my father told me(an RAF sergeant):don`t volunteer for any military service if you`re not prepared for a fairly miserable existence,and no thanks for it on top!The only satisfaction you can hope for is the sense of a job well done,of having done your duty.Be very skeptical before you sign up for military service.It will be tough...
    If ever we needed a reason to find peaceful alternatives to war,then just look at present day Iraq and Afghanistan...
    Just a few of my thoughts these pictures bring forth...
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    Jul 17, 2007 5:46 PM GMT
    (To an above poster), Kuwait was a part of greater Mesopotamia until the British carved it up (that whole region in its current nation-state form was set up by European imperialists, actually). The first Gulf war was about oil too, only the fear was that Saddam would invade Saudi Arabia (and before you think the US was just "helping them" remember that the US sold arms to Iran (Iran-Contra Scandal)while selling chemical weapons to Iraq).

    As tragic as the above pictures are, we must still remember that the US crossed the Atlantic Ocean unprovoked to INVADE IRAQ. Whatever else you think about the US army, they (from the vantage of Iraqis) are still a neo-imperialist invasion. Would we cry if China invaded the US, set up prisons for torture, took over our industry, and killed directly/indirectly close to 1,000,000 citizens in three years? Hardly.

    War is a lose-lose situation for everyone in the long run. All I'm saying is, let's look at it honestly if we're gonna do it.
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    Jul 17, 2007 5:47 PM GMT
    Check out Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States will change your paradigms.
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    Jul 17, 2007 6:10 PM GMT
    I appreciate the post. I've seen it on other sites as well and in various forms of email.

    War in itself is immoral and an afront to everything we are taught. The decision to put us there will be debated for some time to come.

    However, as a soldier I will deploy with my unit next year and will do what is expected of me because I took an oath and will uphold that oath.

    However, I hold in contempt the politicians that started this war and how both sides will wrap themselves in the flag as they profess their support of the troops.

    You (Congress and the Administration) put us give us the means to do what we are trained to do or bring us home. Don't play with us or our families. Oh, and when we get better take care of us and our wounded...we've paid a huge price for your political games.

    Well...that probably went off topic. You can support the troops without supporting the war. Those that say otherwise are just wrong.

    Unfortunately a quick exit is not possible and we are going to be fighting this thing elsewhere anyways. The fanatics just want to kill anyone who doesn't believe as they do anyways.

  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 17, 2007 6:17 PM GMT
    You`re right about this,fastprof.Here in Great Britain,the government has quite cynically and unashamedly moved the goalposts on the reasons for our joining with the USA in this war.It began with "weapons of mass destruction".When they weren`t found,it moved to upholding UN authority.Now it`s about letting our troops finish the job!The effect is now if you disagree with the war,you`re undermining our troops and/or you`re unpatriotic.Which I greatly resent as these men and women are simply doing their duty!It`s the politicians in favour of this war that have let the soldiers/sailors/airmen down.
    Gymingit,sadly Iraq now needs us badly just when there`s talk here in Britain of getting out!They were actually better off before we decided to "help" them!Well,less worse off...
    I don`t know the situation in the USA,but in Britain all our military are volunteers,to some degree they must have known what war`s like.Maybe Iraq/Afghanistan have proved tougher than they thought they would.Which kind of brings me to the V word:Vietnam.Britain`s finally got one of our own!
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    Jul 17, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
    We will be there for years if Washington has its way (regardless of the administration) and the killing will continue on both sides of the Euphrates unless US citizens force an end. I won't hold my breath, not yet.

    I feel sorry for you Chuck, not because you're going into a killing field, but because there is no moral way for you to "complete the mission." I hope you don't lose too much of your spirit there (I say this as someone who has attended military funerals and knows men who served in Iraq)and make it back okay.
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    Jul 17, 2007 6:29 PM GMT
    Chuckmeister,you represent the best of the USA,the kind I grew up admiring...Contempt is not too strong a word for those politicians...I wish you the best in your service for your country.May you come home safe and sound.Hugs,John.
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    Jul 17, 2007 8:19 PM GMT
    Guys, Chuck is a man of integrity. He and I have had some really good talks about a number of things, and even though he may not have known it at the time, he has shown me his integrity again and again. He has been a support for me during difficult times. I hope that all of you will spread the word that one of our own, one of our best will be out there, and we need to support him and encourage him and his men. I know I will!
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    Jul 17, 2007 8:37 PM GMT
    You all are making me blush....

    Thanks for the comments and thoughts. I do appreciate them, as do everyone in uniform around the world. I think I can speak for them on that one.

    I reenlisted in the middle of a war. I knew that I would eventually pull the ticket to go to the unholy land. That being said...

    I do plan to come home in one piece! I am not dying for some crazy fanatic. If it comes down to me and him, I will send him to meet Allah and collect his Virgins. I don't want to pull that trigger.

    I don't want to kill him. I don't however want to die or attend the funeral of anyone that I am fighting with or leading.

    I've been to the Veterans Affairs hospitals. I've seen the troops in various forms of recovery, from the ICU's to the broken and missing limbs. Everyone at some point adopts a cause, mine is holding my government accountable for taking care of its fighting men and women.

    I'm probably taking this off topic. Sorry guys. I'll go pop open a cold beer and cool down now...better yet...a margarita sounds good.

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    Jul 17, 2007 8:44 PM GMT
    oooh margarita! Mmmm
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    Jul 18, 2007 3:23 PM GMT

    Just remember, it wasn't us who wanted to go to war, our rights were not threatened by Iraq. If we loose our 'rights' it'll be here in America and with our government. 9/11 was a ripple from an attack we performed more than a decade before. Where was your pride then?? Seems we can kill millions as long as it isn't ours. Suffice it to say the middle east has been at war with countries (and themselves) for pretty much the entirety of their existence. If they can ward off American infiltration and grow in power, they too can deal with their own lives. We base our humanity and our causes on our perception of how we perceive the world. We could never put ourselves in the minds of people who for hundreds of years experience life through different eyes than ourselves.

    So yes, I will consider our troops and I will respect and appreciate everything they've given up and continue to do so for the sake of what they think is right, but don't try to make us feel guilty when whats right for them isn't right for a lot of those who don't support this.
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    Jul 18, 2007 4:17 PM GMT
    Chuckmeister-you definitely have my admiration for your loyalty, dedication for what you do. I,too, see the effects of the war when the troops return home. My brother has been over twice now. I feel compelled to go myself and contribute directly to the mission.
    Policy makers are responsible for this mess. Our men and women are doing whats asked of them. For that you have my loyalty and support.
    Thank you.
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    Jul 18, 2007 10:56 PM GMT
    Thank you. I appreciate that.

    I went and ranted in another thread. Plus I'm out of margarita mix after last night.

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    Jul 18, 2007 11:02 PM GMT
    Thou shalt not kill
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    Jul 18, 2007 11:16 PM GMT
    Supporting the troops and being against the war are two different things. I hope thats not too hard for you to understand.
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    Jul 18, 2007 11:23 PM GMT
    War is not the answer...
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    Jul 19, 2007 12:37 AM GMT
    Personally, I found that advertisement/propoganda a bit redundant, and manipulative ...
    and keep in mind, I'm speaking of propaganda. About the soldiers - Let's manifest an end to this nonsense, get a new and better administration ...and let's bring 'em home.
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    Jul 24, 2007 2:10 PM GMT
    @angelboy: So because the soldiers have it tougher up there in Iraq we can't complain anymore? That's way to easy off course: When somebody gets under a bus and looses his legs he shouldn't complain because he is still alive? When a child looses his mother on cancer it shouldn't complain because he still has his father? Ever considered that all soldiers are volunteers and nobody forced them to join the army? Shall we talk aout the people that are living there that are wounded or killed and didn't had that choise? The childs that lost there parents? And for what? to give the americans a permanent militairy base in that region? It is disqusting in me opinion